bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 What in the actual hell is up with this. I could see declining a fight if you feel way overmatched or the offer isn't anywhere in the ball park of a competitive fight. Why would one top 900 fighter turn down a fight with another top 900 fighter for a title eliminator right? You're saying you want to fight a can instead? Should an org owner just cut these fighters? Problem being I just paid a big bonus to sign them. SMH 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Yeah this is a big problem at all levels. I was chatting with RFC`s Jay Stanley because his champion Hopkins was asking for a contract on chat. So before sending the contract I checked with Jay and he confirmed Hopkin`s manager kept refusing the tough fights so he had no choice but to strip his title and boot him out of the org https://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=340364 I had to also strip his title at FARTMMA because of the same reason, this is the guy he was dodging: https://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=340646 His biggest mistake was to do that to tev who is the Underground org owner, right now all 3 owners are very tight so we will not tolerate this. Not sure what will happen to Hopkins, probably train until he is capped? In any case, skills start declining if your guy doesn`t fight so kind of a waste to do that to a good prospect instead of just facing tough opposition and maybe losing a few. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Ok maybe I looked at that wrong. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 55 p4p vs 1026 p4p is a fight that makes sense to you? I declined maybe 2-3 fights throughout the years, at your butt buddies org(Peterhoff fight club), for this exact reason. If he would have declined a fight that made sense, that's one thing, but this fight is a joke. Any normal manager declines it any day of the week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Why does the 55 decline the fight though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseppe Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Yeah this is a big problem at all levels. I was chatting with RFC`s Jay Stanley because his champion Hopkins was asking for a contract on chat. So before sending the contract I checked with Jay and he confirmed Hopkin`s manager kept refusing the tough fights so he had no choice but to strip his title and boot him out of the org https://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=340364 I had to also strip his title at FARTMMA because of the same reason, this is the guy he was dodging: https://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=340646 His biggest mistake was to do that to tev who is the Underground org owner, right now all 3 owners are very tight so we will not tolerate this. Not sure what will happen to Hopkins, probably train until he is capped? In any case, skills start declining if your guy doesn`t fight so kind of a waste to do that to a good prospect instead of just facing tough opposition and maybe losing a few. Know the facts before you talk shit & btw here: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506810625025114113/676666277053464576/Screenshot_2020-02-11_MMA_Tycoon_Contracts.png 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Why does the 55 decline the fight though? Because there is no reward. 55 rank beating a 1000k rank gets 55 to 52 p4p. Every manager strives to get their fighter up the rank, this fight makes no sense for the 55 ranked guy, and is a gift for the 1000 ranked guy, with nothing at all to lose. Plus(and this is just a sidenote), look at the 1000 ranked fighters opponents. He beat walking cans, and the moment he faced someone half decent, he lost. You don't see a top 5 p4p fighter in UFC fighting some joe shmoe off the street right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Why does the 55 decline the fight though? If you have much higher hype than your opponent, you gain nothing when you beat him and you lose a lot if you get defeated. Org owners should not book such joke fights and better build a solid contender in a few fights instead of throwing such fighter to the champion. It is not about being scared to fight him, it is about not having much sense in that fight. Will Jon Jones for example be scared to fight you? - I guess no. Will he agree to fight you? - Most likely no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joseppe Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 The fight i asked for 2 week ago but someone shit out. Does anyone know who this fighters manager is im still trying to get an answer 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 If you have much higher hype than your opponent, you gain nothing when you beat him and you lose a lot if you get defeated. Org owners should not book such joke fights and better build a solid contender in a few fights instead of throwing such fighter to the champion. It is not about being scared to fight him, it is about not having much sense in that fight. Will Jon Jones for example be scared to fight you? - I guess no. Will he agree to fight you? - Most likely no. This makes sense at least. But should the champ be worried about hype? That may work in some orgs, but sometimes we little guys try and build a contender and then the champ is pissed he isn't getting offered fights. I suppose you can't please everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeF Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 This makes sense at least. But should the champ be worried about hype? That may work in some orgs, but sometimes we little guys try and build a contender and then the champ is pissed he isn't getting offered fights. I suppose you can't please everyone Well, you can discuss that stuff with the champ's manager so he isn't pissed. Tell him for example, dude there is no one anywhere close to your fighter atm, you can either sit out a couple of months while we build a contender, or take this fight if you want to. Also you can do a super fight with other division's champion (145lb champ vs 155lb champ for example) or do a super fight with another org which has similar ID restrictions to yours. Very often org's interests cross with fighter's interests - the org owner wants to get his main event booked without much effort and neglecting the fighter's interests like what