Conspiracy Theorist

[Grasman]

You're confusing the Taliban with Al Queda.

who is?

[thegroovemonkey]

who is?

you are. if anything the taliban got caught in the middle. I also have no idea what Kazaar is but the worlds debt is owned by the Rothschild family.

[Guest]

Just gonna state another Theory which isn't a conspiracy though.

 

Humans are actually aliens that crashed into the planet Earth millions of years ago and the impact of our crash wiped out the dinosaurs and we took over as the dominant species.

I disagree totally. We are all just sub-atomic particles in a giant cellular structure we call earth. This cellular structure is a part of a larger being that is formed by what we define as the universe. The Big Bang theory is just used to describe the growth and aging process of this giant being we all live inside and work to make sure he/she functions in his society, which oddly enough he does the same thing as we do. And inside us are also tiny other little humans working to make us live and survive. It is a never ending cycle.

[Grasman]

you are. if anything the taliban got caught in the middle. I also have no idea what Kazaar is but the worlds debt is owned by the Rothschild family.

The Taliban (as the Regime of Afghanistan) was invited to Unocal in Texas in 95.

To negotiate building a pipeline through Afghanistan, from the Caspian Sea.

Those talks broke down,,, can you guess the name of the Afghan interpreter Unocal brought in...

 

No confusion there.

 

The "phrase" Al Qaeda was coined together later,, in 98 (i think), as the collective name of a terror organization responsible for an attack on a US Navy ship.

Prior to that "Al Qaeda" was the name of a CIA database, used to keep track of friendly Mujaheddins, incl. some factions of the Taliban sect.

All friendly parties fighting side by side with US agents against the Russian occupation.......

Chasing them off together in '85 as Hollywood depicted so graphically, in the not so historically accurate, Rambo 3.

[Grasman]

I also have no idea what Kazaar is but the worlds debt is owned by the Rothschild family.

Kazaar is where all Ashkenazim Jews originate from, incl. the Rothschild family.

Kazaar took to the Jewish religion around the year 850, but the country split up around 1200,

with previous residents mainly seeking north to Russia, but also scattered over Europe.

 

It is alleged that the first goldsmiths (the original "fractional bankers") came from there.

[Guest]

The Taliban (as the Regime of Afghanistan) was invited to Unocal in Texas in 95.

To negotiate building a pipeline through Afghanistan, from the Caspian Sea.

Those talks broke down,,, can you guess the name of the Afghan interpreter Unocal brought in...

 

No confusion there.

 

The "phrase" Al Qaeda was coined together later,, in 98 (i think), as the collective name of a terror organization responsible for an attack on a US Navy ship.

Prior to that "Al Qaeda" was the name of a CIA database, used to keep track of friendly Mujaheddins, incl. some factions of the Taliban sect.

All friendly parties fighting side by side with US agents against the Russian occupation.......

Chasing them off together in '85 as Hollywood depicted so graphically, in the not so historically accurate, Rambo 3.

 

Someone who knows wtf they're talking about?! *boggles*

 

It is worth expanding that at the start of the pipeline talks, Pakistan was a 'friend' and it was planned to go through them as China and Russia were 'not friends'. Obviously Pakistan had the audacity to have their own agenda, both politically and as a population independent of the regime which tried to oppress is. The legacy of this is still seen today in the popular Pakistan support for the resistance to US forces in Afghanistan and through the illegal US bombing and covert actions against Pakistan, in Pakistan.

 

After Pakistan become unreliable, the next logical port became Iraq. The war has taken much longer than anticipated and may require going through Iran. The next logical choice becomes Turkey or Lebanon, through Syria (and likely Northern Iraq). You can connect the dots of civil unrest, 'terrorist' activity and outright war as you see US energy policy shift from port to port in relation to the Caspian Sea pipeline project.

[Grasman]

 

Someone who knows wtf they're talking about?! *boggles*

 

It is worth expanding that at the start of the pipeline talks, Pakistan was a 'friend' and it was planned to go through them as China and Russia were 'not friends'. Obviously Pakistan had the audacity to have their own agenda, both politically and as a population independent of the regime which tried to oppress is. The legacy of this is still seen today in the popular Pakistan support for the resistance to US forces in Afghanistan and through the illegal US bombing and covert actions against Pakistan, in Pakistan.

