Guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I'm trying to firgure this out. Say you have a fighter that has 100+ wrestling, wonderful defensive grappling, and good strength. What BJJ belts could he survive against on the ground from top position? For example, could the above build survive against a blue belt with wonderful subs or how about a purple belt with decent subs? And if not what belt level would he need to be to survive against higher belt levels. I recently tried to make the blue print for a somewhat dominant wrestler build. He has strong wrestling and a blue belt and wonderful defensive grappling. His STR is not where it needs to be though, ill have to work on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 There's no easy answer to this, not by a long shot. There's so many variables that it's impossible to know. Fighters experience comes in to play, physical aspects(good balance so you wont get swept), conditioning and there's also a great deal of randomness(luck) when it comes fight time. But if I'd have to say something, I'd have the wrester have at least two pops above whatever the BJJ guy has as main skill. And GnP from hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 The best answer I can think of is if your going against a good bjj guy you want really good takedown defence so that you dont have to even worry about his bjj. Thats my opinion anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeleeG Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Mya dvice would be to learn some stand-up too so that you don't have to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misfire200 Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 i have yet to find a way to have a gnp wrestler succeed against a bjj fighter, its much easier to just stand and knock them out, as the wrestler just gets outclassed on the ground, at least in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 There's no easy answer to this, not by a long shot. There's so many variables that it's impossible to know. Fighters experience comes in to play, physical aspects(good balance so you wont get swept), conditioning and there's also a great deal of randomness(luck) when it comes fight time. But if I'd have to say something, I'd have the wrester have at least two pops above whatever the BJJ guy has as main skill. And GnP from hell. ive been told balance doesnt effect ground game, can someone confirm that it does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplyput Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 ive been told balance doesnt effect ground game, can someone confirm that it does? Balance just has an affect on the fight going to the ground or remaining standing...also while in the clinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 funny you should bump this thread, i just beat a purple belt with strong wrestling on the ground with my remarkable/blue. I think i figured out the formula. I also have a wonderful/blue making his debut soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I just had a wonderful wrestler dominate a purple belt for 5 rounds. The fight was on the ground nearly the whole time and my guy attempted the only 2 subs. Basically I used good old lay 'n pray intermixed with a bit of ground 'n pound. Here's the fight: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=46759 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Purple Belt (My guy) vs. Brown Belt: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=18929 (GnP Win) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfu Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Passive tactics play a large role. GnP rarely finishes fights and if you GnP spam you're unlikely to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Passive tactics play a large role. GnP rarely finishes fights and if you GnP spam you're unlikely to win. I would love to test that theory and prove it wrong. I have a good wrestler with good GnP and KO power (according to tale of the tape). I hope that a quickfight puts him up against a white or blue belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jls.monster Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 GnP finishes are actually QUITE common in my fights. A strong wrestler can usually hang with a blue belt, I would say wrestling needs to be 30-40 points higher with decent def grap to be able to last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Passive tactics play a large role. GnP rarely finishes fights and if you GnP spam you're unlikely to win.Cocaine is a helluva drug. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=6364 Offense - Ground Strikes: 14.7 (10.1) 69% NOTE: This is his own fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 It's fun to make them tap to elbows in the face sub to strikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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