KingEpicity Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Communism ended as soon Lenin died, from then onward it was a form of tight spread control at all costs by Stalin, he used the wrong doctrine to spread communism, to exists you need to spread it to the whole world, thats what both of them wanted, but Stalin used the wrong doctrine to spread it (spread it by force, which is an antithesis of communism), then when Stalin was assassinated, Soviet Union under Kruschev onward was some sort of a slowly dyng experiment or monster, with too many holes to fill both in its economy and bureocracy. On paper it is a good form in which you can build a state, possibly the best political-economical-social form of ruling, but in order to work and exists, it have to be enforced on the whole world, which is kinda impossible to do. Yep exactly. Stalin's regime can hardly be called communism with how the USSR operated under him. Many of the things he did come in direct conflict with the ideals of communism. Yet it's the perfect example of why achieving communism is impossible... All it takes is one regime change to flip everything on it's head and suddenly the great idea becomes a living hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlow73 Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 My Facebook Profile pic says it all.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockg Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yep exactly. Stalin's regime can hardly be called communism with how the USSR operated under him. Many of the things he did come in direct conflict with the ideals of communism. Yet it's the perfect example of why achieving communism is impossible... All it takes is one regime change to flip everything on it's head and suddenly the great idea becomes a living hell. I agree in practice so far, communism has mostly been fascism, oligarchy or dicatorship in practice. Marx's idea of a historical/future dialect hasn't been realized yet. We haven't seen much true communism in the world, because we haven't seen long term socialism. Under Marxist theory socialism is the byproduct of how fucked up everything gets because of capitalism. At the same time, he put forward that communism was impossible without long term socialism. Socialism is post scarcity, which would change people's view and socialize them to care about and be caretakers of their fellow people, while remaining autonomous and free. Only after long term socialism does true communism come forward. We haven't seen this yet. Anyway, so far communism sucks. I think it would work under the Marx model; I just think he underestimated (while giving it huge credit at the same time) just how powerful capitalist systems can be. Not only with the rate they are able to generate and consolidate money, but how much people would love it, even while getting the shaft in the grand economic scheme of things. His theories give most humans too much credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichioKaku Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Communism may just the most misunderstood term ever when people are talking politics. Usually it's only Stalinism they think they are talking about, not communism as a whole. Clinton is anything but a communist tho she is a million other things like a bitch, cbomb, liar, corrupt, two-faced etc etc. It's a silly notion especially since both the liberals and conservatives and the rest of the Dems or Rebs are all capitalism at heart. Communism in it's original form actually had some good ideology to go along with it. Of course it all sounded good on writing but as seen with our history the attempted execution of actually reaching a true communist society has been drastic. Tho I always found it funny how much the word has become synonymous with evil when capitalism gets a complete pass despite it's flaws. The 1% keeps getting richer while the rest of us fight and claw to make enough money to support our families comfortably. You can call it freedom and it is, because the corporations are free to do whatever they want and while freedom is nice in then since, it also allows them to destroy small business, outsource as many jobs as they can to save money and then because they control the job market and people need jobs they can pay as little as they possible can while doing whatever they can to avoid passing health insurance. Countless big companies in America adopted a new part-time job policy to counter health insurance by insuring their employees don't work enough hours to qualify. Hell, if they raise minimum wage in our country to $15/hour (which it damn well should, the cost of living has increased therefore so should minimum wage) then companies are just going to start laying off employees left and right. For mid-level and small businesses they will do this just to stay alive and stay in business because of their bigger competitors. The large corporations will do it because they want to make 5 billion a year not 4. Gotta love the world we live in. People just clawing away to make it in the USA with there new 70 inch tv, smart phones, cars and computers all on the backs of the top 1% all hooked up to the internet while on food stamps and welfare. And what do you mean they control the job market? Obama is out there every month saying how many jobs he created. I don't know why you think it's odd to avoid a law which makes it a crime which forces you to buy something. This is the only law I know of that makes you a criminal the second you come out of your mother womb if she doesn't have you insured. 