10thPlanetKT
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1 hour ago, Rambo said:
Stop snitching
Chuck's funded more gyms in tycoon than guv'ment has funded abortions in downtrodden communities
he's mmatycoon's Escobar
mmatycoon's El Chapo
mmatycoon's Calvin Ayre
long live the dirty money.
Viva la Raza Chucknelo! I'm sure Mike will figure it out on his own behind the scenes. The economy was messed up way before this incident.
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Not sure how to respond to this one without anyone getting offended. But again, I hope this brings more attention to the fact that Syn is not a money printer and you are doing the best you can.
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50 minutes ago, Gator001 said:
I remember maybe a year + ago when a bunch of experienced players financed gyms in every city to help the game. What happened to all those gyms?
No incentive & or probably transitioned into semi private alliance only gyms is my guess.
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1 hour ago, Bynum said:
A user who wants to help the situation, and who doesn't own their own private gym (because one can't own more than one gym) could open a quality public gym, by reading the help files carefully and hiring coaches truly qualified to teach what they teach (they don't have to be Elite in secondary skills, just Elite in the primary and Remarkable or the like in the secondary (allowing you to afford more coaches without going over the total coach skill level cap)- and make sure they're Elite in the right discipline, which is shown clearly in the gym ownership help file.
Unfortunately, and this will be a reason some who might otherwise do it probably won't, the system will punish you for it, because second businesses cost VIP time, and gyms are among the more expensive ones that way. I wish Mike would art least make public gyms as a second business not cost VIP as long as they're truly public.
But if a user is willing to make sacrifices to make the game better- it's a significant sacrifice because of the VIP cost, but all it would take is 3-4 users doing it if they made the gyms good gyms, and the situation would become much better.
This. A second slot is long overdo. Especially for the new players that are just starting out. They want to know whether on not VIP is worth is or not. But if they are getting frustrated because they are still ranked low and don't have the money to afford the expensive fees of a private gym, they will just quit. This is part of the reason why there are always so many players online that quit the game not to long after. We have to look out for the newer players in this particular issue. It helps Mike as well because transitioning new players to a daily user increases the chances of them spending money on the game due to becoming a hardcore. I hope Mike looks at this. This is becoming a big problem.
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6 hours ago, HareRumpler said:
Is it though? Is it really? Or is it just that there are a crap-ton more multi's now given a complete and total blind eye has been turned to it and people don't care as much now that you can hold multiple companies yourself? My guess is there's a lot more multi's and that doesn't equate to more individual involvement.
Yes I have taken that into account. It is definitely a factor. However my theory is that there are still a lot of new users that spike the count that shortly thereafter quit the game because they don't understand how to do anything and don't feel like reading the forums to find out because it is not there style of game. MMA tycoon isn't an instant gratification type of game. Not all of them are multis.
In fact, there were multis two years ago as well. So I could use that same point for my argument as well.
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When I reached top 100 I only had a public gym but my mentor Tev Clark at the time gave me a million or so loan over a year. I was able to pretty uh reach top then in less then 15 months. It really does help. I also was given a supplement store to maintain at the time. But public gyms need to go or be upgraded to have more coaches then a private gym so that there isn't such a gap in training. 12 coaches for a public gym isn't enough.
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3 hours ago, KellyM5 said:
I agree with you and it's been an issue for a while. You need decent public gyms to retain new players, or like you said, the player base is going to shrink. It's hard to get ahead or even feel like you're advancing your fighters skills at all, with most of the public gyms. At this point, with the player base so low, I think the game would benefit with a boost to the Cozad gyms and actually make them a viable place to train fighters.
That is actually incorrect. The game has approximately 200 people more active then as of two years ago when I reached daily activity with this game.
As far as the pubic gyms issue I agree that private gym slots should be free at this point in the game because it is too inefficient and people often crowd the sessions.
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I always thought that ratings were fueled primarily by hype as well. Akoni Gray was ranked #1, and went undefeated for two years straight and was near max hype and popularity. He always had done good fighter ratings on the cards he headlines.
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Thanks to everyone who were involved in this thread. I think I have a much better idea on what the pros and cons of running a PPV org are. I think I will put my focus more towards graphics and writing then matchmaking and booking But if I do decide to stat an org, I will get two more experienced players to help me.
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21 hours ago, AlexManiatakos said:
As a former owner of Syn ,i assure you that Syn is NOT a money printer.... I always had to infuse money from the VIP exchange to keep the ship running... Competition with other PPV orgs was very high though and we had to overpay.
