Ganja Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Alright bros! I was arguing with my cousin on who would win the Dos Santos-Velasquez rematch. He kept saying the fight wouldn't go the same and Velasquez will be more aggressive, blah blah blah. It got me thinking about Dos Santos skills and what he would look like if he was a fighter here. I thought I'd be cool for everyone to pick their favorite fighter and rare them using tycoon stats. I'll also make my own p4p list, but we'll see how that goes. Anyways, I'll start with Dos Santos: Primaries: Elite Boxing Sensational Muay Thai Elite Wrestling Brown Belt in BJJ Secondaries: Elite Punches Sensational Kicks Wonderful Elbows Exceptional Knees Elite Striking Defense Strong Ground and Pound Exceptional Takedown Offense Elite Takedown Defense Sensational Submissions? (We haven't seen this yet) Elite Grappling Defense Physicals: Sensational Agility Sensational Flexilbilty Sensational Speed Elite Strength Exceptional Conditioning Elite Balance I know I'm probably off on a few of those! Tell me how you would rate your favorite fighters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Joe Lauzon: Primaries: Wonderful Boxing Remarkable Muay Thai Sensational Wrestling Black Belt in BJJ Secondaries: Exceptional Punches Superb Kicks Wonderful Elbows Superb Knees Elite Striking Defense Wonderful Ground and Pound Exceptional Takedown Offense Superb Takedown Defense Elite Submissions Elite Grappling Defense Physicals: Sensational Agility Elite Flexilbilty Sensational Speed Wonderful Strength Superb Conditioning Elite Balance Thats my opinion I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Man you're seriously overrating modern fighters' skill IMO JDS: Primaries: Exceptional Boxing ??? Muay Thai Remarkable Wrestling ??? BJJ Reasoning: I'm rating his boxing based on effectiveness, and not technique here. We've seen him throw like 3 kicks in the UFC and haven't really seen him work on the ground. His TDD is good and his TDs are decent. I know he has a brown belt under the Nogs, but seeing as there's a profound lack of data and that a black belt = ADCC champ in this game I wouldn't give him a game brown belt that easily. Secondaries: Sensational Punches ??? Kicks ??? Elbows ??? Knees Superb Striking Defense Wonderful Ground and Pound Strong Takedown Offense SensationalTakedown Defense ??? Submissions ??? Grappling Defense Reasoning: Again rating his punches based on effectiveness. There's no way in hell that JDS is an "elite" puncher, as much as I love the guy. He's hardly thrown any kicks, knees or elbows and he constantly leaves his hands down when standing. He gets by because his chin is ridiculous, not because he's James Toney. His GnP is pretty good and precise, and if he gets into a position to use it he'll usually mess you up. Strong takedowns based on that he took Carwin down a couple of times, but only after rattling his brain like 50 times first. His ground game is largely unknown. Also you forgot clinchwork. Physicals: Exceptional Agility ??? Flexilbilty Exceptional Speed ??? Strength Remarkable Conditioning Exceptional Balance Reasoning: JDS is obviously a physical freak, but I can't remember when we last saw him show any kind of flexibility and I have a hard time pinpointing his strength. He also tired in the Nelson and partially the Carwin fight (though that was after giving them both an unholy assbeating so this might be off). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganja Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Man you're seriously overrating modern fighters' skill IMO JDS: Primaries: Exceptional Boxing ??? Muay Thai Remarkable Wrestling ??? BJJ Reasoning: I'm rating his boxing based on effectiveness, and not technique here. We've seen him throw like 3 kicks in the UFC and haven't really seen him work on the ground. His TDD is good and his TDs are decent. I know he has a brown belt under the Nogs, but seeing as there's a profound lack of data and that a black belt = ADCC champ in this game I wouldn't give him a game brown belt that easily. Secondaries: Sensational Punches ??? Kicks ??? Elbows ??? Knees Superb Striking Defense Wonderful Ground and Pound Strong Takedown Offense SensationalTakedown Defense ??? Submissions ??? Grappling Defense Reasoning: Again rating his punches based on effectiveness. There's no way in hell that JDS is an "elite" puncher, as much as I love the guy. He's hardly thrown any kicks, knees or elbows and he constantly leaves his hands down when standing. He gets by because his chin is ridiculous, not because he's James Toney. His GnP is pretty good and precise, and if he gets into a position to use it he'll usually mess you up. Strong takedowns based on that he took Carwin down a couple of times, but only after rattling his brain like 50 times first. His ground game is largely unknown. Also you forgot clinchwork. Physicals: Exceptional Agility ??? Flexilbilty Exceptional Speed ??? Strength Remarkable Conditioning Exceptional Balance Reasoning: JDS is obviously a physical freak, but I can't remember when we last saw him show any kind of flexibility and I have a hard time pinpointing his strength. He also tired in the Nelson and partially the Carwin fight (though that was after giving them both an unholy assbeating so this might be off). Those are some good points. You have to conside that I was pretty high when I wrote this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganja Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Joe Lauzon: Primaries: Wonderful Boxing Remarkable Muay Thai Sensational Wrestling Black Belt in BJJ Secondaries: Exceptional Punches Superb Kicks Wonderful Elbows Superb Knees Elite Striking Defense Wonderful Ground and Pound Exceptional Takedown Offense Superb Takedown Defense Elite Submissions Elite Grappling Defense Physicals: Sensational Agility Elite Flexilbilty Sensational Speed Wonderful Strength Superb Conditioning Elite Balance Thats my opinion I could be wrong. I agree with that. Lauzon is a BJJ monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Lauzon having elite striking defense has to be some kind of cruel joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganja Posted November 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Lauzon having elite striking defense has to be some kind of cruel joke. I agreed with the BJJ part. He gets clipped in every fight. Most of the time he gets a comeback submission but that wasn't the case agaisnt Pettis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djohn Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Ya has JDS ever checced a kick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 elite boxing http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/ali-muhammad-22.jpgelite Muay thaihttp://www.muaythaisport.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/muaythaisportblog5-14-08buakawporpramuk-1.jpgelite wrestling http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0808/top.olympians/images/karelin.jpg elite BJJ http://www1.cdn.sherdog.com/image_crop/200/300/_images/fighter/1342297792rogergracie.