Guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 16 managers have been training their new fighters for 10 weeks and this week they will go to battle as they attempt to be crowned the first ever VFC Project Fighter winner. There are some high quality fighters in the competition and it is going to be very entertaining. http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8639 Here's how the betting will work. Pick who you want to win and send your stake to fighter 61442 - PM me ingame or simply post in this thread once you have sent the money. I will list all bets in this thread. If your selection wins I will send your winnings to any fighter you wish. You can stake anything between $100 and $2000 - if you want a larger bet mail me first so we can discuss. Don't worry, I'm trustworthy and will honour all bets, I also own Vicious Bets in London. Prices Kareem al Rashid - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57572 - 3/1 Vic Rains - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57948 - 11/4 Jimmy Boy - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57159 - 9/2 Anfri Bythell - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57306 - 5/1 Don Opas - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57448 - 6/1 Dell Trotter - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57309 - 15/2 Mr Scarlett - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57293 - 7/1 Kingdom Brunell - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57726 - 15/2 Mike Barnes - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57200 - 9/2 Jason Selezniak - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57291 - 6/1 Steven Mann - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57289 - 7/1 League Hett - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57573 - 8/1 Niilo Niputtaja - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57180 - 13/2 Michael Tycin - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57202 - 7/1 Sledge Hammer - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=58595 - 8/1 Dalton Little - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=57272 - 16/1 Decimal Prices Rains 3.75 al Rashid 4.0 Boy 5.5 Barnes 5.5 Bythell 6.0 Opas 7.0 Selezniak 7.0 Niputtaja 7.5 Scarlett 8.0 Mann 8.0 Tycin 8.0 Brunell 8.5 Trotter 8.5 Hett 9.0 Hammer 9.0 Little 17.0 Bets juvesteve - $200 Steven Mann WIN @ 7/1 MrCee - $500 Niilo Niputtaja WIN @ 7/1 NoX81 - $500 Mike Barnes WIN @ 6/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 cool idea, allow me to study the fighters and I'll get back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I've put $200 on Steven Mann =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 5k on rains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCee Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Rains and Rashid look like killers in the front, but how are they're secondaries? And 500 for Niputtaja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Couple of bets taken so far, keep them coming please. Austin, you really want $5k on Rains? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 yes scotty, but ill settle for 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 OK I'll have a punt on Barnes at $500 - money sent! I love a bet and while i would not look past the two favourites im going with an outsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 So what do the numbers next to the names mean? ie. Vic Rain 3/1??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 So what do the numbers next to the names mean? ie. Vic Rain 3/1??? That is the British (or fraction) way of expressing odds. It means for every pound (or tycoon dollar in this case) you put down, if you win you get 3 (and your bet) back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 So what do the numbers next to the names mean? ie. Vic Rain 3/1??? So bet 2k on Rains, and you're guranteed 6k when he wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 That is the British (or fraction) way of expressing odds. It means for every pound (or tycoon dollar in this case) you put down, if you win you get 3 (and your bet) back. Why can't people just adopt to the world-wide form of decimals... At least it ain't the american way of + this and - that... But thanks for the explanation. Edit: Ok so looking at the odds again... I'm thinking this system is even more stupid than I first thought. Not only does one need to consider one number but also a secondary which is money put in. Meaning it's not scalable to account for any set input... For example Vic and Al-Rashad would with the non british/american system be: x*3 where x is the amount of money you bet... So only one variable. For Jimmy the odds are now 9/2 which has to be transformed to a decimal by actually doing the match so x*4,5... now dosen't that both look and sound closer than 3/1 vs 9/2? OFC with simple bets like these anyone can just do the calculation in their head... But why add in a second variable? Just keep it with the /1 and then at least all you have to do us divide by 1 on both sides (sort of making the whole system a bit stupid) Or perhaps it's me and it's late and I'm not getting it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBerry Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 decimals and franctions are both used in the uk, i haven't got a clue about the + - shit the americans use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 decimals and franctions are both used in the uk, i haven't got a clue about the + - shit the americans use I actually bothered with looking it up once... it's the amount you win if you place 100 or the amount you need to place to win 100 (depending on the + or -). so a +300 means you put in 100 and get 300 back. -200 means you put in 200 and get 300 back... they could have just written 3 and 1,5 But then again. NO! Edit: Wrong numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Small changes to the prices after tonight's event. Have also added the decimal prices to the opening post to help sort confusion and attract more bets. Austin still no stake received from you and Rains' price has been clipped a touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks for that. I will wait one more round, to see who was a fluke or not... + If Jimmys odds keep on rising I guess I should do the "vote of confidence" and play a few bucks on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Why can't people just adopt to the world-wide form of decimals... At least it ain't the american way of + this and - that... But thanks for the explanation. Edit: Ok so looking at the odds again... I'm thinking this system is even more stupid than I first thought. Not only does one need to consider one number but also a secondary which is money put in. Meaning it's not scalable to account for any set input... For example Vic and Al-Rashad would with the non british/american system be: x*3 where x is the amount of money you bet... So only one variable. For Jimmy the odds are now 9/2 which has to be transformed to a decimal by actually doing the match so x*4,5... now dosen't that both look and sound closer than 3/1 vs 9/2? OFC with simple bets like these anyone can just do the calculation in their head... But why add in a second variable? Just keep it with the /1 and then at least all you have to do us divide by 1 on both sides (sort of making the whole system a bit stupid) Or perhaps it's me and it's late and I'm not getting it right. For those who work in fractions it is not such a problem. The European system works but the American system is incomprehensible to me. I know someone who did their masters betting and gambling from Mesopotamia (or known as theoretical implementation of lines on stones) through to the Roman Empire. Odds in Roman numerals are fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBerry Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 evens 1.00 11/10 1.10 6/5 1.20 5/4 1.25 11/8 1.38 6/4 1.50 13/8 1.63 7/4 1. 