1 millisecond into the world and your a criminal already, great law. So great that we had to pass the law in order to find out what was in it~ Pelosi. Now these savior health plans are going up so fast in price(they already were twice as bad from the start) that people and companies have to leave the system this law created but that is the businesses fault from what I read of your post. So yeah increase of living is going up...part of which is forced on you by a super majority party line vote and the rest is the devaluation of the dollar do to over spending by our government that thinks spending more than it takes in despite raising taxes every year is a good thing. That is both sides of the isle Corporations do what they must to make a profit. Insuring entry level positions meant for 16YO kids is not profitable and regardless of what you think of these big companies, it is their job to make money, not make your life easy(that is your job). It is their jobs, they make them, they own them and they can ship jobs overseas away from the hardest hitting business taxes in all of the modern countries. Its also funny you mention that they pay as little as possible when on average companies pay more than the minimum wage. Even McDonalds pays an average of 10 bucks an hour. Raise the minimum wage, yay. Another thing the government has no right to be involved in but you are all for it when you know it is going to have a net loss of jobs(and possibly closed businesses you half way point out). The minimum wage should be 0 dollars and 0 cents. These are private companies and if your a lazy ass flipping burgers, how does the government that gets just about nothing done right decide what your worth is over a company that is directly involved in your life? It is only fitting that unions get a pass on both of these laws. Liberal voters gots to protect themselves. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEpicity Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 People just clawing away to make it in the USA with there new 70 inch tv, smart phones, cars and computers all on the backs of the top 1% all hooked up to the internet while on food stamps and welfare. And what do you mean they control the job market? Obama is out there every month saying how many jobs he created. I don't know why you think it's odd to avoid a law which makes it a crime which forces you to buy something. This is the only law I know of that makes you a criminal the second you come out of your mother womb if she doesn't have you insured. 1 millisecond into the world and your a criminal already, great law. So great that we had to pass the law in order to find out what was in it~ Pelosi. Now these savior health plans are going up so fast in price(they already were twice as bad from the start) that people and companies have to leave the system this law created but that is the businesses fault from what I read of your post. So yeah increase of living is going up...part of which is forced on you by a super majority party line vote and the rest is the devaluation of the dollar do to over spending by our government that thinks spending more than it takes in despite raising taxes every year is a good thing. That is both sides of the isle Corporations do what they must to make a profit. Insuring entry level positions meant for 16YO kids is not profitable and regardless of what you think of these big companies, it is their job to make money, not make your life easy(that is your job). It is their jobs, they make them, they own them and they can ship jobs overseas away from the hardest hitting business taxes in all of the modern countries. Its also funny you mention that they pay as little as possible when on average companies pay more than the minimum wage. Even McDonalds pays an average of 10 bucks an hour. Raise the minimum wage, yay. Another thing the government has no right to be involved in but you are all for it when you know it is going to have a net loss of jobs(and possibly closed businesses you half way point out). The minimum wage should be 0 dollars and 0 cents. These are private companies and if your a lazy ass flipping burgers, how does the government that gets just about nothing done right decide what your worth is over a company that is directly involved in your life? It is only fitting that unions get a pass on both of these laws. Liberal voters gots to protect themselves. I agree with a bit of what you said but some of it just reeks of ignorance about certain areas of the country where the job market is almost nonexistent. No, I can't simply move away either because I still have family values and have a grandma to take care of. I have also have 2 kids and have never gotten food stamps or welfare. Pretty sure I wouldn't even be eligible as you have to have a bunch of kids and deal drugs so you can report no income apparently. The job market where I live is in the worst state I have seen in my life so I could care less what the president or liberals have to say about creating jobs. I basically said that raising minimum wage would only backfire severely despite us disagreeing on whether minimum wage should even exist. It does exist for a reason tho... because as much as I love freedom it also gives companies freedom to take advantage of people and certain job markets (like the one I live in) and pay 5 dollars an hour and tell people how lucky they are because at least they are working. There are many things I disagree with in a welfare state but having a minimum wage is not one of them. 15 dollars may be a little high but 8 dollars is too low imo. There are downsides to capitalism but there is a reason this is the world we live in. Right now it's the best we got and until some idea comes along that can do things better this is what we are with. I was just raving a good ol rant about how frustrating it can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichioKaku Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 There are many things I disagree with in a welfare state but having a minimum wage is not one of them. 15 dollars may be a little high but 8 dollars is too low imo. This is why we have the 10th amendment. If your state wants to raise to have and raise the minimum wage, fine. But 8 dollars an hour here in fly over country is enough to live on. I don't want the minimum wage to go up further devaluing the dollar and making prices go up even more which has been a vicious cycle since it was brought in by Roosevelt. And no i have no idea what the job market is like where you are at all. I don't need to know. Your state and local governments and the people living there do though. You seem like a like minded guy to me on most views I think so I am not simply blasting you to blast you. Its just ever action the government takes doesn't have an equal an opposite reaction, its usually much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 You know that Mussolini and Hitler were both socialists, right? LMFAO....Mussolini grew up as a Socialist, but in fact he was the Fascist creator, so that would make him....You still with me? Fascist! Now I know this one is going to blow your fucking tiny mind....Hitler was a Totalitarian and Autocrat as well as a 'National Socialist' which is not really the same as a 'Socialist....A National Socialist is what we call a Nazi. I'm sorry, but you say you are so much more educated than I am....Tell me again about your education? