jbrookins Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Funny people think/care so much about manager rankings when they're so utterly meaningless in this game. Any/everyone involved in my scenario was only helping my Org, if it did in fact help them that was only a bonus because I reached out and asked them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minark Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Haha okay. I'd think having F-Man as a member of our merry band of misfits would do that anyways so it's all cool. What zyd did was wrong, but he got absolutely no benefit from it except for picking up two overhyped cans. He was fighting the same guy over and over again, but did nothing with the money he made. Brookins here is trying to make some easy cash and help his friends inflate their ranks. As I said, apples and oranges. Good point with F-Man. Lol. And I know what you're saying. I'm not comparing what Zyd did to what Brookins in terms of Zyd's being equally as bad. In my honest opinion the only thing that bugged me about what Zyd did was the fact that he told everyone he was helping Mike and then kept everything so secretive and joked it off. In the end, the only one he honestly hurt was Mike as it started a forum uproar and everyone sending Mike PM's about him being a multi, and wanting him banned and this and that in the other. In Brookins case, it's more interesting because he doesn't even think what he's doing is wrong. He's inflating his hype and record and picking up FA's that others could be picking up had he not inflated his hype. This is why I think when Mike gets time after the improvements, the community needs to come up with a proper fix to the FA. He uses the excuse that he's having fun so why do people care, but that's such a lame excuse. He's also boosting the hype of his org, earning extra cash from his exploits and all the while he sees absolutely nothing wrong with it. My guess is his excuse is that he's not hurting anyone and that he's not the first to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 the community needs to come up with a proper fix to the FA. Someone explain why we need to keep free agents. What would be wrong with once they are cut, they are gone forever??? legitimate question or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minark Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Someone explain why we need to keep free agents. What would be wrong with once they are cut, they are gone forever??? legitimate question or not? I know some managers like dropping fighters and seeing how they do under a different manager. I don't mind the FA I just wish there was a better way. Not everyone wants to release a fighter straight into retirement I guess is how I would answer that. Maybe someone has better insight into the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Would a simple fix not be to just not be able to pick up your own dropped fighters? I personally don't care if it was "Crookins" or anyone else, its a fix that promotes lack of attention to other aspects of owning a company yet enhances the players ability or his companies ability to perform in future, taking away from younger/newer managers in the long run. In addition it means that newer managers who sign up to his org may/will be put off of ID restricted Orgs, this would kill Orgs like mine that have not even started to get off the ground yet. Another side effect is that when the newbies come to the forums they see massive threads like this calling people out and shouting about how someone cheated, in short.... POLITICS!!! People don't sign up to games for politics, unless it's a politics based game??? (Does one even exist? If so LINK) This in itself is bad enough but then that also puts down all the hard work that other people do to help the noobs, what with help guides and competitions to help them get started financially. Hell I ain't rich but I do some of that stuff, what "Crookins" is doing is benefiting himself! [qoute]I'm having fun playing this game, but I guess some other's have more fun enforcing imaginary rules. Good for you, but by you having fun many more people are potentially not having fun! Or worst case scenario not being given the opportunity to have fun due to the politics being thrown about. Its not about enforcing imaginary rules Its about respecting other people and not creating issues you know will be caused by finding loop holes! Esp. when people pay for the privilege of having someone lie to them! Its a loop hole, a glitch, a work around! Paramount to a hack, when have they ever been allowed? Just my 2 pence worth, followed by another 2 pence worth, and change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanGoing Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Someone explain why we need to keep free agents. What would be wrong with once they are cut, they are gone forever??? legitimate question or not? Because free agents are valuable to new managers. When I first started, basically half my roster was FAs I picked up. I still have one of those guys too. So, I feel that FAs are important, but I would agree that there could be a better system for distributing them. Maybe something like a draft (where picks are given out according to a weighted lottery system), but that's just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minark Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Would a simple fix not be to just not be able to pick up your own dropped fighters? I personally don't care if it was "Crookins" or anyone else, its a fix that promotes lack of attention to other aspects of owning a company yet enhances the players ability or his companies ability to perform in future, taking away from younger/newer managers in the long run. In addition it means that newer managers who sign up to his org may/will be put off of ID restricted Orgs, this would kill Orgs like mine that have not even started to get off the ground yet. Another side effect is that when the newbies come to the forums they see massive threads like this calling people out and shouting about how someone cheated, in short.... POLITICS!!! People don't sign up to games for politics, unless it's a politics based game??? (Does one even exist? If so LINK) This in itself is bad enough but then that also puts down all the hard work that other people do to help the noobs, what with help guides and competitions to help them get started financially. Hell I ain't rich but I do some of that stuff, what "Crookins" is doing is benefiting himself! I'm