My most optimistic prediction is that Syn breaks even at the end of every month...
So it is quite like the situation with OWN Championship in real life then correct? That negative cash flow amount of $960 million is beyond ridiculous. But I believe that with this post there will be more managers that are more reasonable in regards to contract negotiations. You can only burn through money like an oil funded soccer team for so long.
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14 hours ago, Icon73 said:
1. I said the same thing but my alliance mates showed me screencaps of mike talking about tweaking it on the forums. Also I only run 2 shows a week mate. Only did 3 once. I do make money but not a money printer. Plus most of that just ends up going back into SB and arenas. SYN overall on the books has lost nearly 1 billion since its inception.
Also fighter hype was tweaked. Average hype for top fighters is lower than it used to be. The average syn event sells less because of this.
2. Okay fair enough, just needed to ask.
One billion is an unfathomable amount to lose over the years. I hope more managers in your org see this and stop being ridiculous ?
Odense, Hardcore, and Suckerpunch have the talent to make it there on there own. They are starting to peak though so I hope they go ID soon. Between fighters retiring super early people ragequitting the game to a bad loss, poaching, it is indeed difficult to maintain a quality roster.
What about the more rare organizational positions in MMA Tycoon? Why aren't there more quality writers, posters, and graphic designers? I would like to know the software used to make those creative images. Also, I'd like to know the process of making a good writeup for an event preview and review/keeping activity high in the fight org tab.
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2 hours ago, Icon73 said:
Stripping a champion would hurt the org only. We get a big hype hit. Nothing happens to the champion if you strip him though.
Yea I heard it was 10% or something like that. I don't mean just strip him. I mean drop him from the entire org and make an announcement. That is a way you could keep the contenders in line that nobody is safe.
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17 hours ago, Icon73 said:
Well if you have a big roster (200-300) you are doing anywhere from 2-4 events a week. That would be 1-2 hours for 1 weekend. Add the fact that you usually book 3-4 weeks ahead and you are talking 4-8 hours for booking starting from scratch and 1-2 hours ever week in maintenance.
Is all the other things surrounding it that are way more tedious and time consuming.
Main thing though that burns org owners out is all the different managers being extremely demanding and not understanding or empathetic. Lots of fight duckers. People demand huge salaries and People think we make money hand over fist even though most orgs lose money. So many other things to add but it would take too long.
The reason why most of the fighter base doesn't know what ya'll go through to upkeep the organization lol. Because experienced managers make it look easy to run a PPV over doesn't mean it is easy. t Having to pay someone a whole jet with upfront money and a million dollar contract because they are ranked 1-10 is expensive. Now imagine having an org of top 100 fighters thinking they are all obligated to that amount of money. That gives me an idea. Rarely, once every so often, ya'll an crack open the books like mentor did on a forum and go into detail about whether you are losing/ gaining money and what the financial outlook is. That way not every bozo asks for "McGregor money" like Dana White puts it.
The matchmaking issue is an issue fix. If a champ is too pussy to fight the #1 contender strip them. Champions shouldn't be denying fights lol. Eat the meat cut the fat. Make an example out of those that are sitting on a lead and just drop them from the org. Seems kind of radical but......... ?makes the world go around.
I remember mentor did a thread not to long ago about how PPV Promotions don't make as much money as you might think do to being in debt. When I find it later on in the week I'll make sure to post it here.
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26 minutes ago, Icon73 said:
Booking 1 event? 1 minute, maybe 2.
Matchmaking 1 card? Roughly 15-30 mins.
Event previews and reviews? 2-3 hours a week maybe more.
Contracts? 1-3 hours a week minimum if you are newer or in a fresh ID range. Me personally a half hour a week.
Hmm that is a lot faster than I thought. I would expect you to say something like 1-2 hours Especially mangers that have these mega rosters. So do you think the extreme rate is a burnout problem or a lack of interest?
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On 9/18/2021 at 11:46 AM, clydebankblitz said:
But that's kind of what I do? I'll make sure my cards are beneficial to the org. If someone isn't signing a contract extension I'll ask them why and at least to date, everyone's been up front as to why they're leaving (and it's very likely not about money). Logo design and stuff is cool but with so little gfx designers, you're better to just get someone to create it freelance. There's definitely some people that are going to be stronger than others but I think just knowing your company and your org, you'll know what fights to put on cards and you'll be able to come up with plans and send out contracts. If you are struggling for time, absolutely bring someone in to sort some of that, but as long as you are capable of doing it yourself and it's fun to, I don't think there's a benefit of having someone else in. All of that is essentially the fun of owning an org to me. Sure saying "Hey go book me a years worth of events on these days" would be nice but it takes me about 15 mins to do it once every 3 months or something.
