TPowell1990 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I know this has been beat to death, but I really dislike seeing the elite fighters being top notch in every single primary. I think we should add Judo into this game for sure, and obviously make tosses a secondary or group it in with a currently weak secondary like escapes somehow. Adding in something like Tae kwon do would help too. Maybe make the clinch game more effective and make muay thai less of a striking primary. If not, maybe we could at least lower the points available for primaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handgrenaide Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Make muay thai less of a striking primary.. What do you think muay thai is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 or just make it harder to train up primaries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPowell1990 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Make muay thai less of a striking primary.. What do you think muay thai is? I said to make it more like clinch fighting because it would open up another primary or two. I understand that muay thai has striking aspects, but I'm trying to improvise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPowell1990 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 or just make it harder to train up primaries That would obviously be the easiest way to do it and I'd be all for it. I'd still like to see things get mixed up with Judo and Kickboxing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 That would obviously be the easiest way to do it and I'd be all for it. I'd still like to see things get mixed up with Judo and Kickboxing though Muay Thai has everything Kickboxing has + elbows and a better clinch game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPowell1990 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Muay Thai has everything Kickboxing has + elbows and a better clinch game. I understand that, but I was just suggesting adding kickboxing or karate or something and making muay thai just clinch fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeTravel0 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I agree about Judo, I'd like to see that implemented especially when we see high level Judo fron the likes of Ronda Rosey and Yoshihiro Akiyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 It would seem to me (probably incorrectly) that it might be better to create something that is outwardly more diverse but factually rather similar if you were going to make such a big change. Perhaps something like a 4 primary system where each primary is one of two or three options. Perhaps you could choose from wrestling or Judo. Kicking boxing or Muay Thai etc..To add further diversification you could give bonuses to each discipline. Judo is better at takedowns in the clinch but worse against the shot for example. However it would seem to be an epic job that would grind any others improvements to a complete halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPowell1990 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 It would seem to me (probably incorrectly) that it might be better to create something that is outwardly more diverse but factually rather similar if you were going to make such a big change. Perhaps something like a 4 primary system where each primary is one of two or three options. Perhaps you could choose from wrestling or Judo. Kicking boxing or Muay Thai etc..To add further diversification you could give bonuses to each discipline. Judo is better at takedowns in the clinch but worse against the shot for example. However it would seem to be an epic job that would grind any others improvements to a complete halt. yeah that was my original thought as well, but I can imagine the dismay the guys that work on the fight engine would have. Wrestling or Judo Kick boxing or Muay Thai BJJ or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 yeah that was my original thought as well, but I can imagine the dismay the guys that work on the fight engine would have. Wrestling or Judo Kick boxing or Muay Thai BJJ or ? I'm not entirely sure why it would be any more difficult than just adding extra primaries. In fact, I'm fairly sure it would be easier as you could enter either/or code rather than completely rewrite everything. Either way, it is still a massive job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPowell1990 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not entirely sure why it would be any more difficult than just adding extra primaries. In fact, I'm fairly sure it would be easier as you could enter either/or code rather than completely rewrite everything. Either way, it is still a massive job. True, I just meant adding stuff in general. The easiest thing would be to limit skill points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 True, I just meant adding stuff in general. The easiest thing would be to limit skill points I'm not sure why you would want to limit skill points.You want your best fighters to be great as that is what modern MMA fighters are as long as they can only maintain that status for a finite amount of time. Lack of diversity amongst those fighters that is leading to a staggering number of decisions is a fair point though. I imagine (I obviously have no actual knowledge) that such a move would be advantageous in attracting more players. However it is obviously a huge commitment and the game would need to be in a position of happy stasis before such a move could be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPowell1990 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not sure why you would want to limit skill points.You want your best fighters to be great as that is what modern MMA fighters are as long as they can only maintain that status for a finite amount of time. Lack of diversity amongst those fighters that is leading to a staggering number of decisions is a fair point though. I imagine (I obviously have no actual knowledge) that such a move would be advantageous in attracting more players. However it is obviously a huge commitment and the game would need to be in a position of happy stasis before such a move could be made. That is what I'm saying. Elite fighters are virtually the same outside of hiddens, a feature we can't control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtieBanks Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I think you can count on one or two hands how many Judo fighters are at an elite level. Lets forget about Ronda, because WMMA is still in a very basic stage right now. Karo, Manny, Akiyama and a couple of guys from Pride. I don't think it is big enough to get its own category over things such as Kickboxing, TKD etc, which would give diversity to kicks and striking as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPowell1990 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I think you can count on one or two hands how many Judo fighters are at an elite level. Lets forget about Ronda, because WMMA is still in a very basic stage right now. Karo, Manny, Akiyama and a couple of guys from Pride. I don't think it is big enough to get its own category over things such as Kickboxing, TKD etc, which would give diversity to kicks and striking as a whole. I would agree with that. Just throwing things out there. The only issue is all of those intersect with muay thai striking some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracers Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 For SURE judo at least. possibly sambo and/or taekwondo aswell. Judo would obviously incorporate a lot more judo style throws, help in all takedowns aspects as defensive and offensive along with having a big advantage in clinch wrestling. Would obviously still incorporate submissions and def grappling. Sambo would be mainly wrestling with some submissions and boxing > kicks but a little kicks. Taekwondo would give variety of kicks and more dexterity or work on physicals aswell as kicks. There are a lot more judo players in MMA than people think. It is highly underused in the sport though imo there is a reason you see a lot of top level judokas dominating a lot of submission grappling contests along with a lot of pure wrestling contests even.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loveladdy Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 I would love to see a few more styles implemented and maybe they won't affect to much of the primaries, sort of like they minored in it in college so they may have a likely hood of using more flavor text incorporating those moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 I was thinking about this some more earlier. If it was possible to simply make it so you could choose between boxing/kick boxing, Muay Thai/ Karate, Wrestling/Sambo, BJJ/Judo then you would suddenly have 16 possible combinations that would instantly have a game that looks far more varied. Potential bonuses could be small (and not precisely representative) as well. Boxing +5% hands/ kickboxing +5% kicks. Karate +5% clinch takedown/ Muay Thai 5% clinch strikes. Wrestling 5% shoot takedowns/ Sambo +5% GNP. BJJ +5% submissions/ Judo +5% transitions. This would have the advantage of being very simple to understand for new players. Not be overpowering in mismatches (a 5% bonus of a competent wrestler would still be worse than a strong Sambo guy) but would add new wrinkles to top level competition where hiddens are all powerful. *Couple of end notes. These may not be the ideal pairs or bonuses. Also, I realise this has been done a million times before but it makes me feel better getting my thoughts out there so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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