 

After Pakistan become unreliable, the next logical port became Iraq. The war has taken much longer than anticipated and may require going through Iran. The next logical choice becomes Turkey or Lebanon, through Syria (and likely Northern Iraq). You can connect the dots of civil unrest, 'terrorist' activity and outright war as you see US energy policy shift from port to port in relation to the Caspian Sea pipeline project.

100% agreed bud.

 

As usual you do know your shit KRad

 

The US needs one pipeline into the Indian ocean and one into the Mediterranean, through friendly countries.

The one going through Turkey, into the Mediterranean, is less risky, as the countries are more stable and is in full build.

One path is not enough, as the stability of the "stable countries" isn't really set in stone.

In my opinion, this pipeline has a lot to do with all the efforts to bring Turkey into the EU,

a move quite unpopular by a lot of the population in the northern EU member countries.

[thegroovemonkey]

All for some natural gas?

 

How does the 93 WTC bombing fit into all of this?

[Grasman]

All for some natural gas?

 

How does the 93 WTC bombing fit into all of this?

I presented a "path" from 1995 to 2000 in a previous post, that in my opinion has a lot to do with 911 in 2001.

 

If you look at those "events", starting with the Unocal/Taliban meeting in 1995, The Unocal Dossier in 1997 (Regime change needed), PNAC in 1999 (a Catlyzing event on the scale of Pearl Harbour needed) and Congress in the summer of 2000 (Regime change decided, but US public support estimated as a problem).

 

Al Qaeda was used as a handy excuse to attack Afghanistan and force a Regime change. (which was already decided in 2000)

 

This is one of the reasons why the events of 911 were at the very least, "allowed to happen" imo.

How deep the involvement reaches, is another story and much more up to debate than the other..

 

But, how you want to interpret this is up to you, I'm not trying to convince anyone, as it's quite pointless in so many aspects.

[Wolf]

Within the next 10 years a massive flu will break out killing a load of people. An evil drug company will manufacture a drug to cure this but it will also make 90% of the population infertile, causing a mass scale depopulation over time so there is more farming land and a more sustainable future. If i am killed soon, then we know this is true

[Guest]

It is like someone read Tom Clancy and then Dan Brown one after the other.

[gwad12345]

I presented a "path" from 1995 to 2000 in a previous post, that in my opinion has a lot to do with 911 in 2001.

 

If you look at those "events", starting with the Unocal/Taliban meeting in 1995, The Unocal Dossier in 1997 (Regime change needed), PNAC in 1999 (a Catlyzing event on the scale of Pearl Harbour needed) and Congress in the summer of 2000 (Regime change decided, but US public support estimated as a problem).

 

Al Qaeda was used as a handy excuse to attack Afghanistan and force a Regime change. (which was already decided in 2000)

 

This is one of the reasons why the events of 911 were at the very least, "allowed to happen" imo.

How deep the involvement reaches, is another story and much more up to debate than the other..

 

But, how you want to interpret this is up to you, I'm not trying to convince anyone, as it's quite pointless in so many aspects.

 

Right back at ya.

[SpizzEnergi]

Take a look at Zeitgeist... it covers a lot of whats been discussed over the 3 movies

 

Link to Zeitgeist

[Grasman]

 

Right back at ya.

Sure, but,

In your eyes, is this "path" i provided, "misinterpreting coincidences and making connections where they don't exist"?

 

If so, explain you opinion please.

 

You have only made "general statements" on conspiracies and those presenting them, but not countered anything material.

 

Have you actually looked into this, or do you just skate over "stuff like this", ignoring it completely?

 

How does a common Afghan interpreter of failed negotiations, rise to become the president of a country in only 6 years?

That's some speedy career process.

 

But, all that's irrelevant right?.....

[Grasman]

Take a look at Zeitgeist... it covers a lot of whats been discussed over the 3 movies

 

Link to Zeitgeist

Zeitgeist is a good base.

It's a must see, whether one agrees with it or not.

Not everything is correct though, some parts of it are more accurate than others.

[Guest]

Too much pseudo-science for my liking.

[Grasman]

Too much pseudo-science for my liking.

 

I found it very enlightening how they tear the origins of Christianity apart.

The Rothschild part is also very interesting but quite incomplete though.

 

[Wolf]

It is like someone read Tom Clancy and then Dan Brown one after the other.

