Guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Funkyama's Guide to Effective Training ADVERT For all your Grappling needs JOIN GTI - TOKYO 1964 http://www.mmatycoon.com/gympublic.php?gmid=1025 Here is a Noob guide to training as I have seen many posts about training schedules and how to pop faster etc. Here is my take on things and like all guides I hope I get feedback from other managers who know more, I just want to help as I have been helped in the past and want to give back to the community. If after reading this you have more knowledge and are able to pass on to others I know it has worked if not please accept my apologies just trying to help. So you wanna be a fighter? Taking into account you have read the guide to creating a fighter by PSUMIKE you have started with 10 cardio and 1 strength you will want to get these up quickly and the best way to do this is to join the cheapest gym, usually at the bottom of the Gym page in your location. This training does not need a coach and does not need an elite gym. These gyms usually start of around $24-30 per week. You will have enough money to train up for at least 6 weeks taking into account you have bought supplements (we will cover this later). I am in Cozad, it seems a good gym! No it is not, you are paying $50 a week in a gym with poor equipment and poor cleanliness and crowded sessions some have 45 people in, get out immediately into a cheaper, cleaner gym with Brand new equipment. I still see people in Cozad and wonder why. This guide is for you. So what level should I train to you ask? I would recommend a minimum of Wonderful Cardio and Superb strength than when you get further into the game increase these as you may need to go 5x5 for a belt and don't want to gas. You mention I have bought supplements, but what are they? Supplements are what aid your training and are available for all training. The supplements come in all kinds of quality and cost varies per city and quality. (please buy from reputable companies and experiment and always check the label) Stamina - Use when training Cardio (increases your stamina to perform better and pop faster)Muscle - Use when training Weights (increases muscle mass to pop faster) Recovery - Use when Sparring and Coach sessions (you will use less energy per session) ** don't use supplements on rest days they don't do a thing and is a waste of your money Once you have got your fighter to the recommended Cardio and Strength level its time to start getting physical. Lets get it on! So you have a fight and want to prepare, its in 4 weeks time and you don't know where to start. What I like to do is to break down my camp and spend 2 weeks on my Offence and 2 weeks on my Defence. I will Analyze my Opponent.... Is he a Wrestler - I will spar wrestling and train Take down defence Is he a Boxer - I will spar boxing and striking defence Is he a Muay Thai fighter - I will spar Muay Thai and train Clinch (deadly) Is he a BJJ fighter - I will Spar submission Grappling and Defensive grappling Sparring DO's *Spar with good Supplement *Spar in a crowded population (check the sparring schedule )*Arrange 1-1 training (use chat) * Spar between 4-6 sessions DONT's * Spar on your own, you will sit around shadow boxing * Spar back to back of one discipline * Spar more than 6 times a week * Gate crash a private session (you may need this one day) Coach Sessions A good gym will have a low fighter to coach ratio. When training with a coach if you are VIP you can see how many fighters are in each session. The lower the better. Try to find a class size of less than 5 and never more than 10. The coaches must be Elite in the correct discipline to benefit. community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Energy Levels If you have taken the advice thus far you will have enough stamina to train a minimum of 10 sessions with 2 rest sessions and be between 80-90% energy (never train below this the benefits are minimal). For best results get your Cardio to Sensational and you can train in the 90's which is far better. The best times to rest varies but spread it out, baring in mind you get 2 extra rest days on Sunday. FAQ's I am not popping, why? A= Are you using a good supplement with the correct training? A= is your gym clean with new equipment? A= is the class sizes crowded? A= is my fighter a slow learner (possible) Which Gym? A= There is a gym for everyone, look around some are specialised in a certain discipline and some are general. A= A gym you can afford (2 weeks in a mid level gym is better than a week in an Elite gym) A= To start with the cheapest gym than work your way up. The best fighters start at the bottom When to join/leave gym? A= If you are going to a cheaper gymjoin before Thursday 10pm GMT and more expensive after 9am GMT on Friday (you will save money this way) Gym fees, when are they paid? A= Thursday 10pm GMT So I have heard what you say what is a good schedule? (This is my personal schedule it may not work for everyone) MON