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'll take an orange buffoon over a treasonous neo-con criminal any day of the week. This is proof that she lied to Congress when she said that arms were not funneled to al qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist organizations. Seriously, you needed more proof? Oh ya, forgot you voted for the "Democratic Socialist" so that makes sense.....Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 business in the usa always find new ways to save a buck Have any of you ever heard of this before my brother was working at a mgf plant here in tennessee The plant pays 12.50 a hour to start you must have a high school diplom or ged nothing wrong with that but here is the thing the factory has its own in house temp staffing job service that only staffs for that factory you dont have to have a ged or high school diplom you do the same jobs as the other workers of the planted but the most you can make is 8 dollars a hour ? you can work through their in house staffing service for as long as you want but you can never be hired on to the place unless you have a ged ETC you do the same work but for way less money most who work there even if they have a ged or high school diplom start threw there temp thing for at least a year some more and when they do get the job they go from 8 to 12 dollars a hour and they are doing the same job as before i dont get how if you dont have a degree you can still work there and do the same job as everyone else does but you can only make 8 dollars makes no fucking sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueFalcon Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm impressed this is still 50-50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 If you think Clinton is a communist you either know nothing about Clinton or nothing about Communism. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. The Marxist-Leninist doctrine advocating revolution to overthrow the capitalist system and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat that will eventually evolve into a perfectly egalitarian and communal society. In short, that is Clinton all the way.....Next? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm impressed this is still 50-50. If there was a 3rd option of non of the above I'm betting it wouldn't be 50/50. But that can also be an indicator of just how alike these 2 power hungry candidates really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichioKaku Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 business in the usa always find new ways to save a buck Have any of you ever heard of this before my brother was working at a mgf plant here in tennessee The plant pays 12.50 a hour to start you must have a high school diplom or ged nothing wrong with that but here is the thing the factory has its own in house temp staffing job service that only staffs for that factory you dont have to have a ged or high school diplom you do the same jobs as the other workers of the planted but the most you can make is 8 dollars a hour ? you can work through their in house staffing service for as long as you want but you can never be hired on to the place unless you have a ged ETC you do the same work but for way less money most who work there even if they have a ged or high school diplom start threw there temp thing for at least a year some more and when they do get the job they go from 8 to 12 dollars a hour and they are doing the same job as before i dont get how if you dont have a degree you can still work there and do the same job as everyone else does but you can only make 8 dollars makes no fucking sense to me The company is advocating for you to have a basic education and you disapprove? Here is a raise for going to go get your GED, the nerve of these businesses paying people more who have a higher education. Besides, its high school..... people skate through high school or get there GED after dropping out when they are 16 without even studying. I am one of those people. School wasn't for me, though I manages d's and c's and did nothing but sleep in class...My cousin who is the black sheep of the family being in Jail now and most of his life graduated and doesn't even know how to read, he can barely sign his name the last time i saw him 10+ years ago. Thanks to teachers not being able to be fired in this country they just pass kids through so they don't have to see them again. Get your diploma or GED and your issue turns into a non issue. It is all up to you on your out come in that situation, every bit of it. You don't have to take your skills to this company if you disapprove and go somewhere else, the same with purchasing their goods and services. The free market at work. Its better than everyone being forced to work for 2 bucks an hour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEpicity Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 The company is advocating for you to have a basic education and you disapprove? Here is a raise for going to go get your GED, the nerve of these businesses paying people more who have a higher education. Besides, its high school..... people skate through high school or get there GED after dropping out when they are 16 without even studying. I am one of those people. School wasn't for me, though I manages d's and c's and did nothing but sleep in class...My cousin who is the black sheep of the family being in Jail now and most of his life graduated and doesn't even know how to read, he can barely sign his name the last time i saw him 10+ years ago. Thanks to teachers not being able to be fired in this country they just pass kids through so they don't have to see them again. Get your diploma or GED and your issue turns into a non issue. It is all up to you on your out come in that situation, every bit of it. You don't have to take your skills