75 15/8 1.86 2/1 2 5/2 2.5 11/4 2.75 3/1 3 10/3 3.33 7/2 3.5 4/1 4 9/2 4.5 5/1 5 11/2 5.5 6/1 6 13/2 6.5 and so on....... I used to work on the race course for a bookie for 4 years just after i left school as a runner(tic tac) and everyone "oncourse" uses franctions, after a while i started working in the office and put on betfair and i was on the phone to my boss all day telling him the prices from betfair. Betfair is decimal however you add a point to every price so for instance 2/1=2.0=3.0 and 6/5=1.20=2.20 and as far as i know all other websites that use decimal odds do the same thing. It's easy to quickly work it out for me, however i know a lot of people won't understand the reason for adding the extra point. For that reason Franctions are better in my eyes. Oh and i didn't add a point to the decimals on the table at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 More bets on the winner of this please, all details in the opening post. Small preview of tomorrow's fights below. Prices in OP are available until 5:30pm tomorrow. Please post your bet in this thread as well as sending the money. Vicious Fighting Championships Project Fighter - Preview Group A started just as most predicted with Vic Rains showing up impressively to beat Mr Scarlett within the distance to secure the full three points and he leads the way in the group standings. Rains will go into this fight knowing another stoppage will secure his place in the knockout stages of the Project Fighter Tournament, with a decision victory also likely to be enough. He faces Jason Selezniak tomorrow night and "The Mauler" also won his first fight taking a close decision victory over Dell Trotter. Scarlett, Trotter and Selezniak all have very similar builds so by taking out Scarlett in his first fight Rains should be able to handle the other two with similar ease. The second qualifying place looks up for grabs and both Scarlett and Trotter are in a must win situation tomorrow as they take on each other. With so similar builds it is hard to pick a winner but both fighters know that winning within the 15 minutes could be key to their qualification from Group A. The early favourite for Group B was Jimmy Boy and he started the tournament in decent fashion by outpointing Steven Mann in a close bout - a result which could be vital to his ambitions of topping the group. Boy will take on Niilo "Nipa" Niputtaja in his second fight and Niputtaja also secured two points in his opening match with his decision victory over League Hett. Whilst Boy brings a Muay Thai base into the fight, "Nipa" is a ground fighter who will look to avoid standing and trading with Boy at all costs - this should result in an interesting fight with the winner knowing that their place in the quarter-final is all but secured. The other fight sees the two losers from the first batch of fights go head-to-head as Mann and Hett lock horns knowing that a win is a necessity! On paper it looks a close match up with Mann looking to have a very slight edge. Early indications are that Group C could well be the closest of all four groups. Don Opas was the initial favourite to qualify from the group in first place but he now faces a battle after losing his first fight when Mike Barnes absolutely dominated him with much superior striking. Barnes should be able to use that striking to defeat Dalton Little who will want no part of the striking fight and will look to drag Barnes to the ground but Barnes possesses superior wrestling and this fight looks ready made for his second win, this time possibly by KO. Opas must win tomorrow night and he faces a man who beat Little on points last time out in the form of Michael Tycin. Tycin dominated Little with some precise kicking and a fight against Opas should be a real cracker. Only two men secured maximum points in the first round of fights, one being Vic Rains and the other "The Desert Storm" Kareem al Rashid fights in Group D. Kareem al Rashid was simply too good for late replacement Sledge Hammer when it took only 42 seconds for the fight to end. This time out he faces a much trickier prospect in the shape of Welshman Anfri Bythell who too won his first fight when he displayed some surprisingly good striking to beat Kingdom Brunell convincingly. al Rashid is still the clear favourite over Bythell but rule out the shock as Bythell knows a win basically secures his place in the next round. Hammer has had more time to prepare for his second fight and must fancy his chances against Brunell who didn't show up well in his first fight, Hammer must know if he can let his fists do the talking the 3 points could be up for grabs. Brunell must use his wrestling more intelligently in this fight if he wants to take the W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 al Rashid vs Bythell will be the biggest fight of the group stages. Time to test some Welsh chin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 My stake on Barnes is shaping up ok after the first fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Bumping this, im one fight away from my bet coming in! Further to explaining Fractional odds here is one way of looking at it and relating it to decimal odds: "What are the odds of something happening? If you choose a card at random from a standard pack (13 cards of 4 suits, no jokers), what are the chances of selecting a diamond? There are 13 diamonds and 52 cards. So the chance of choosing a diamond is 13 chances out of 52 ie 1 in 4. The easiest way to show this is as a FRACTION ie 1 / 4 - there are four possible outcomes and only 1 of them is a winner. Another way to show this is as a PROBABILITY. Probability ranges from 0 (impossible) to 1 (certain). The card bet above would be shown as 0.25." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerpetal Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 $300 on Mike Barnes to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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