AM SPAR MON PM COACH TUES AM SPAR TUES PM REST WED AM SPAR WED PM COACH THURS AM SPAR THURS PM REST FRI AM SPAR FRI PM COACH SAT AM SPAR SAT PM REST Sundays are no training and is family time LOL. Popping Sparring pops your Primaries first and has a small impact on your secondary's and physicals Coach sessions pops your secondary's and has a small impact on primaries and physicals Train YOGA above 95% for best results I hope you have enjoyed this piece and have learnt something, other managers please feel free to add or present an argument as I believe this will benefit the whole community. Funkyama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Great guide to cover the training part, which is probably one of the most important parts in this game. I hope this get stickied so newer managers can compete and win and train correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Is he a Muay Thai fighter - I will spar Muay Thai and train Clinch (deadly) Just one little addition about the above statement, if you realize your opponent is a kicker and not a clincher(a lot of new managers tend to create kickers), then you should train striking defense and not clinchwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 There are quite a few clarifications that I think need to made on this guide (sorry) - Cozad - The main reason to leave is the cleanliness level. If a gym is not in a pristine state, your fighetrs morale will drop and he will learn slowly. This is especially critical at the start of a fighter career as it can be brought back up but it requires spending money that is in short supply when you start the game. - Cardio and Strength level - - The guide says wonderful - this will get you through a 3 round match and 10 of 12 training sessions a week. This will not get you through a 5 round title fight, you will need to be at sensational to do that. This level should also give you 11 of 12 training sessions a week. - Strength is a critical aspect of the game - - The reason superb is recommended for your first fight is so that you can see hidden attributes on the tale of the tape, (above where the fight commentary is). Once you have had one fight it is a must to increase strength to wonderful or higher. - Supps - - Checking a supps quality is fine in principle but the level quoted is not necessarily the level that it actually is. Asking around for the best products is a useful option but the only way to truly identify what will work best for you is to try them yourself. - Training - - Although the guide gives a logical breakdown to what to prepare, there is another method that can be more successful to helping build your fighter for your next opponent. - Check the opponents previous fights - - You can tell what a fighter prefers from his previous fights. Most (good) fighters are not one dimensional even from the very beginning so look at what they have done before and use that to help work out training. For instance - Muay Thai fighter - Some like to clinch, others like to throw high kicks and others like to mix it up. Preparation for these would be very different. A clincher makes sense to work on the clinch game and some wrestling to help keep the fight out of the fighters preferred discipline. However against a striking MT guy, it would be useless. You would want to work strike defense and concentrate on your primary offensive weapons so that you have the bets chance to beat your opponent. - This is why it is impossible to do a accurate training guide as every fight is different and requires different set of work. NB - Look at the managers other fighters, if he has one similar it can indicate what he plans to do with this fighter even if he has never fought before. Energy levels - Although the guide says 80-90%, my experiments and others seem to back this up suggest that keeping it above 90% will increase your pop yield even though it may require an extra rest session. - As for a ideal training scheme - there is one however there is an important side not. - The ideal training scheme is to train (however you decide to) all Monday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday and rest either both Am or Pm Wednesday and Thursday, This is due to you having the best layout to keep energy above the magic 90% level. However The best quality of training comes with the smallest class sizes so this also needs to be taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Damn Cardiff comes along with his big red pen scribbles all over my work, stinks of coffee and gives me detention for falling my homework. Do I get a or a * Lol Cool stuff cardiff any more comments. Oh and I got a blue belt now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brion1234 Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 - The ideal training scheme is to train (however you decide to) all Monday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday and rest either both Am or Pm Wednesday and Thursday, This is due to you having the best layout to keep energy above the magic 90% level. Nice guide funk. Cardiff can you clarify this statement for us that are not too good at this game. Assuming you choose rest wed and thurs pm... what would you select for wed and thurs am? