A Message to Nutrition Companies

[iloveme8]

If Rollins and HBK wanted to, they could bankrupt them all in three months.

[Guest]

I just find it interesting that the people complaining are those with 158-9 product out. But hey, let's continue.

 

The order limit of 2500/month and 3-day delivery for out of city rules prevent the "a few companies dominate everything" concern Rollins had. There are more companies now than there were three months ago.

 

The other argument (if prices were low before, no one would have released a 152) is certainly not true. How did Blitzkrieg release a 159 just recently? Prices are low now, but they released their product.

 

Moving costs up will not do anything but up the price. However, it'll still be cost + 10 wherever you go. And if you want to fix selling price too, well, it'll be a nice tycoon game then won't it? (Manage your own government-regulated public utility!)

 

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If Nonstop, Blitzkrieg, Gorilla, etc., really want to prove that the current situation is unacceptable there is an easy way to do it.

 

Lower all your prices to $10, and see what happens.

 

So we should all speed up the process of trying to eliminate companies by under valuing our products? Yeah that's what this thread is all about...glad to see you've got the point.

[Guest]

I think an anti price gouging/consumer protection rule should be placed into the game somewhere.

 

If your product is of X quality then the minimum you can offer it for is Y. This could be worked out through the community initially (like its being done right now) but this would prevent mavericks from jerking others around.

 

And to support the pricing/protection rule the level of quality should be clearly written, by the game not the owner, next to each product. In real life you have labels on the back of each product that tells you what is in it and how it's broken up. This would also prevent the "Oh come buy my 156++ product for 110++ prices!!" when in fact it's really 110

[j666]

anyone saying there's NOT a problem or WON'T be one if this continues...doesn't own a supp company or has a boner for awards.

[Grund]

So we should all speed up the process of trying to eliminate companies by under valuing our products? Yeah that's what this thread is all about...glad to see you've got the point.

 

If you want to prove your argument, you should. Prove the current system is flawed by destroying it. Otherwise it just sounds like you want to protect your current pricing and profit level.

 

Do it for one month. Do it for one day.

 

[j666]

If you want to prove your argument, you should. Prove the current system is flawed by destroying it. Otherwise it just sounds like you want to protect your current pricing and profit level.

 

Do it for one month. Do it for one day.

what company do u own grund? ur calling these guys out "on behalf" of all of us OTHER companies that would wiped out? fuck you.

 

EDIT: oh...i see...u got a bunch of guys sponsored by proof...the $20-156 guys. now i see where ur coming from. loooolz.

 

[SonnyMuchacho]

The problem really is simple to me: companies have reached the quality ceiling put in place by Mike while at the same time a price ceiling that DOES NOT LEAVE ROOM FOR TRUE COST OF PRODUCT.

 

My 3-2 fighter should not be able to afford the highest quality supps. He's simply not the highest quality fighter, nor will he ever be. 158's and 159's should not be within his reach.

 

The price ceiling needs to be lifted all together. instead of trying to pack different supps into a tight price range, let the 159's be sold for $1000. The would still sell enough to keep the millionaires filthy rich, while at the same time allowing lower, yet still decent quality supps a chance to sell for a decent price.

 

At the same time a minimum price needs to be implemented where a % of the research value would be the minimum price a supplement could be sold at.

 

 

 

And yes, I'm still selling my company, pm me with offers. Very reasonable price...

[Grund]

what company do u own grund? ur calling these guys out "on behalf" of all of us OTHER companies that would wiped out? fuck you.

 

Classy.

 

[Guest]

If you want to prove your argument, you should. Prove the current system is flawed by destroying it. Otherwise it just sounds like you want to protect your current pricing and profit level.

 

Do it for one month. Do it for one day.

 

Man if you can't see the flaw with competition/pricing the way it is, maybe read through the thread again and acknowledge the points that have been made...there are some good ones.

 

How do you figure I want to protect my current pricing and profit margin? You're the one cutting everyone's grass so you can compete. You think you made it to the top of the 7 day sales by being a solid upstanding businessman? I think it's because you feed everyone a line about caring for the little guy and screw the rest of the playing field by selling your stuff for peanuts. Low level fighters, 0-0 fighters, managers I've never heard of, guys that joined yesterday...all under sponsorship from White Gorilla Nutrition. That's how I care for the little guy. Let's review your sponsorship list...hmmm...Grund McGrunderson and a couple other managers sprinkled in for colour. Straight up man, I can't accept any argument from you, you're a fraud.

 

Feel free to add that quote on your company page big guy...right below Shiv's.

[j666]

Classy.

i never claimed to be classy. in fact i'm far from classy.

 

i'm real. i mean what i say and i say what i mean. why beat around the bush and act fake?

[Guest]

I see a lot of you criticizing companies that dont give away sponsorship, but you have to understand that it is sometimes impossible to do. I have opened a new nutritional comp. in St. Pete... have 46000 debt and only have one product of good quality. With trying to get any sales at all and pay back the loan it is impossible for me to give any sponsorships, even though I would love give back to once I get on m feet.