has most likely happened at RFC, but you shouldn't be that org owner. Whenever I get such a joke fight at some org, I am accepting it cause I don't like rejecting fight offers, but once my contract is finished there is no way Id fight at the said org ever again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsieur.Camara Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 yeah that`s after I got the ok from Jay , I sent you a contract as you asked. You declined it no big deal. But 100% Jay confirmed , her is our email exchange: Hopkins just asked me for a contract 2020-02-09 05:29:40 what happened? Re: Hopkins just asked me for a contract 2020-02-09 07:58:39 Wasn't accepting bout offers, told him if he wasn't happy with the fights I could offer he was free to find bigger hyped fights elsewhere Wasn`t accepting fight offers = stripped from title Those are the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseppe Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 yeah that`s after I got the ok from Jay , I sent you a contract as you asked. You declined it no big deal. But 100% Jay confirmed , her is our email exchange: Hopkins just asked me for a contract 2020-02-09 05:29:40what happened? Re: Hopkins just asked me for a contract 2020-02-09 07:58:39Wasn't accepting bout offers, told him if he wasn't happy with the fights I could offer he was free to find bigger hyped fights elsewhere Wasn`t accepting fight offers = stripped from title Those are the facts. But you are talking bollocks like always. Jay didnt boot me out of anywhere he asked me & i told him if that was the case then id leave. I asked you for a contract to see if you was actually stupid enough to send one & hey oh you didnt disappoint. Again you decide to talk for every org owner at 340k & are completely full of shit and just make yourself look even more stupid & at this point i really dont know how that is possible 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Receipts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageMMa Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I decline all fights 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I've had a couple that did Savage. So of the 1000 p4p had crazy high hype then it would be a good fight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseppe Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I've had a couple that did Savage. So of the 1000 p4p had crazy high hype then it would be a good fight? Everyone in this thread with half a brain knows if hype was closer the fight would be happening. When camara says anything the best thing to do is believe 1% truth and 99% just take as horse shit because youll find hes a clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseppe Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Yeah this is a big problem at all levels. I was chatting with RFC`s Jay Stanley because his champion Hopkins was asking for a contract on chat. So before sending the contract I checked with Jay and he confirmed Hopkin`s manager kept refusing the tough fights so he had no choice but to strip his title and boot him out of the org https://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=340364 I had to also strip his title at FARTMMA because of the same reason, this is the guy he was dodging: https://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=340646 His biggest mistake was to do that to tev who is the Underground org owner, right now all 3 owners are very tight so we will not tolerate this. Not sure what will happen to Hopkins, probably train until he is capped? In any case, skills start declining if your guy doesn`t fight so kind of a waste to do that to a good prospect instead of just facing tough opposition and maybe losing a few. We already know the guys a clown but if theres any doubt: As far as i know theres 3 orgs at 340k RFC Underground FARTMMA So all 3 orgs are very tight so wont tolerate this & that would imply they had no interest in signing my fighter. RFC i just left Underground sent me a contract as did FARTMMA(both shown above) who btw is owned by Camara himself Now either im going insane or they are not as tight as it seems and its Camara just talking his typical bullshit & coming unstuck again 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Everyone in this thread with half a brain knows if hype was closer the fight would be happening. When camara says anything the best thing to do is believe 1% truth and 99% just take as horse shit because youll find hes a clown I clearly do not have half a brain. I would have never figured out why a sitting champ would decline that fight. Live and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseppe Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 I clearly do not have half a brain. I would have never figured out why a sitting champ would decline that fight. Live and learn. Wasnt actually direct at you just Camara as he knows this but just plays the game jester to start a bit of dramarama because hes nothing better to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobloblaw Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 No worries man. I'm just trying to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyJoeC Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Managers with a belt that want to hold up a weightclass and sit out for months waiting for acceptable fights are not worth having in your org Bob. An org that panders to one to the detriment of the rest is one I would leave when my contracts up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tev Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Btw ima offer anyone with hype and rank a contract but he will get hard fights if he declines i drop i do not hold fighters no matter how much i pay for em of they wnt fight then we put em on a flight with that said anyone need a contract lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imcool Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Btw ima offer anyone with hype and rank a contract but he will get hard fights if he declines i drop i do not hold fighters no matter how much i pay for em of they wnt fight then we put em on a flight with that said anyone need a contract lol There is a difference between hard fights and "funny" fights. 55p4p vs 1kp4p is a funny fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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