This is very interesting. May I ask, how long does it take to do these specific organizational tasks if you do all of them in a day?
- event booking (really 15 minutes?) (that is pretty fast.........)
- matchmaking?
- booking?
- Posting event promos/reviews?
- contracts?
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Then in your particular case you could use a logistical manager that does the booking and creates the future outlook of the organization. There always needs to be that opposing right hand man that has the stones to say" This is the right fight an it is a competitive card but it doesn't sell and the rating will not break us to new heights at all,". This booked event's juice isn't worth the squeeze. Let me design a new card logo the ones we have now are getting stale. Let me make the announcement of a new signing & or tournament et cetera. Or even the logistical manager saying "this top fighter of ours is about to be poached," let's give him a real contract. No man is an island. Some of us are better than others in certain areas on this game for sure.
I think there is a function as far as signing older fighters that isn't being utilized nearly enough from my observation. Asking friends in your alliances that have former world beaters to compete with your top prospects in your ID organization is a good alternative to refilling the promotion during dry spells There should be at least 5 highly rated guys on those win streaks per division. I mean look no farther than Syn as an example.
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7 hours ago, bjornmma1 said:
As I have always said, the few org owners who have been around for years, are the real backbone of this game.
Without their commitment, there wouldn't be much at all on here.It speaks volumes for the state of the game that the owner is far less committed than the average player.
When the few veteran managers who keep things running fall away, it will be hard to get anything done.
If that happens, Hibernation Mike will have to rise (if he can bring himself to doing so) and start automatically ran orgs that need (virtually) zero input from the players. If that happens, then pretty much the last personal touch to the game will have disappeared and with that most of the active (small) user base.
But for now, I guess we should just be thankful for those who do commit to the game and not hope on any type of revival from him who should be....I think it is because of the logistics of making a new bout. It is never just making the right fight at the right time. From an outsider perspective booking a bout you have to make sure that it lines up with the incoming event so that it has a high event rating well, you don't overpay anyone, the flow from event to event is consistent. I used to get angry when I first time having to wait like a week just for the owner to book the damn a fight. Owners shouldn't have to do any matchmaking until it is the top 10 ranked fighters for a promotion in my opinion. Because the top fights will determine the ultimate direction of the org from the following org types; (NEW, Developing, Quality ID, to PPV.) I think these titles that we give for organizational roles. New players in alliances should be groomed by fellow org owners to be a matchmaker for load management purposes. There should be a "promoter" and a "matchmaker". Even Dana White has Sean Shelby. This is just my opinion and I have to do more research on the forums though so bear with me.
(Promoter): Creates and books new events, recruiting of new fighters, recruiting alliance members to help them manage the promotion maintaining and growing roster, logistics, breaking through the ID gap, creating forum activities for new events and ideas as Promoter.
(Matchmaker): Books all fights outside of the top 10, conflict resolution for managers declining fights, creating hyped fighters, dropping inactive fighters from rosters, running tournaments, being unbiased and creating a good reputation as a fair matchmaker.
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2 hours ago, bjornmma1 said:
As I have always said, the few org owners who have been around for years, are the real backbone of this game.
Without their commitment, there wouldn't be much at all on here.It speaks volumes for the state of the game that the owner is far less committed than the average player.
When the few veteran managers who keep things running fall away, it will be hard to get anything done.
If that happens, Hibernation Mike will have to rise (if he can bring himself to doing so) and start automatically ran orgs that need (virtually) zero input from the players. If that happens, then pretty much the last personal touch to the game will have disappeared and with that most of the active (small) user base.
But for now, I guess we should just be thankful for those who do commit to the game and not hope on any type of revival from him who should be....(Activity): The player base is actually higher than 2019 when I picked up this game full time. It is just most people that play this game only know how to fight. And those that are interested in the ownership side will eventually get overwhelmed by the day to day operations. At least 80-90% promo turnover are the numbers. It is only a matter of time and burnout. Now that may benefit those that run top 5 PPV orgs so that they can refill aging rosters, but when this is a similar issue with those that run top promos as well it makes you wonder. hat is why I made this thread in the first place. There is zero reason for us to have a 300-400+ more daily activity from the average user and maybe 2% of our current player base understand how to manage a successful fighter promotion. Just like how people are able to read up on the forums and in 6-12 months become a top 100 player. There should be that same information out there for ownership so that there can be more involved and less quality orgs go under or, an owner leaves there are 3-4 people that could easily take over because they were already involved in the first place.