 

So in some circumstances like in mine, people should have that in mind.

[Guest]

I see a lot of you criticizing companies that dont give away sponsorship, but you have to understand that it is sometimes impossible to do. I have opened a new nutritional comp. in St. Pete... have 46000 debt and only have one product of good quality. With trying to get any sales at all and pay back the loan it is impossible for me to give any sponsorships, even though I would love give back to once I get on m feet.

 

So in some circumstances like in mine, people should have that in mind.

 

Your circumstances are a whole lot different than the guy I'm referring to...nobody is going to hate on you when you're up to your neck in debt, but legitimately trying to make a go of it. I'm glad you posted because coincidentally you are the type of business owner that will be most affected by the things we're talking about here.

 

[j666]

Your circumstances are a whole lot different than the guy I'm referring to...nobody is going to hate on you when you're up to your neck in debt, but legitimately trying to make a go of it. I'm glad you posted because coincidentally you are the type of business owner that will be most affected by the things we're talking about here.

[Grund]

Man if you can't see the flaw with competition/pricing the way it is, maybe read through the thread again and acknowledge the points that have been made...there are some good ones.

 

How do you figure I want to protect my current pricing and profit margin? You're the one cutting everyone's grass so you can compete. You think you made it to the top of the 7 day sales by being a solid upstanding businessman? I think it's because you feed everyone a line about caring for the little guy and screw the rest of the playing field by selling your stuff for peanuts. Low level fighters, 0-0 fighters, managers I've never heard of, guys that joined yesterday...all under sponsorship from White Gorilla Nutrition. That's how I care for the little guy. Let's review your sponsorship list...hmmm...Grund McGrunderson and a couple other managers sprinkled in for colour. Straight up man, I can't accept any argument from you, you're a fraud.

 

Feel free to add that quote on your company page big guy...right below Shiv's.

 

Ok, so you help fighters by giving them sponsorship cash. That's fine.

 

I help fighters by having them spend less cash. A lot of them are the same people you mention. Low level fighters, 0-0 fighters, and so on. Maybe they take your money and buy my product with it.

 

[Guest]

Ok, so you help fighters by giving them sponsorship cash. That's fine.

 

I help fighters by having them spend less cash. A lot of them are the same people you mention. Low level fighters, 0-0 fighters, and so on. Maybe they take your money and buy my product with it.

 

Yep. The people I sponsor throw out my freebees and spend their training money on an inferior product...I never thought of that...it makes perfect sense to me now. Another solid post from Grund McGrunderson.

 

[Guest]

Yep. The people I sponsor throw out my freebees and spend their training money on an inferior product...I never thought of that...it makes perfect sense to me now. Another solid post from Grund McGrunderson.

You do realize that isn't what he actually said?

 

You help out new players by giving sponsorships (which is probably primarily cash, but also freebies); he helps out the new players by providing them with 150+ rated products that don't cost an arm and a leg. Both are valid ways of trying to help out the new players. And some new players probably find his approach much more helpful simply because they don't know (and the majority don't appear to use the forums, so are unlikely to be able to find out) that they could PM you in game and perhaps receive a sponsorship which would include some freebies; however, they can easily find his products using the tools in the game.

 

I find it humorous that when Mike instituted the cap a lot of people complained that it was "SOCIALISM" and now we have some of the biggest supplement companies trying to prevent the free market from working. If someone wants to take 4-5 months before they are breaking even, that is their choice (and a lot closer to reality, although it is actually still much too fast given that real world companies can take many years to recoup their R&D costs of developing pharmaceutical products). He can only sell 2500 (? I think that's the limit Mike imposed) units per month, so those of you who want to make larger profits shouldn't really have much problem. As for new companies, the economy of MMATycoon has developed sufficiently that it really does require someone does the research and have a plan before they open any type of company. And the supp area specifically has developed to the point where it really doesn't make economic sense for anyone to be developing clearly inferior (say <130) products given how many places sell better products at reasonable prices. If going in you don't have a plan that will permit you to develop a quality product (whether that is your own manager funds or backing from others), you are likely to fail. But that is true for all of the companies in MMATycoonland. However, if people do the research, find what there is a demand for, where there is that demand, what it will take to meet that demand, and determine whether and how they can come up with the backing to fill that demand, they should still be able to open a company. Of course, there will always be a limit on just how much demand there is simply because there are only so many fighters in the game. At times it simply won't be wise to create any type of company because there simply isn't a need for the company. Perhaps right now is a time when it just doesn't make a lot of sense to open a supp company because there are already enough in the game to support the number of fighters in the world.

 

While I think the 2500 limit still needs some time to see just how it plays out, the idea of having restocking costs vary based on the quality level seems like a good next step. But the notion that store owners should be forced to set their prices at certain levels seems antithetical to the whole notion of a successful simulation game.