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47 Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 does dos santos have any of those skills to be considered elite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 does dos santos have any of those skills to be considered elite I think these stats needs to be put down by have good their are using it in MMA and cant be compared to other sports like you showed. Then I also can say that Elite speed have got only Usain Bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 I think these stats needs to be put down by have good their are using it in MMA and cant be compared to other sports like you showed. Then I also can say that Elite speed have got only Usain Bolt. elite speed is focused on hand speed. plus it specifically says boxing muay thai wrestling,and I posted some elite for those category's . plus for black belt it says ADCC winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganja Posted November 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 elite boxing http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/ali-muhammad-22.jpgelite Muay thaihttp://www.muaythaisport.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/muaythaisportblog5-14-08buakawporpramuk-1.jpgelite wrestling http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0808/top.olympians/images/karelin.jpg elite BJJ http://www1.cdn.sherdog.com/image_crop/200/300/_images/fighter/1342297792rogergracie.JPG Those are good examples but I meant it as he's an Elite "MMA" boxer if that makes any sense. Of course Muhammed Ali could outbox him or Buakaw Banchamek clinch rape him. It depends on how the MMA fighter applies that martial art in the cage. I think Dos Santos is an Elite boxer in the cage, one of the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Those are good examples but I meant it as he's an Elite "MMA" boxer if that makes any sense. Of course Muhammed Ali could outbox him or Buakaw Banchamek clinch rape him. It depends on how the MMA fighter applies that martial art in the cage. I think Dos Santos is an Elite boxer in the cage, one of the best. all im trying to say with that is don't use the word elite so easily. its kinda disrespecting the actual elites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minark Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 all im trying to say with that is don't use the word elite so easily. its kinda disrespecting the actual elites Definitely disagree with this. Disrespect would be saying Ali was overrated and a terrible boxer. Saying JDS is an elite boxer is hardly disrespectful. And how is JDS not an actual athlete? You say it's disrespecting the actual athletes as if JDS isn't one. Doesn't even make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Those are good examples but I meant it as he's an Elite "MMA" boxer if that makes any sense. Of course Muhammed Ali could outbox him or Buakaw Banchamek clinch rape him. It depends on how the MMA fighter applies that martial art in the cage. I think Dos Santos is an Elite boxer in the cage, one of the best. He might be an elite puncher on a good day, but his striking defense is too sloppy for him to be considered an elite boxer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganja Posted November 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 all im trying to say with that is don't use the word elite so easily. its kinda disrespecting the actual elites Lol, I don't go calling every pro fighter elite. He's earned that title. Explain to me how he's not elite. The number 1 heavyweight in the world is not elite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganja Posted November 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Definitely disagree with this. Disrespect would be saying Ali was overrated and a terrible boxer. Saying JDS is an elite boxer is hardly disrespectful. And how is JDS not an actual athlete? You say it's disrespecting the actual athletes as if JDS isn't one. Doesn't even make sense. Yeah, I didn't get that one either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 elite speed is focused on hand speed. plus it specifically says boxing muay thai wrestling,and I posted some elite for those category's . plus for black belt it says ADCC winner. But you also cant compare them so easy. LIke boxing in mma and in boxing is very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Lol, I don't go calling every pro fighter elite. He's earned that title. Explain to me how he's not elite. The number 1 heavyweight in the world is not elite? he's not an elite boxer, muay thai ,wrestling ,or bjj fighter his defense isn't up too par for and elite boxer. his clinch is no where up to par for a elite muay thai specialist. wrestling hes good at takedown defense. He is not elite in any one category when it comes to technique. he does have elite athleticism i'll give him that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganja Posted November 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 he's not an elite boxer, muay thai ,wrestling ,or bjj fighter his defense isn't up too par for and elite boxer. his clinch is no where up to par for a elite muay thai specialist. wrestling hes good at takedown defense. He is not elite in any one category when it comes to technique. he does have elite athleticism i'll give him that Yeah, I'm done. Everyone else keep posting your favorite fighters and their Tycoon stats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 he's not an elite boxer, muay thai ,wrestling ,or bjj fighter his defense isn't up too par for and elite boxer. his clinch is no where up to par for a elite muay thai specialist. wrestling hes good at takedown defense. He is not elite in any one category when it comes to technique. he does have elite athleticism i'll give him that What was James Toney boxing skill in mma? If you ask me it was useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47 Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 What was James Toney boxing skill in mma? If you ask me it was useless. what was james toney wrestling an bjj in mma wait I forgot he didn't know wtf it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djohn Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 I don't think boxing in mma and boxing the sport are the same,but even if were just talking about boxing as applied to mma, JDS is not Elite. You may not agree with AK's stance but he's right: While I'd give JDS Elite rank in certain areas of boxing, wrestling, etc. His boxing defense is not Elite. Anything over Superb MT is absurd. Like I said he's never even checced a kicc that I can recall. That's the one thing that makes a fight with Overeem intriguing to me. If Frank Mir is landing a high % of kiccs on you, you have some work to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 what was james toney wrestling an bjj in mma wait I forgot he didn't know wtf it was You know what is the difference? Why does guys like JDS cant box at the same skill level in octagon that James in boxing? Because if he would cover up and attack the same why as James in boxing he would also be taken down and submited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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