JakeF Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Long story short, me and some other players had a discussion about this and turned out we share a similar opinion on that case, I informed Mike about it but I doubt he will ever spend time checking it. Anyway, feels like that in a fight if you get your opponent rocked and don't manage to finish him, he recovers and becomes much much stronger than he was at the start at the fight, while logic should speak the opposite. I mean no matter how big heart you do have, you can't turn into an unstoppable force after you are hurt badly. I mean you can recover, survive the end of the fight, but not become a much much better fighter. So I want to hear oppinions from experienced managers on that topic because I think there might be some error with the code. Not a programmer, but It feels like either when heart hidden boosts skills it boosts them more than it should or probably when fighter recovers from getting rocked, he recovers to the state he was in the beginning or the fight(full energy, no damage taken etc.). This happens more often at lower weights because with bigger guys you get a finish in most of the cases when you rock your opponent. Have you ever had fights when you let your opponent recover senses and get destroyed by him? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skull Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 I've seen a few times where when you rock a fighter with good heart in the clinch they become unhittable until the next round. It caused a former fighter of mine to gas out and subsequently lose shortly after. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=897336 Dutroux recovers and destroys Da Silva. Dutroux popped intelligent left and in one fight showed worse chin message vs solid chin. So TOTT hierarchy hints he doesnt even have big heart. http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=896565 Oliveira got rocked, recovered, kept eating 80% damage shots from a KO power guy for 5 rounds and won the decision like a boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Test em for Gamma Radiation then ban em from the game when they test positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHL Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Ever seen a Justin Gaethje fight? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 would say its not only big heart but also confidence combined with heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornmma1 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Getting rocked and then coming back directly with a KO, I love those! Hoi tries to clinch but is not successful on this occasion. Volkov pulls out of a head kick attempt. Volkov throws a nice head kick! http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked2.gifHoi is rocked! Volkov looks to throw a body kick and Hoi counters with a stiff right hand. Volkov throws a big shot that misses. Volkov misses with a leg kick and Hoi counters with a big right hand! Oh Volkov is in trouble here! Hoi follows up with more strikes and that's it! The ref has stopped it! Ladies and gentlemen, after 3:43 of round 3, we have a winner by way of TKO (Strikes). Fabian Hoi!Post fight, Fabian Hoi took to the microphone: 'It was an honor fighting a member of the Volkov family! '. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I love these Mandukvong throws a poor cross that misses http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/knockdown2.gif and Haymon counters with a crisp right hand that drops Mandukvong! Haymon lets Mandukvong back up to his feet, looking for a finish!http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked2.gifMandukvong is rocked! Mandukvong looks to throw the jab but Haymon is out of range. Haymon uses good footwork to avoid the strikes from Mandukvong. Haymon walks into a stiff left hand from Mandukvong. http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked.gifHaymon is rocked! Mandukvong fakes the leg kick and throws a superman punch. It's knocked Haymon out cold! Brutal finish!Ladies and gentlemen, after 3:24 of round 1, we have a winner by way of KO (Superman Punch). Tong Mandukvong!Tong Mandukvong retains his super heavyweight title! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Bjorn and Camara - your examples are not what I was asking for in the thread. None of the fighters recovered after getting rocked. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=897336 That one could just been bad luck. He landed 2 combo's back to back then the final punch that rocked you. Unless your guy is a easy bleeder, he was probably throwing heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 That one could just been bad luck. He landed 2 combo's back to back then the final punch that rocked you. Unless your guy is a easy bleeder, he was probably throwing heat. To land combos with high damage and such efficiency u need to be better than your opponent or have higher energy. The fact he landed them makes me think that he recovered to a better state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=799086 This one will make you wonder? 1:30 http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked2.gif Rocked him 2:30 still not recovered - http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/knockdown2.gif with a head kick " Oh Templeton is still all over the place! His legs are completely gone! Will he be able to recover?!! http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/knockdown2.gif with a combo "Clark drops Templeton with a beautiful combination! Templeton stares up at his opponent, who ushers him back to his feet - Clark is looking for the KO!" 3:15 "Templeton seems to have got his legs back now." 3:55 http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked.gif Clark is rocked! Don't think I ever saw rocking a guy then dropping him twice before he recovers and not get a finish. But Templeton has good heart and seems to survive a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted November 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=799086 This one will make you wonder? 1:30 http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked2.gif Rocked him 2:30 still not recovered - http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/knockdown2.gif with a head kick " Oh Templeton is still all over the place! His legs are completely gone! Will he be able to recover?!! http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/knockdown2.gif with a combo "Clark drops Templeton with a beautiful combination! Templeton stares up at his opponent, who ushers him back to his feet - Clark is looking for the KO!" 3:15 "Templeton seems to have got his legs back now." 3:55 http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked.gif Clark is rocked! Don't think I ever saw rocking a guy then dropping him twice before he recovers and not get a finish. But Templeton has good heart and seems to survive a lot. And after Templeton recovered, he destroyed Clark. Dunno, looks weird to me to be ably to KO someone after getting knocked down multiple times. Also after recovering, it seems that Templeton started landing with higher rate. We can just guess but I think this code is worth a check by Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornmma1 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=799086 This one will make you wonder? 