Or watched Utopia

[vellum]

Sorry about the long copy and paste. Im not a believer but someone might enjoy the read

 

 

America is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control

> system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by Talibans

> when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top

> bases. The Talibans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal

> personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control

> system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened

> about a month ago in Feb 2014.

>

> The Talibans want money. They want to sell the system to Russia or China.

> The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the

> system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology

> behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become

> useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system

> and agreed to pay millions for it.

>

> Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their

> way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid

> detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic

> protection. Meanwhile America has engaged assistance of Israeli

> intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture

> the cargo.

>

> Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian

> aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to

> Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and American will not hijack or harm

> civilians. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

>

> There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing

> operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

>

> When MH370 is about to leave Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese

> air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot

> control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the

> plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

>

> How can AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all

> Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control

> system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing can be remote

> controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to

> control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

>

> The 5 American/Israeli agents took over the plane, switched off the

> transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew

> westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole

> South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and

> satellite.

>

> The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the

> unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

>

> The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at

> Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued

> its flight to Diego Gar CIA the American Air Base in the middle of Indian

> Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were

> silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead people

> will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers was air borne again via remote

> control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, making to believe that the

> plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, then blame the defiant captain

> and copilot.

>

> American has put on a good show. First diverting all the attention and

> search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to

> Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to

> confuse the world. Australian is the co-actor.

>

> The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search

> aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first South China Sea, then

> Malacca Straits and Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is

> very concerned, not so much about the many Chinese civilian passengers, but

> mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

[Guest]

Kazaar is where all Ashkenazim Jews originate from, incl. the Rothschild family.

Kazaar took to the Jewish religion around the year 850, but the country split up around 1200,

with previous residents mainly seeking north to Russia, but also scattered over Europe.

 

It is alleged that the first goldsmiths (the original "fractional bankers") came from there.

 

I thought that the theory that Ashkenazi jews descended from the khazars was pretty widely disproven and was mostly clung on to by racists? Not arguing here, just genuinely curious.

 

Take a look at Zeitgeist... it covers a lot of whats been discussed over the 3 movies

 

Link to Zeitgeist

Zeitgeist is mostly shitty pseudoscience and tinfoil hattery.

[Grasman]

 

I thought that the theory that Ashkenazi jews descended from the khazars was pretty widely disproven and was mostly clung on to by racists? Not arguing here, just genuinely curious.

The Rhineland hypotheses claims that all Jew share a common link and there has been some (possibly biased) research done to support that theory.

 

"For years now, the findings of Ostrer and several other scientists have stood virtually unchallenged on the genetics of Jews and the story they tell of the common Middle East origins shared by many Jewish populations worldwide. Jews — and Ashkenazim in particular — are indeed one people, Ostrer’s research finds.

It’s a theory that more or less affirms the understanding that many Jews themselves hold of who they are in the world: a people who, though scattered, share an ethnic-racial bond rooted in their common ancestral descent from the indigenous Jews of ancient Judea or Palestine, as the Romans called it after they conquered the Jewish homeland."

 

"The sometimes strong emotions generated by this scientific dispute stem from a politically loaded question that scientists and others have pondered for decades: Where in the world did Ashkenazi Jews come from?

The debate touches upon such sensitive issues as whether the Jewish people is a race or a religion, and whether Jews or Palestinians are descended from the original inhabitants of what is now the State of Israel.

Ostrer’s theory is sometimes marshaled to lend the authority of science to the Zionist narrative, which views the migration of modern-day Jews to what is now Israel, and their rule over that land, as a simple act of repossession by the descendants of the land’s original residents. Ostrer declined to be interviewed for this story. But in his writings, Ostrer points out the dangers of such reductionism; some of the same genetic markers common among Jews, he finds, can be found in Palestinians, as well.

 

"By using sophisticated molecular tools, Feldman, Ostrer and most other scientists in the field have found that Jews are genetically homogeneous. No matter where they live, these scientists say, Jews are genetically more similar to each other than to their non-Jewish neighbors, and they have a shared Middle Eastern ancestry.

The geneticists’ research backs up what is known as the Rhineland Hypothesis. According to the hypothesis, Ashkenazi Jews descended from Jews who fled Palestine after the Muslim conquest in the seventh century and settled in Southern Europe. In the late Middle Ages they moved into eastern Europe from Germany, or the Rhineland.