having fun playing this game, but I guess some other's have more fun enforcing imaginary rules. Good for you, but by you having fun many more people are potentially not having fun! Or worst case scenario not being given the opportunity to have fun due to the politics being thrown about. Its not about Its about respecting other people and not creating issues you know will be caused by finding loop holes! Esp. when people pay for the privilege of having someone lie to them! Its a loop hole, a glitch, a work around! Paramount to a hack, when have they ever been allowed? Just my 2 pence worth, followed by another 2 pence worth, and change. I like this post. It points out a lot of good points that I think haven't been hit yet. And I know the idea of making the person who picks up a FA hold on to that person for 15 or 30 days or something without the option of immediately dropping with VIP time was thrown around. I really like the ideas that you can't pick a FA up twice, have to hold the FA for 15 or 30 days or whatever is agreed upon and maybe the FA being a weighted lottery. That way these managers can't boost their rank up as he's doing and then pick out the highest hyped FA's to earn them extra money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I don't have a problem with them either, but I never picked one up either. I still don't really see the need for them. It would help eliminate older fighters that had more advantageous training times (years to weeks and other things I've read about as the game progressed). I also think it would help newer orgs if some of those early creation date fighters were gone. Still no one gave a real reason as to why they are needed. How do they help a new manager to get them over building a new one and starting them in a lower tier org? The only thing I see is you can maybe learn sliders in more area's faster with fewer fighters instead of build one of each (boxer, M/T, Wrestler, Or BBJ specialist) I'm not arguing, just trying to see some sides to have them that I might not see? I actually thought once you released a fighter you couldn't get it back, but maybe that was a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Someone explain why we need to keep free agents. What would be wrong with once they are cut, they are gone forever??? legitimate question or not? Well, this would solve plenty of problems with the FA system, but I do have three fighters in my roster that I picked up from FA. They helped me in understanding fighter builds slider settings training and some other things. Plus they are good for picking up a fighter that is ready to go while you are training up projects. Just to name a few of the more legitimate reasons to have a FA. What Brookins is doing is shameful. He is boosting Hype both for himself, his org and his Alliance mates and dumping the fighters so that they don't hurt his record. That is lame. I think that one thing that could easily be done to prevent people from using this tactic is to make it so that ANY fighter (former FA or your own creation) that you drop after a fight is signed but befor it happens should stay in your camp until aftethe fight. This way the loss (or win) would go on your historic record. Once the fight is done they will then become FA, but not before the fight is one. You could still sack them while the fight is pending, but They would not become FA's until they fought. This nullifies any benefit from using the tactic and therefore will cause people to stop doing it. Problem solved. Because free agents are valuable to new managers. When I first started, basically half my roster was FAs I picked up. I still have one of those guys too. So, I feel that FAs are important, but I would agree that there could be a better system for distributing them. Maybe something like a draft (where picks are given out according to a weighted lottery system), but that's just an idea. I kinda already touched on some of this in the previous section. I don't think the weighted system should be used. It might make it too tough for newer managers to pick FAs up at all. But, Making it so the you couldn't pick up a fighter after you have released them ever again and adding the you have to hold them for 15-30 days would also seriously crimp the style of assholes that do this shit. I don't have a problem with them either, but I never picked one up either. I still don't really see the need for them. It would help eliminate older fighters that had more advantageous training times (years to weeks and other things I've read about as the game progressed). I also think it would help newer orgs if some of those early creation date fighters were gone. Still no one gave a real reason as to why they are needed. How do they help a new manager to get them over building a new one and starting them in a lower tier org? The only thing I see is you can maybe learn sliders in more area's faster with fewer fighters instead of build one of each (boxer, M/T, Wrestler, Or BBJ specialist) I'm not arguing, just trying to see some sides to have them that I might not see? I actually thought once you released a fighter you couldn't get it back, but maybe that was a business. I already addressed most of this in the first part, but the bold part... yes.. only businesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjs2442 Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I have been watching this thread from the outside but am curious, other then the financial aspect of the events these fight take place on, are we forgetting the changes implemented by Mike at the end of March? More specifically when u put 2 of your fighters against one another then release one u get no hype or popularity gain, and the same idea exists when uneven fights are booked. Basically its a waste of time so no stats are been padded, its just a spot filled on an event. Not sure though how much it effects the financials or rating of that event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minark Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I have been watching this thread from the outside but am curious, other then the financial aspect of the events these fight take place on, are we forgetting the changes implemented by Mike at the end of March? More specifically when u put 2 of your fighters against one another then release one u get no hype or popularity gain, and the same idea exists when uneven fights are booked. Basically its a waste of time so no stats are been padded, its just a spot filled on an event. Not sure though how much it