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Nice guide funk. Cardiff can you clarify this statement for us that are not too good at this game. Assuming you choose rest wed and thurs pm... what would you select for wed and thurs am? Basic run down for a fighter who is expecting to go 3 rounds so can afford to get away with wonderful cardio. Assuming to start the weekend at 100% this is how roughly a breakdown of energy will reduce assuming you are training or sparring without occurring penalties or doing cardio/weights which takes more energy than an average sessions. Mon Am - 98.4 Mon Pm - 96.8 Tues Am - 95.2 Tues Pm - 93.6 Wed Am - Rest - 98.4 Wed Pm - 96.8 Thur Am Rest - 100% Thur Pm - 98.4 Fri Am - 96.8 Fri Pm - 95.2 Sat Am - 93. 6 Sat Pm - 92% Two rest sessions on Sunday increase back to 100% on Monday. Obviously these are rough figures and not absolutely accurate but give an idea to how it would work. As you can see the reason to have the rest sessions apart is that you don't drop below the key 92% at the end of the week which you would do if you had the rest sessions together plus, the middle session would be a better quality than both the last two sessions in the week would be if you had the sessions together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Nice guide funk. Cardiff can you clarify this statement for us that are not too good at this game. Assuming you choose rest wed and thurs pm... what would you select for wed and thurs am? I have a few more thoughts if you contact me via pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Basic run down for a fighter who is expecting to go 3 rounds so can afford to get away with wonderful cardio. Assuming to start the weekend at 100% this is how roughly a breakdown of energy will reduce assuming you are training or sparring without occurring penalties or doing cardio/weights which takes more energy than an average sessions. Mon Am - 98.4 Mon Pm - 96.8 Tues Am - 95.2 Tues Pm - 93.6 Wed Am - Rest - 98.4 Wed Pm - 96.8 Thur Am Rest - 100% Thur Pm - 98.4 Fri Am - 96.8 Fri Pm - 95.2 Sat Am - 93. 6 Sat Pm - 92% Two rest sessions on Sunday increase back to 100% on Monday. Obviously these are rough figures and not absolutely accurate but give an idea to how it would work. As you can see the reason to have the rest sessions apart is that you don't drop below the key 92% at the end of the week which you would do if you had the rest sessions together plus, the middle session would be a better quality than both the last two sessions in the week would be if you had the sessions together. You are wasting energy by resting Thursday AM - push that rest session back to Thursday PM. The perfect energy level to be at to get to exactly 100.00% is somewhere between 95.70 (end up at 99.98) and 95.76 (end up at 100.00). I haven't had any of my fighters land at the numbers in between to get any more precise than that. At the end of Saturday, the perfect spot to be is somewhere between 91.10 & 91.17. Energy recovery does not appear to be affected by anything other than the current energy level of the fighter (at very low levels, say sub 50, you get back a lot more energy per rest session). Of course, Cardiff's numbers above are just estimates, and the amount of energy used doing sparring or training with a coach does vary based on both conditioning and supplements being used. Most of my guys only lose 1.4 to 1.5 energy per sparring session, not the 1.6 that appears to be used above, and most coached sessions seem to be in the range of 1.10 to 1.25. All of my guys are pretty much at Wonderful or better conditioning and use 150 and up sups, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 You are wasting energy by resting Thursday AM - push that rest session back to Thursday PM. The perfect energy level to be at to get to exactly 100.00% is somewhere between 95.70 (end up at 99.98) and 95.76 (end up at 100.00). I haven't had any of my fighters land at the numbers in between to get any more precise than that. At the end of Saturday, the perfect spot to be is somewhere between 91.10 & 91.17. Energy recovery does not appear to be affected by anything other than the current energy level of the fighter (at very low levels, say sub 50, you get back a lot more energy per rest session). Of course, Cardiff's numbers above are just estimates, and the amount of energy used doing sparring or training with a coach does vary based on both conditioning and supplements being used. Most of my guys only lose 1.4 to 1.5 energy per sparring session, not the 1.6 that appears to be used above, and most coached sessions seem to be in the range of 1.10 to 1.25. All of my guys are pretty much at Wonderful or better conditioning and use 150 and up sups, however. The