 

Quite an Interesting hypotheses.

 

 

 

However, now, Elhaik, an Israeli molecular geneticist, has published research that he says debunks this claim. And that has set off a predictable clash.

 

“Nonsense,” said Elhaik, a 33-year-old Israeli Jew from Beersheba who earned a doctorate in molecular evolution from the University of Houston. The son of an Italian man and Iranian woman who met in Israel, Elhaik, a dark-haired, compact man, sat down recently for an interview in his bare, narrow cubicle of an office at Hopkins, where he’s worked for four years.

In “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses,” published in December in the online journal Genome Biology and Evolution, Elhaik says he has proved that Ashkenazi Jews’ roots lie in the Caucasus — a region at the border of Europe and Asia that lies between the Black and Caspian seas — not in the Middle East. They are descendants, he argues, of the Khazars, a Turkic people who lived in one of the largest medieval states in Eurasia and then migrated to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries. Ashkenazi genes, Elhaik added, are far more heterogeneous than Ostrer and other proponents of the Rhineland Hypothesis believe. Elhaik did find a Middle Eastern genetic marker in DNA from Jews, but, he says, it could be from Iran, not ancient Judea.

Elhaik writes that the Khazars converted to Judaism in the eighth century, although many historians believe that only royalty and some members of the aristocracy converted. But widespread conversion by the Khazars is the only way to explain the ballooning of the European Jewish population to 8 million at the beginning of the 20th century from its tiny base in the Middle Ages, Elhaik says.

Elhaik bases his conclusion on an analysis of genetic data published by a team of researchers led by Doron Behar, a population geneticist and senior physician at Israel’s Rambam Medical Center, in Haifa. Using the same data, Behar’s team published in 2010 a paper concluding that most contemporary Jews around the world and some non-Jewish populations from the Levant, or Eastern Mediterranean, are closely related.

Elhaik used some of the same statistical tests as Behar and others, but he chose different comparisons. Elhaik compared “genetic signatures” found in Jewish populations with those of modern-day Armenians and Georgians, which he uses as a stand-in for the long-extinct Khazarians because they live in the same area as the medieval state.

 

Elhaik used some of the same statistical tests as Behar and others, but he chose different comparisons. Elhaik compared “genetic signatures” found in Jewish populations with those of modern-day Armenians and Georgians, which he uses as a stand-in for the long-extinct Khazarians because they live in the same area as the medieval state.

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of Behar’s co-authors, of Elhaik’s paper. Hammer notes that Armenians have Middle Eastern roots, which, he says, is why they appeared to be genetically related to Ashkenazi Jews in Elhaik’s study.

Hammer, who also co-wrote the first paper that showed modern-day Kohanim are descended from a single male ancestor, calls Elhaik and other Khazarian Hypothesis proponents “outlier folks… who have a minority view that’s not supported scientifically. I think the arguments they make are pretty weak and stretching what we know.”

Feldman, director of Stanford’s Morrison Institute for Population and Resource Studies, echoes Hammer. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

Elhaik’s statistical analysis would not pass muster with most contemporary scholars, Feldman said: “He appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.”

Elhaik, who doesn’t believe that Moses, Aaron or the 12 Tribes of Israel ever existed, shrugs off such criticism.

“That’s a circular argument,” he said of the notion that Jews’ and Armenians’ genetic similarities stem from common ancestors in the Middle East and not from Khazaria, the area where the Armenians live. If you believe that, he says, then other non-Jewish populations, such as Georgian, that are genetically similar to Armenians should be considered genetically related to Jews, too, “and so on and so forth.”

Dan Graur, Elhaik’s doctoral supervisor at U.H. and a member of the editorial board of the journal that published his paper, calls his former student “very ambitious, very independent. That’s what I like.” Graur, a Romanian-born Jew who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years before moving 10 years ago to the Houston school, said Elhaik “writes more provocatively than may be needed, but it’s his style.” Graur calls Elhaik’s conclusion that Ashkenazi Jews originated to the east of Germany “a very honest estimate.”

In a news article that accompanied Elhaik’s journal paper, Shlomo Sand, history professor at Tel Aviv University and author of the controversial 2009 book “The Invention of the Jewish People,” said the study vindicated his long-held ideas.