effects the financials or rating of that event. It effects events in a huge way because he's cherry picking some of the higher hyped fighters from the FA and using them. He's not using them for the reason to fill spots. Many org owners can do that on their own without doing this. Many do it now. He's doing it to boost his org hype, which will boost his attendance which will give him huge increases in pay. It's not just him filling a card. And he was doing this before Mike made those changes. So he may not be gaining from it now, but he had in the past before Mike implemented those changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwt19744 Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I just wanted to come on here a clear up a few things 1. I run TTFC in New York 2. I dont get any money from TTFC:A to fight cans or anything like that. I have never gotten any money from Jon from his Org. 3. David Cross's fight was a case of a last minute switch in Opp. I did take the fight because it was offerd to me I have never declined a fight and I wont ever decline a fight. 4. As for Daltons fight he asked me if I had a guy that could fight one his next Card I told him all I have was Dalton Wolfe who is a sparbot that I have used to help differnt Org owners out with fights. I told him that Dalton is all I have so I took the fight to help him out. As far as the Hype goes for Dalton he is a sparbot so I really dont care if he losses or wins. If you look at his past couple of Opp. he hasnt fought a bunch of cans plus his ype isnt that high. I didnt think it was much of a deal as he is not going to be fighting full time. As I stated he is a sparbot. I dont mind taking fights on short notice with him as long as he can make the fight with full energy. I have done this a lot in the past and he has lost if you look at his record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 when F-Man was in my alliance he was a sweetheart. i think everything indicates that you guys are destroying him. he even shaved his beard now. he already didnt have the best of luck closing deals with the other gender, if you know what i mean and now he even shaved his beard. good women like beards, thats like objectivly and scientificly proven. bad slider- and everything else advice as far as i can see over there at gesundheit. what the fuk, mannetosen. what the fuk. i dont need luck with women...when i want it to happen, i make it happen. as far as me and gesundheit...ive cheated less than anyone in the history of this game. people hate on me because theyre jealous of kid torres, but in reality...i play the game fairer than most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Would a simple fix not be to just not be able to pick up your own dropped fighters? Just my 2 pence worth, followed by another 2 pence worth, and change. Show tits !?! ooops , u already did it. as far as me and gesundheit...ive cheated less than anyone in the history of this game. people hate on me because theyre jealous of kid torres, but in reality...i play the game fairer than most. I understand you bro, they're all jeally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkKent Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 http://www.mmatycoon.com/managerprofilemanager.php?MgrID=57223 And now a new loophole. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyster89 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 http://www.mmatycoon.com/managerprofilemanager.php?MgrID=57223 And now a new loophole. Wow. Sucks to see that as I legit tried to pick up Takeshi, but Brookins was higher hyped and got the fighter. Regardless if he picked him up, took his money, and dropped him he was higher ranked than I was. There's nothing wrong with what he did. If there's anything wrong with the current system it's that the fighter is going to be a FA for another 7 days now. If the goal is to give managers an opportunity to put in a claim for them, maybe fighters should only be FA's for 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Fighter that give the better FA should get the best FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Well a few things I don't like about this post are as follows: 1) It seems more to me like your just wanting to advertise your own business while talking poorly on another person/ your competition's org who happens to be in an alliance with you. Which is pretty low, and not looking out for newer players imo. 2) It is crummy and have rejected in the past several contract offers in the past because I do always check and make sure that in a id restricted org that they don't have any fighters in the top under the id but I also check the entire division I would be signed to as well. Let's face it sometimes you can find a lot lower id guys in the back of the pack in hype and p4p rating because they were getting smashed because of hiddens or being in an org and having bad match ups which brings me to 3) I also check my weight class and have denied contracts for unrestricted id orgs as well rather it's because my guy was to skilled and there may have only been 1 or 2 guys i'd consider it a fair match up for me to face them instead of kicking some can, or if it was a league where my guy just had no business being in it because he would be a can in it. You have to protect yourself. 4) Newer players shouldn't flock to an org because it is ID restricted they should look at the org they get an offer from and look at the fighters in it rather it's ID restricted or not. Also people like me who just started an org I have no intentions of making mine ID restricted nor do I have money to go out there and grab some big shot, which I wouldn't do anyways. But my org is towards the bottom of my city because I haven't had an event yet so looking towards the bottom of a city your in is also a good idea as usually it means it's a newer org. Should new orgs have to make their's ID restricted no. It is up to the org owner to help lookout for fighters by being an honest person and making sure that the divisions offers are evenly skilled throughout them to allow for fair match ups. Just make sure you have fair competition for all the fighters in your org. If you've been around for a while and bring in some newly created guy and he starts tearing through his division going like 4 straight wins and he is telling you even though he is under skill level but wants the shot at the title and he has a right to be a contender he's asking for it give him the shot he is the one calling him out. On that same not you've been around