(Sparbots): I think as far as the sparbots issue it is one with an easy fix. I think that all owners of these coveted top 200 PPV level fighters should at least be thoughtful and list their true statistics to the best of their ability in the description of the fighter. Especially the ones that has "cardio machine maxed" in the beginning and although they could have KO Power or a mix of high hiddens we will never know because we didn't watch every single bout listed on the fighter to find out. That way there would be less free agent farming and more players actually fighting out the contract with the elite at their peak before the heavily decline around the 35-40 years old. That way the only fighters that get converted into sparbots are actually the ones that have no value left or don't severely drain the pool of available fighters.
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Yea no offense taken. I could just look at the tale of the tape but it doesn't always "tell the story". I like fighters with high IQ fighters above all else. When stats, physicals, sliders, quality are equal an adapting fighter will gives me an edge to win when it is close and win by decision. If I find one with 20-30 bouts in with a PPV level fighter that I have never used and just want the money from in the past I was just lazy and took the money and changed it to a sparbots. It could be difficult determining their IQ or hiddens if they were maxed out from the beginning. Can't tell if they are a contender or pretender. It was less work that way. Also if they are declining and getting old that is yet another factor to decide whether or not they should continue or fighting or just take the easy way out. I think I have at least 4 former Syn fighters on my roster like that. But I'll definitely try to be more mindful of that this year.
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Sparbots are created at a drastically high rate because we have no idea what the fighters hidens are. So we just turn them into sparbots and take all the money that was left in the account by the previous manager. I'm guilty myself, half of my roster are just former top fighters from Syn that I turned into sparbots because I didn't know if they were any good so I just took the easy way out. Now I see why owners often offer new contracts for new owners to entice them to stay and fight once in awhile. But I always ignored them.
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Seems like an an extreme case of house of cards & competitive game theory! ?Will definitely come back to this post if need be in the future. I just find that owners are too hard on themselves as far as wanting to do everything. It leads to burnout time an time again. I have seen with my own two eyes or the last two years or so of me being active everyday. The guides for running an org are perhaps dated like you say.
Maybe if their was a thread under "fight organizations" for guys to share the good & the bad of daily operations it will make it seem like a less daunting task. Even me I have always wanted to be involved, but I am learning a whole nothing language studying abroad in university/self improvement that being an "owner" is not feasible. The booking, matchmaking, dealing with multis, ads, posters, competitive poaching, super fights, managing a large roster, it sounds like a headache just thinking about it. Wouldn't last a week. And I know many orgs have a family, relationship, and work full time and do all this shit as well. Way busier than me. I would however, be willing to take on one of these ownership roles if their was a guide well defining it and there is a support system of multiple admins running the org with a clearly defined role. I'm on here at least an hour daily anyway. So that the owner isn't overwhelmed by doing everything. There are over 900 people online right now which is higher than it has ever been (granted some are just multing).
Their should just be easier access to this information. I looked it up time and time again under guides but they are outdated. A little back in forth banter between top mangers, day to day operations, guides on how to do different jobs in orgs, will attract more people to help ya'll. Literally yesterday Chuck is looking to sell Catch Wrestling Championship. I'd rather not the only orgs that are functional are ID orgs that crumble after the next announcement of a new ID. It is trending towards that direction.
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Where have all the top 5 ppvs organizations are gone? PRIDE, PULSE & EMPIRE have gone extinct. GAMMA no longer has the huge roster it once had. HARDCORE also lost it's owner ?. It think there needs to be more guides on how to run and maintain and org. Because although being a owner might be fun in the beginning, it is not a job to do alone. Especially when many of us are grown and have jobs, families, responsibilities that are way more important than this game. However I firmly believe that if those who are starting to get annoyed with the day-day operations of an org had ore than just themselves to rely on to do everything and had 5-10 actual players helping them it would be more fun and orgs wouldn't have to close. There needs to be way more information on booking shows, matchmaking fights, designing logos, negotiating super fights, scaling a promotion, then one owner wouldn't have to do all of those on their own. I think I have a valid point but le me know what y'all think.
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We are in the same boat. There is so much rng in this game and "flavor text" it is so hard to tell what is in game mechanics and what is just for spice to make fights not seem the same. Like an flying knee is just a high kick.
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If that is the case and our fighters have to merge, could you please make start using 3x5 minute rounds? 3x3 minute rounds are too short and limits the amount of strategies that could be used in a bout.