1:30 http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked2.gif Rocked him 2:30 still not recovered - http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/knockdown2.gif with a head kick " Oh Templeton is still all over the place! His legs are completely gone! Will he be able to recover?!! http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/knockdown2.gif with a combo "Clark drops Templeton with a beautiful combination! Templeton stares up at his opponent, who ushers him back to his feet - Clark is looking for the KO!" 3:15 "Templeton seems to have got his legs back now." 3:55 http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/fight/rocked.gif Clark is rocked! Don't think I ever saw rocking a guy then dropping him twice before he recovers and not get a finish. But Templeton has good heart and seems to survive a lot. Knockdown\rocked-party http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=805314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra7 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=899436 Round 1 I was rocked and was amazing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 It certainly doesn't happen often in my experience. Here's twice I can remember: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=891663. Welterweight fight. My guy is rocked in round 2, recovers and wins by KO in round 3. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=845282 LHW fight. My guy is rocked within 90 seconds, gets knocked down a further four times! and somehow survives for a draw. As I say it seems rare, and these wins (ok one's a draw!) are some of my favourite moments in my career. 99.98% of the time it's : knocked down, rocked, finished 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=884777 My fighter had a pretty good fight not too long ago that this thread reminded me of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think a lot of the time it's due to the fighter who had the upper hand initially gassing the fuck out rather than the recovering fighter turning into superman? That said, the fact a fighter can lose a round taking no significant damage and scoring 2 knockdowns is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think a lot of the time it's due to the fighter who had the upper hand initially gassing the fuck out rather than the recovering fighter turning into superman? Thought about that before, but I have had it happen in fights where my fighter was with 10-20% aggression and finished the fight with energy advantage so gassing out shouldn't be the reason. I think I have tried to figure out all possible reasons for this to happen till I came up with that idea that something might be wrong with recovery coding. That said, the fact a fighter can lose a round taking no significant damage and scoring 2 knockdowns is ridiculous. Yeah, scoring on MMA fight engine isn't adjusted so knockdowns are valued high. If rules are KT, it is fixed but dunno why it is not for MMA. I have seen a KT round with 3 knockdowns scored as 10-7 by all three judges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Knockdowns previously scored 15 points + 1 to 15 depending on damage. I would assume that is still unchanged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=862067 Check this KT fight, this thing never happens on MMA rules. There for an 10-8 round u need to hit ur opponent a lot without him doing anything and still could be a regular 10-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooncutter Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 I've seen hundreds of fights, and this hasn't been a problem for me even once. I was never the victim of it, or the benefactor. It just never occured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageMMa Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Long story short, me and some other players had a discussion about this and turned out we share a similar opinion on that case, I informed Mike about it but I doubt he will ever spend time checking it. Anyway, feels like that in a fight if you get your opponent rocked and don't manage to finish him, he recovers and becomes much much stronger than he was at the start at the fight, while logic should speak the opposite. I mean no matter how big heart you do have, you can't turn into an unstoppable force after you are hurt badly. I mean you can recover, survive the end of the fight, but not become a much much better fighter. So I want to hear oppinions from experienced managers on that topic because I think there might be some error with the code. Not a programmer, but It feels like either when heart hidden boosts skills it boosts them more than it should or probably when fighter recovers from getting rocked, he recovers to the state he was in the beginning or the fight(full energy, no damage taken etc.). This happens more often at lower weights because with bigger guys you get a finish in most of the cases when you rock your opponent. Have you ever had fights when you let your opponent recover senses and get destroyed by him? THAT could come down to a lot of things!!! AND just to state my opinion, yes people, especially professional fighters can recover and get very dangerous! They can get rocked and get pissed off (to an extent)and be more dangerous, their opponent could be over zealous and start swinging wildly and get caught, they could go into fight mode and swing something crazy and completely change the tide of the fight, the opponent could give them too much time to recover, some people go 100% into wrestling so they can recover and after they recover they are fine... some people get rocked in real life and recover in an instant and the fight always remain competitive... The fact you THINK that a rocked or hurt fighter with a lot of heart is not just as dangerous if not more dangerous in certain situations after he got hurt is absolutely funny to me... Especially if they are powerful, even when you are rocked, if you can set your feet for even a split second and throw something that lands, you can end the fight... A LOT of fighters in the pro fight game have trained and sparred so much, some things become second nature even when you are rocked... Also, a high IQ fighter will be able to stay away from any damage until he is okay...(idk about on the game but in real life) LMAO to prove my point I have seen urijah faber a couple times in his career get rocked or clipped and in the replays his eyes rolled back, but his arms went back to catch himself and he popped right up, he didn't get finished in those fights. He actually just got finished for the first time in his career and he was rocked a few times and hit with massive shots and he still recovered as soon as he hit the canvas. The ref saved him from more damage but my point is some people are hard to put away and even if you get close, you still aren't close to finishing it. There have been fights in mma history where people got dominated almost the whole fight and still won in the last 10 seconds of the fight... There is no error in the coding my friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageMMa Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Go look up best mma comebacks and best back and fourth mma fights... You'll see people getting rocked over and over and still win the fight... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 This is one of my best comebacks. https://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=982687 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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