”It’s so obvious for me,” Sand told the journal. “Some people, historians and even scientists, turn a blind eye to the truth. Once, to say Jews were a race was anti-Semitic, now to say they’re not a race is anti-Semitic. It’s crazy how history plays with us.”

The paper has received little coverage in mainstream American media, but it has attracted the attention of anti-Zionists and “anti-Semitic white supremacists,” Elhaik said.

Interestingly, while anti-Zionist bloggers have applauded Elhaik’s work, saying it proves that contemporary Jews have no legitimate claim to Israel, some white supremacists have attacked it.

David Duke, for example, is disturbed by the assertion that Jews are not a race. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have… developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” wrote the former Ku Klux Klansman and former Louisiana state assemblyman on his blog in February.

“I’m not communicating with them,” Elhaik said of the white supremacists. He says it also bothers him, a veteran of seven years in the Israeli army, that anti-Zionists have capitalized on his research; not least because “they’re not going to be proven wrong anytime soon.”

But proponents of the Rhineland Hypothesis also have a political agenda, he said, claiming they “were motivated to justify the Zionist narrative.”

To illustrate his point, Elhaik swivels his chair around to face his computer and calls up a 2010 email exchange with Ostrer.

“It was a great pleasure reading your group’s recent paper, ‘Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era,’ that illuminate the history of our people,” Elhaik wrote to Ostrer. “Is it possible to see the data used for the study?”

Ostrer replied that the data are not publicly available. “It is possible to collaborate with the team by writing a brief proposal that outlines what you plan to do,” he wrote. “Criteria for reviewing include novelty and strength of the proposal, non-overlap with current or planned activities, and non-defamatory nature toward the Jewish people.” That last requirement, Elhaik argues, reveals the bias of Ostrer and his collaborators.

Allowing scientists access to data only if their research will not defame Jews is “peculiar,” said Catherine DeAngelis, who edited the Journal of the American Medical Association for a decade. “What he does is set himself up for criticism: Wait a minute. What’s this guy trying to hide?”

Despite what his critics claim, Elhaik says, he was not out to prove that contemporary Jews have no connection to the Jewish people of the Bible. His primary research focus is the genetics of mental illness, which, he explains, led him to question the assumption that Ashkenazi Jews are a useful population to study because they’re so homogeneous.

Elhaik says he first read about the Khazarian Hypothesis a decade ago in a 1976 book by the late Hungarian-British author Arthur Koestler, “The Thirteenth Tribe,” written before scientists had the tools to compare genomes. Koestler, who was Jewish by birth, said his aim in writing the book was to eliminate the racist underpinnings of anti-Semitism in Europe. “Should this theory be confirmed, the term ‘anti-Semitism’ would become void of meaning,” the book jacket reads. Although Koestler’s book was generally well reviewed, some skeptics questioned the author’s grasp of the history of Khazaria.

Graur is not surprised that Elhaik has stood up against the “clique” of scientists who believe that Jews are genetically homogeneous. “He enjoys being combative,” Graur said. “That’s what science is.”

 

 

Here is a link to his paper The missing link of Jewish ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and Khazarian Hypotheses

 

 

Both hypotheses are interesting, though they both have an agenda.

[Grasman]

 

I thought that the theory that Ashkenazi jews descended from the khazars was pretty widely disproven and was mostly clung on to by racists? Not arguing here, just genuinely curious.

 

White supremacists have attacked this new theory, they cling onto the old one

[Grasman]

Sorry about the long copy and paste. Im not a believer but someone might enjoy the read

 

 

America is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control

---clip---

Interesting speculation, wouldn't put it past them.

However, what, if anything, backs this speculation up?

 

Was "MH370" vitnessed landing on Diego Garcia, or was "a jet" seen landing there.

 

It's the quality of the backing research that determines whether a conspiracy theory is solid or simply "pulled out of someones arse"

[vellum]

Interesting speculation, wouldn't put it past them.

However, what, if anything, backs this speculation up?

 

Was "MH370" vitnessed landing on Diego Garcia, or was "a jet" seen landing there.

 

It's the quality of the backing research that determines whether a conspiracy theory is solid or simply "pulled out of someones arse"

I didnt do any real research besides reading it on a different forum.

I saw this thread and thought someone might want to read and run with it.

[Grasman]

I didnt do any real research besides reading it on a different forum.

I saw this thread and thought someone might want to read and run with it.

I meant the research done by the one who wrote it.