AlexiZaitev Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I think Ventura has proven he is really good, but thats a good point. Would like to see Ventura get another top opponent like Melton Senior. Its not your fault though Alexi, Im just stating. Maybe a matchup with Kally soon? I fight whoever is in front of me, if Immortal's thinks Kally deserves a shot I will fight him, if they think Melton deserves a rematch I will fight Melton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunts Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 ya, i have literally nothing to say about wunderkinds fight, it was sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Congratulation, Wellman. Im proud of you. Thanks Mike. I'm just happy I won because all of Phoenix's hiddens are awful lol even though his primaries are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJanne Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 , if Immortal's thinks Kally deserves a shot I will fight him, That is quite a funny way to put it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 That is quite a funny way to put it... Uh oh. I'm putting money on Kally though. Who wants to make a 50k bet with me if it happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I try not to bet on my fighters given that unless I am in character, I have no confidence in my slider skills at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Kalashnikov is a heavyweight and Ventura is a Light-heavyweight at best. I see no reason to make that fight happen and if Ventura was my fighter I would flat out refuse to fight a guy that much bigger than my fighter. There is nothing to gain. I don't like the open weight thing. Someone always ends up crying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Shrugs, if thats who Immortals wants me to fight, I'll fight them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Well if its gunna be a big deal have him face young blood 19 times then cuz their is no one else who matches up besides melton senior, youngblood, and maybe 1 or 2 185ers. Who is there? Randy couture and hendo faced guys way bigger than them and didn't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Well if its gunna be a big deal have him face young blood 19 times then cuz their is no one else who matches up besides melton senior, youngblood, and maybe 1 or 2 185ers. Who is there? Randy couture and hendo faced guys way bigger than them and didn't complain. I would take the fight size doesnt really matter, Ventura COULD fight at heavyweight given his height and reach. So its up to INY management as to who Ventura fights next, whoever they put in front of me I will fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imfromhoiland Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Uh oh. I'm putting money on Kally though. Who wants to make a 50k bet with me if it happens? Looks like we have a real Mitt Romney over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I would take the fight size doesnt really matter, Ventura COULD fight at heavyweight given his height and reach. So its up to INY management as to who Ventura fights next, whoever they put in front of me I will fight. See thats what I like to see. Youngblood versus Ventura, and if Ventura wins then he gets Kally. Why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'd be down, but its up to Steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Remember, I have no official status here anymore. I was merely stating my opinion. If Kalashnikov was sent the offer and Ventura accepted it then what do I care? I was simply stating that there seems little to gain for either fighter except perhaps bragging rights. That said though here is the problems for it as I see it. For Kalashnikov he faces a world title holder with no chance of actually winning that title. He cannot make weight at 185 (where Ventura holds the title) and so cannot win that title (he would cause a no contest by the rules of MMATycoon since he cannot make weight). SO since winning the title is out of the question that means that all he can win really is a paycheck and bragging rights. But bragging rights for beating a significantly smaller fighter are negligible. Some would even argue that it becomes more of a blemish than an accomplishment. There are certainly people out there that would call Kalashnikov a bully for beating up a Middleweight fighter instead of sticking to guys his own size. And there is something to that. Kalashnikov has brutal KO power and tremendous Strength (probably Elite). This only gets magnified when you throw him in against a significantly smaller opponent. It's the whole point of cutting weight to a lighter weight class. The heavier fighter might technically be easier to knock out now due to less fluid around the brain and therefore less protection, but he is also much stronger than a smaller fighter. This is straight from the Wiki. So an Elite Strength Striker with very high KO hidden against a skilled but far smaller opponent means the deck is certainly stacked against Ventura. For Ventura he stands to gain a ton. He would be able to win the Heavyweight title since he can fight in that weight class without forcing a NC even if he is under the weight limit since the rules are that you can fight under the weight limit, but not over it. So Venture gets a paycheck, a win over a much larger (arguably more dangerous) opponent, and the Heavyweight title. In other words everything to gain and nothing to lose. Kalashnikov has everything to lose and nothing to gain. To top it off Even if Ventura loses, people will just say, "oh... yeah, but he fought that huge guy". I said I would not take that fight, but I should specify and amend that I would not take that fight if I was the larger fighter. There is nothing to gain from it and everything to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I am just speaking from my perspective, honestly, as a fellow org owner, the fight that makes the most sense (besides a rematch with Melton Sr.) is a fight with Youngblood since 205 was Ventura's original weight class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I am just speaking from my perspective, honestly, as a fellow org owner, the fight that makes the most sense (besides a rematch with Melton Sr.) is a fight with Youngblood since 205 was Ventura's original weight class. I totally