 

[Guest]

i think most people in the supp industry is running a legit and honest business. while grund's tactics may not be popular with the other supp co.'s, i don't see anything wrong with how he is running it. nobody complained before when he sold 130's and 151's for $20. is it bad for the other supp co.'s around? well let's just say i don't think he is in the business to help his competition thrive. the supp industry has already plateaued for sometime now because nothing above 159++ can be produced. it was only a matter of time until someone dropped prices on the 155-159++ supps. it was inevitable that these will be sold dirt cheap because of other supp co.'s catching up with the big boys. its competition, its business and its cut-throat. some will go out of business and some will somehow survive this.

 

now when the day comes that 160+ rated supps will be implemented. there will be only a few supp co.'s that will be able to afford the research due to the price wars and low-balling. so... supp prices goes back to "normal". the big boys takes back control, the little guys will try to catchup with the big boys and the race to produce the highest rated supps continues.

 

to the new guy thinking about opening a supp co.? mike didn't put the guide/discretion below on the "Start new company" page for nothing. if a guy wants to setup a supp co. now. he couldn't have picked the worst time to do it.

 

READ THIS GUIDE BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT SETTING UP A COMPANY!

 

The world of MMA Tycoon is functioning just fine without the company you plan to set up. If you create a company, it is in no way guaranteed to succeed! In fact, somebody is already doing exactly what you plan to do and is probably doing it quite well.

[j666]

i think most people in the supp industry is running a legit and honest business. while grund's tactics may not be popular with the other supp co.'s, i don't see anything wrong with how he is running it. nobody complained before when he sold 130's and 151's for $20. is it bad for the other supp co.'s around? well let's just say i don't think he is in the business to help his competition thrive. the supp industry has already plateaued for sometime now because nothing above 159++ can be produced. it was only a matter of time until someone dropped prices on the 155-159++ supps. it was inevitable that these will be sold dirt cheap because of other supp co.'s catching up with the big boys. its competition, its business and its cut-throat. some will go out of business and some will somehow survive this.

 

now when the day comes that 160+ rated supps will be implemented. there will be only a few supp co.'s that will be able to afford the research due to the price wars and low-balling. so... supp prices goes back to "normal". the big boys takes back control, the little guys will try to catchup with the big boys and the race to produce the highest rated supps continues.

 

to the new guy thinking about opening a supp co.? mike didn't put the guide/discretion below on the "Start new company" page for nothing. if a guy wants to setup a supp co. now. he couldn't have picked the worst time to do it.

rollins said this same thing when the cap was implemented...and it looks to be coming true soon.

[Guest]

Okay see, first up, 100 quality supps will always be priced low. Hell, 130-145 quality will always be like $10 or $20 or something.

 

Secondly, just think of this scenario. Say you have 10 supp companies right now who can provide top supps.

 

If one starts selling 156 for $20, he makes like 40-50k a week depending on other costs. That means he takes about 4 months to break even. Due to the general nature of things, his competitors will also end up doing the same. That basically means everything will become really cheap! But where's the downside? Here's the problem. If people earn that little, they'll never be able to get the next level of supps. If HBK/Rollins had kept the prices at $20 or even $50 back then, you would never have seen 152. Then subsequently, you would never have seen 156 or 159. What will happen is that supps will have no returns and no advancement and most of the big companies will close and newer companies won't be able to afford the research for good supps anyway.

 

So thats why, at every point in the game, supps should be priced right. Obviously, these are just my opinions and obviously, competition SHOULD exist by the way of sales or prices just a little lower/higher than others and all that. At this point I personally would give the rough prices at something like:

 

159 - $300

158 - $225

156 - $150

 

... and so on.

 

Now, if someone released 160, everything should go a level down, just to maintain the balance in the game.

 

I hope you get the gist of what I was saying.

 

 

OK, so I am a new Nutrition Company Owner (Bio-Tech Industries, NY) all I can afford to develop right now on my budget is products around the 150-151 quality, so if I sell my products at a fair price , say 55-85$ I will be creating a market for the people with fighters in that target budget area, let's face it, not all managers can afford 300$ supplements, and I think the smart managers know that, you have to work your way up the ladder, fighter wise, budget wise and, common sense wise ! I think every product has it's place as far as quality goes, The top fighters have signed contracts that allow them to buy the top products, IMO, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a matter of finding a fair price for each quality level and getting on board with it, once that has been set, it will be up to the managers of nutrition companies to figure out new ways of selling their products that will separate the men from the boys! when it comes down to it, if you don't wanna do the work, you won't be sucessful!

 

http://mmatycoon.com/nutritionpublic.php?ncid=1459

[lcbarros]

Products with high quality and that prices are "cheap" are fraud. The operation is simple math, and it is therefore impossible to sell a product of superior quality for the price of a junk.

I doubt that these people selling $ 7 156 for showing the quality of the product.