for a while and some guy has been with you since day 1 wanting to take on some newly created fighter you just signed you tell him heck no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I agree, Buddy. With bout 90% of this post anyway. There were some bits I am not sure I understood, so I just don't know if I agree or not. The key is to make the fights a fair as possible. I am on th staff of an ID restricted org. We work very hard to make sure the matchups are as fair as possible. However some guys have been joinging our org with their private gym trained monsters. This makes matchmaking very difficult. They are not honoring the spirit of the concept of an ID restricted org. Most of our managers (including myself andthe owner) are realatively new managers or outright noobs. So we have to step twice as fast to try and keep things fair. One of the things w did is put a cap on our own recruitment policy. While the org is still 150K ID restricted and all fighters currently within the restriction will be allowed to stay as long as they like, we will no longer be signng fighters fighter lower than 160K. And that may change again to 170K soon. The notion is to do just what you said in one of your points. To make sure that there is a smooth curve of skill levels through the divisions so that no one is sitting at the bottom looking at all the beasts in the top and thinking, "Man, I can never compete with those guys". I am like you in that if I was stomping the Hell out of veryone thrown at me and there was no one I thought could resonably pose a threat to one of my fighters I would move them to a new org where I could find a better level of competition. I am baffled by these guys that try to get into an org where they know that no one can really pose them a threat. It seems a little bit of a douchey tactic to me. The end result of this has been that me, the owner and a few of our top managers have sacrificed our top fighters to these guys knowing that we have little chance of winning so that the newbie managers don't have to face these guys. It is rather disgusting. My record will soon be taking a beating from these fights as theyget done... I am less than pleased by it. Mike has begun work on training changes that hopefully will close the gap somewhat between Public Gyms and Private Gym. I hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Yeah which is why I wouldn't ever offer a fight I myself wouldn't take. I've declined some in my day. I don't want to pound on someone nor do I want to be the guy being pounded on. If my chances of winning are less than 27% I won't fight same with my opponent. Minus if I have a belt because then a champion shouldn't ever say they won't fight someone, or if a fighter of mine is in a tournament because you just have to fight whoever you get matched up with. But in any regards like I said it is up to the manager to ultimately look out for themselves, while yes this may sound like a douche thing to say it is true, and i think some people know this and take advantage of that. Which is why yes it may be the managers fault for accepting a fight or going to an org as an org owner we still have duty to not take advantage and throw someone to the wolves so to speak. We have an obligation to help protect managers from bad decisions by not giving them bad decisions in the first place. Like I remember when I first started I had a guy who was unbeaten and doing very well then he had this one win where he did cut though. Well the org owner offered me a fight to take while he would still have cuts in the time frame. Before I never really looked at fights dates or anything but knew my guy was injured so I paid attention for the first time ever and finally declined a fight. He asked me why I declined the fight and told him my fighter would have been cut entering into that fight. So he replied back that he was sorry and never really looked and paid attention to stuff like but was glad I brought that to his attention and he will be more careful from now on and wouldn't do that again. So I received another fight offer for that fighter with in an hour and just accepted it because he said he would make sure that wouldn't happen again. Well this fight was an even earlier scheduled fight than one I had declined. When I had asked him what happened and if he could cancel the fight and reschedule someone else he told me the fight was already booked and he couldn't do anything. So my guy got his first loss stoppage due to cuts and had a 26 days cut on him and I was so infuriated that I sacked my fighter because of the loss in the way I had lost and being lied too. See so I'm using something that has happened to me to show org owners that people trust us to help them make smart decisions and fair fights. Yes they have to take care of themselves but we have an obligation to also do right by the people signing with us. We are trusted and don't need to misuse that trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Because free agents are valuable to new managers. When I first started, basically half my roster was FAs I picked up. I still have one of those guys too. So, I feel that FAs are important, but I would agree that there could be a better system for distributing them. Maybe something like a draft (where picks are given out according to a weighted lottery system), but that's just an idea. that could be a good idea. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have been watching this thread from the outside but am curious, other then the financial aspect of the events these fight take place on, are we forgetting the changes implemented by Mike at the end of March? More specifically when u put 2 of your fighters against one another then release one u get no hype or popularity gain, and the same idea exists when uneven fights are booked. Basically its a waste of time so no stats are been padded, its just a spot filled on an event. Not sure though how much it effects the financials or rating of that event. very good question bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 very good question bro He gains a significant amount in terms of money for the event, but I think the bigger crime here is that he isn't putting them against his own fighters. But rather against Alliance mates or other people in his org. He cuts the figher so that he doesn't take the loss to his record but the other fighter essentially gets a free win and some hype out of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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