agree that Youngblood or Melton Sr. are the best choices for your fighter. Kalashnikov is a bad choice though. Well, bad for Kally, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I am just speaking from my perspective, honestly, as a fellow org owner, the fight that makes the most sense (besides a rematch with Melton Sr.) is a fight with Youngblood since 205 was Ventura's original weight class. I agree that a fight with Youngblood would obviously come first lol, but why not a fight with Kally after... Why not. Fighting the best and losing is better than not fighting the best and continuing to win sometimes, plus Ventura would keep the 185 belt and if he were to beat Youngblood he'd have 2 belts he can't lose. (If Kally is that good why wouldn't he take the fight too just for the bragging rights of saying he beat a good fighter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Did you even read my post? The fight is terrible for Kally... he gains nothing and risks all. Again if Kalashnikov accepts that fight, that's on him, but I would never take that fight. The chance of losing is to great and then you lose all. The chance of winning is much greater, but he gains nothing from that win. Not even bragging rights because he will have beat up a smaller guy and that just makes him look like a bully. Nothing to gain from it, but everything to lose are the types of situations that as a manager you should seek to avoid for your fighters. Nikil should have never taken the fight against Maxim Simmons, for example. Simmons was ranked too low due to him not having fought to many times before and having low hype. But his stats were God-like. It was a lose-lose situation for me. A win would not have boosted me that much and a loss... well... it dropped him forever out of the title hunt. The Shavo Odin fight was a much better fight in terms of hype if I could pull out the win, but I was not able to do so. But I didn't have as much of a problem with that fight because it made better sence than taking a fight against such a lower ranked opponent as Simmons. It didn't hurt me as bad as the Simmons fight. It is for similar reasons that Kally should not take a fight with Ventura. If he looses the fight he looses his title, a shitload of hype and looks like a punk. If he wins he gains some hype sure, but doesn't gain the title since he cannot make weight and there are no bragging rights for beating up a little guy. This is my opinion, but my logic is accurate. If I were in Kally's shoes... I would decline the fight. And as you all know I have never declined a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 INY FN 29 Musings Fight Night 29 saw the first defense for Ventura of his 185lb title against a poorly prepared former champion, and the Immortals fans were subjected to 5 round Muay Thai exhibition. Why Ventura didn’t have the confidence to put away an over trained and de-motivated foe is the burning question? Surely demolishing a former champion would have led to calls for the Aquino fight, but Ventura opted to protect his championship and take a points decision. Does Ventura have enough poke in his punches to test a Youngblood or Aquino, and any talk of him facing the ‘God of War’ this year is just that, talk, speculation and fantasy. So who next for the champ? Melton Snr has a fight booked against Harmsworthy on November 21, and Meyers faces Rook the same night. Either winner of these fights will carry the momentum and tools to feel worthy of a title shot. The one stumbling block is Rook, who will leave the organization after the Meyers fight. So it comes down to who looks the most impressive, can one of these guys put their opponent away in style, and literally beat the door down for that title shot? One thing is for sure, Ventura intends keeping that title for a long time, he is sharp accurate and takes no risks, so someone is going to have to rip that belt from him. At 170 Kharmalov and Monroe shared the spoils and neither shone in a technical fight, so though they are both highly skilled neither took the opportunity to secure the title shot. Fear of losing is preventing talented fighters from progressing. The Youngblood v Turner title fight is one of few fights in recent times when two champions stood and traded bombs knowing that either of them could fall, one did and what an awesome 2 minutes. We need more of this excitement. More fighters to take the attitude of someone like Corey Smith, Abdullah, Washington and Kaleshnikov. At 145 Norris dispatched Ankutse in 2 to become the number one contender and then declined a new contract electing to take his skills to the open market. Though understandable, on the back of Shields going inactive and being stripped, the 145 division needs and deserves a committed champion. Jackson and Gallagher meet next week with the winner (assuming contract negotiations are successful) fighting Washington for the vacant title. At 205 Winnfield got his career back on track and looks a future opponent for Youngblood, and at 155 young Khan out pointed Falcao who then left the Steel camp. Tiberio Celentano also departed the INY this week after another KO loss, this time to Wellman fighter Phoenix. How much more punishment will Wright allow Tiberio to take? Wright much like Bruno Falcone treats his fighter like a son and find it difficult to tell their charges, enough is a enough man, your done. Tiberio, son, your done, jack it in. All the best INY fans. Richie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Posted November 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 INY 42 Kalashnikov vs Jackson 265 World Title Fight Kalashnikov vs Jackson Muay Thai destroyer Kalashnikov is on a 3 fight winning streak and devastated Hall of Famer and former champ Styles last time out. In fact ‘The God of War’ has beaten the Styles brothers in consecutive fights in just 4 minutes and 3 secs combined. With the 265 division short of guys coming off a win coupled with the credentials to be able to hang with the champ, up stepped Curtis Jackson as the sacrificial lamb. Jackson looks well rounded, and brings a 6-1 record but he hasn’t beaten anyone of note and has been beaten by a fellow journeyman. Jackson is likely to be brave and carry the fight to Kalashnikov, but the champ is a different class in the striking department and Jackson will fall in brutal fashion. The real question is whether there is anyone else at 265 with the balls to take on the champ? There has been talk in the Immortals fight community of 185 champ Ventura stepping up two weight divisions, but this will remain just talk as the Immortals CEO has no intention of making this fight. The Immortals Casino has Kalashnikov as a certainty to retain the title. 