to this company if you disapprove and go somewhere else, the same with purchasing their goods and services. The free market at work. Its better than everyone being forced to work for 2 bucks an hour. This. And as to how they are allowed to do that it's quite simple. It might vary per state but most companies pay more or less depending on your experience and education. If you get hired with 4 years experience you will be making more than someone who started their with 0. Same with education, it's nothing wrong with that as you should have your GED at the very least to expect a job in the first place. Is it kind of exploitative with the big difference in pay? Sure but they aren't expecting as much out of the people with zero education and as you mentioned, they have opportunities to become full time after proving themselves to be competent and/or getting education and then making the same cash as everyone else. They are also allowed to pay much differently because of the difference of job titles from full time/part time and seasonal/temp. While I agree 4.50 dollars is a big difference it should also be a motivation to get a damn GED. It's not hard, I got a real diploma after graduating high school and I was high through the entirety of 10-12 grades. Minimum wage without a GED/Diploma is pretty much the best you can hope for aside from certain trades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichioKaku Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Minimum wage without a GED/Diploma is pretty much the best you can hope for aside from certain trades. and that's not 15 bucks an hour minimum wage right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Hillary Clinton’s campaign: ‘Nothing short of a disaster’ I'm starting to think it's going to take some shady shit at the polls for hildawg to pull this one out. There is still the wikileaks "october surprise" release coming, which is supposed to be the most damning yet, as well as the debates (which I dont think she will have a chance in hell of winning). Elections get fixed all the time though, nothing will really be shocking. I doubt either one will win another term. Maybe 2020 is the election where we actually get some say in the government again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xanax Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 Can't bring myself to vote for either of those fucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlow73 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 I'm not voting for either of them and even though my candidate isn't allowed in the debates through shady means (like out of the top 5 polls that determine who is allowed in the debates, one didn't poll under the age of 35, one didn't poll independents, and one hasn't polled anybody in the last two months) I'm still voting for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Hillary Clinton’s campaign: ‘Nothing short of a disaster’ I'm starting to think it's going to take some shady shit at the polls for hildawg to pull this one out. There is still the wikileaks "october surprise" release coming, which is supposed to be the most damning yet, as well as the debates (which I dont think she will have a chance in hell of winning). Elections get fixed all the time though, nothing will really be shocking. I doubt either one will win another term. Maybe 2020 is the election where we actually get some say in the government again. Trump is still well behind, unless Hillary makes a hash of the debates I think she gets home pretty easily. Now one area there's a chance for Trump to do well in the debates is to stay calm and try to frustrate Hillary -- Obama employed that tactic to great effect in 2008, but I'm not sure it's in Trumps style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1rstSaint Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Vote for whomever you want, but this World is far beyond fucked. There are no true leaders anymore and soon it will literally be a dog eat dog world we live in. Get a gun learn how to use it and protect your shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniConor Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 funny ish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbourne Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 First debate is one hour away. Predictions? I've got Trump winning in the fourth via doctor stoppage. Then he gets on the mic and calls out every Mexican. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Just stayed up until 4am to watch the debate. Anyone else? For some reason I found myself rooting for Trump for the first half hour or so. Then he went off on a big rant, God knows about what, and he kinda lost it for me. Clinton found it very easy to appear calm and composed in contrast to that, so she ended it much stronger imo. But perhaps that's just his personality to be aggressive and domineering, doesn't necessarily mean he's out of control. I reckon it'll just end up with her winning by a small margin, like its looked likely for a while, like the polls say. Shame for the antagonism, he could've been a good trade negotiator for her government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Just stayed up until 4am to watch the debate. Anyone else? For some reason I found myself rooting for Trump for the first half hour or so. Then he went off on a big rant, God knows about what, and he kinda lost it for me. Clinton found it very easy to appear calm and composed in contrast to that, so she ended it much stronger imo. But perhaps that's just his personality to be aggressive and domineering, doesn't necessarily mean he's out of control. I reckon it'll just end up with her winning by a small margin, like its looked likely for a while, like the polls say. Shame for the antagonism, he could've been a good trade negotiator for her government. TRUMP kicked her stupid ass I dont know what you were watching... get some sleep =) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 First debate is one hour away. Predictions? I've got Trump winning in the fourth via doctor stoppage. Then he gets on the mic and calls out every Mexican. Your kind of simple aint ya =P 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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