numbers I am using is for a 150 supp. Which seems to give 1.6 (average) and it is also on wonderful -- where many people will be above that in one way or another. I actually agree that this other method is also very valid. What I would say was far more important is that as long as you look at one of these methods, you must get your fighter in the best possible classes. Being in the ideal system but that meaning your going to be in a class of 8 rather than 4 is a much bigger mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 No pinned for my guide It must be crap than lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBaseIsMaiTai Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 How do you train more specific things like striking defense , takedown defense and so on? Under my training tab there is only weights cardio MT Sparring Boxing BJ sparring wrestling yoga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 You have to be in a gym that has coaches, you must be in a gym with no coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBaseIsMaiTai Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Well it has a conditioning coach ^^ What is your opinion on these 3 gyms http://www.mmatycoon.com/gympublic.php?gmid=1436 http://www.mmatycoon.com/gympublic.php?gmid=1873 http://www.mmatycoon.com/gympublic.php?gmid=1716 considering I have virtually NO MONEY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Very infomative thread, thanks a lot! Few questions though. If I a create a fighter with useless conditioning should I just train cardio in all the slots until he hits wonderfull? Or would CT (General) training yield better overall results? How important is balance in terms of takedown defense? Is useless balance suicide? Once I have a fighters cardio at a suffcient level whats the next physical skill I should focus on? Strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattweso Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I have a question according to offence and defence, speparating 4 weeks on 2 and use first one for attack and the seccond one for defence, for example my fighters is proficent(8) boxer and competent(6) wrestler, usless(1) to MT and grappling, my opponent is at fifth level of boxing and muay thai, has got respectable(7) wrestling and holds blue belt in bjj, so if i would like to start 2 weeks of the offence, should i do like train my better skills means boxing (punch technique, sparrings) and wrestling (takedowns, sparrings) and after that 2 defence weeks for example mt (clinch, kicks) boxing (striking defence) and etc, coz it's kinda confusing for me, greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 just wanted to separate your supplement section to be linked to easily. thanks for the guide awesome job. quote "You mention I have bought supplements, but what are they? Supplements are what aid your training and are available for all training. The supplements come in all kinds of quality and cost varies per city and quality. (please buy from reputable companies and experiment and always check the label) Stamina - Use when training Cardio (increases your stamina to perform better and pop faster)Muscle - Use when training Weights (increases muscle mass to pop faster) Recovery - Use when Sparring and Coach sessions (you will use less energy per session) ** don't use supplements on rest days they don't do a thing and is a waste of your money Once you have got your fighter to the recommended Cardio and Strength level its time to start getting physical." /quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruslimma666 Posted May 21, 2013 Report Share Posted May 21, 2013 if i have 18yo fighter with Wonderful (12) conditioning i've got shedule: mon technical tue technical wed spar thu spar fri rest sat cardio+weights do i need the restday on friday, or can i train full week? or do i need the another rest day until i have better conditioning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 if i have 18yo fighter with Wonderful (12) conditioning i've got shedule: mon technical tue technical wed spar thu spar fri rest sat cardio+weights do i need the restday on friday, or can i train full week? or do i need the another rest day until i have better conditioning? I assume that your fighters are sparing at wed am pm and at thu am pm. Don't do 4 spar sessions in a row. Don't even do 2 in a row. It's not effecitve and it takes a lot of fighters energy. After each sparing session you can set technical/CT training. And don't forget to add CT training (circut)! Physicals are really important. Bragi~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruslimma666 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 no no, on wed and thu it is spar+technical, for example: wed: takedown defense + wrestling sparring thu: defensive grappling + muay thai sparring i've got 1 ct (general) in the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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