170lb Division Haley vs St Pierre Haley is 4-1 (1-1 in the Immortals) and needs a big win, having lost to Don Stewart on the only occasion he has stepped up in class. He looks the real deal, with sensational wrestling, decent boxing and an effective clinch attack complementing a granite chin. Standing in his way is former two org World Champion George St Pierre. St Pierre holds a decision win over 155lb number one contender Huxley, a submission win over Don Stewart, and was the first man to defeat Tari ‘Anaconda’ Cunha to claim the INY 170lb World Title. However no sooner was he champ than his management team were linked to human trafficking and narcotics, and GSP then lost the title in one of the most thrilling back from the dead KO’s in MMA history. GSP was KO’d with 1 second left in the fifth round, with 4 rounds already banked. A defeat to new and present INY 155 champ Glenn Wauler followed, and GSP disappeared from MMA disillusioned and tied to a management company than had lost interest in MMA. So Haley vs St Pierre, the winner emerges as a force in a stacked 170lb division. Can Haley hang with the big boys? What has GSP got left? I’m backing Haley to utilize his clinch game and test the suspect chin of GSP and force a late stoppage, but if the GSP that beat Cunha and Stewart shows up Haley has a war on his hands. The Immortals Casino has Haley as a slight favorite, but it’s a close call. 155lb Division - Devaney vs Zavier Granite chinned boxer, Devaney is 7-3-1 has KO power when facing lower ranked fighters and has won his last two fights. Zavier also looks to be a boxer with great takedown defense which won’t be required here. Zavier is coming off a close but still impressive points victory over former title contender Kasem Muang. Zavier is super confident, manager Assasi believes Zavier will be the champ and is already enquiring about his next opponent. Zavier looks skilled, but Devaney looks no push over especially if he can keep the fight at distance. Zavier starts the favorite and I expect him to win by unanimous decision. If Assasi truly wants us to believe Zavier is the man, he really needs to put Devaney away inside two. 155lb – Jones vs Landers Jones 4-4-1 is a 9 fight INY veteran coming off a fight of the night loss at INY 38. A well rounded fighter with decent kick boxing he faces Landers 6-3 who is 3-0 since signing with the INY. Landers a ground specialist will test Jones’ resilience to a brutal ground and pound attack. Can Jones counter strike and make Landers pay? I’m going with Landers to stop Jones on cuts mid way through the 2nd. 170lb – Kokina vs Al Razi Abdullah’s man bitch Razi 4-4 takes on unbeaten Samoan Kokina. Kokina will keep this standing, and I fancy Abdullah’s little princess to try and take this to the ground. In a close fight I think Kokina will edge a points decision. 265lb – Spudd vs Kurtz Spudd 3-7 has 1 win in his last 8, and has gone the distance in just 1 of those losses. Kurtz is a making the transition from K1 and brings genuine world class stand up and a record of 4-1. This could end quickly in a KO of the night performance for Kurtz….or the JLP camp rated among the greatest on the planet could face humiliation if Spudd lands that takedown and nails down a sub. Unlikely, yes, but a possibility, hell yes! 170lb- Steinberg vs Williams This one matters, not because anyone really cares where these two young fighters are right now in their careers, but because of the growing rivalry between their camps. Steinberg is managed by Fox Jacobsson, educated, articulate, and respectful, but he has been targeted in the public arena in recent months by the brash and colorful trailer park hype machine, Shane Wellman. Steinberg has to keep this standing and box at range and repel the expected takedowns from Williams. Steinberg could be in a for long night on his back in this one , because I think Williams will stick him there and dominate. 265+lb Thomas Jnr vs Hotop Thomas 5-1 has decent Muay Thai but got taken down and beat last time out, and this time faces the old nemesis of the INY’s Gay Pride Poster Boy Zayeed Abdullah, in journeyman Warren Hotop. Hotop is coming off a win, and holds wins over Abdullah and Bradley, but when he has stepped up in class he has struggled. This one is a toss up. Both will want to keep this standing, and I feel Thomas Jnr will outlast Hotop, and finish him inside 2 rounds. 145lb Martigan vs Dubois Martigan a former amateur boxing star is 2-1 but suffered a loss by sub last time out, which makes Dubois a BJJ specialist a hot favorite to impose a second consecutive sub loss on Martigan, and with it end his MMA career. 265+lb Lard vs Rewell Lard is 1-5 a BJJ Brown belt with 1 sub win, facing Rewell a young boxer with some wrestling ability. Rewell knows what to expect and I firmly believe he will move swiftly to 2-0 and face sterner tests in the not too distant future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Good stuff Steel. I'm thinking about bringing the FA I picked up a last week here too. http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=170070 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Good work, Steel. I appreciate good write ups. I love reading these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Steel has always made good writing contributions and these are no exception. Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imfromhoiland Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 I wasn't able to change my sliders because of the problems with the site. I can only get on the site with my phone and can't change sliders there. Luckily Steinberg escaped with a victory by decision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 Safdar Al Razi- PEEL you get my record wrong! I made another pathetic 170lber scream for mercy! We go to after party at our new Club Hairy Beaver 2! My and Zayed will be the ones with your mothers and sisters! Gettings shots of body from them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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