Guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I am constantly seeing people spam submissions and it working for them. There should be more counters for it like submission attempts leading to fighter standing up and reversing position a lot more aswell. Also armbars are way overused. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 cry baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Dude, sub spamming used to be waaaay worse. In my experience(I'm far from the best manager in the game, never will be, but I've only been subbed twice in the last year, that's not an exaggeration), you need to go ridiculously high counter/control when you're on the ground, and let it get stood back up or try to get up. It's worked for me. As for the armbar thing, I don't now what to tell you. I'm sure that will change eventually when enough people bitch, but that strategy has worked for me more often than not. I'm talking blue vs. brown, brown vs. black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Submission spamming doesn't work on good fighters lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyster89 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Another thing, fights can appear to be sub spammed when they're not. I've read many fights were it's one sub attempt after another, but it's 2-4 per minute usually. In real life, sub specialists will attempt more than that. Aoki, even Werdum, will attempt 4-5 per minute often. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minark Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Yeah, it's not that bad. There are some lower level fighters who can get away with it but once you get into the upper ranks, it's pretty well evened out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Another thing, fights can appear to be sub spammed when they're not. I've read many fights were it's one sub attempt after another, but it's 2-4 per minute usually. In real life, sub specialists will attempt more than that. Aoki, even Werdum, will attempt 4-5 per minute often. thank u for explaining that so i didn't have to do the "mondopost" again about how it doesn't actually show how long the sub is being held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Golden and most prized Relic of Sub Spam Era - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=110309 Sub Spamming 2012 - http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=177085 Tier 2 QFC's was the nail in the coffin for sub spammage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I am constantly seeing people spam submissions and it working for them. There should be more counters for it like submission attempts leading to fighter standing up and reversing position a lot more aswell. Also armbars are way overused. Armbars (along with the rear naked choke) are incredibly common at lower levels of MMA. Often someone with rudimentary training will catch an arm as their opponent is punched in the face for the first time (in anger) and all training goes out the window. If you look at many top level strikers they have early wins by submission that arrived in this fashion. They become far more rare at the top level because people learn the danger signs (where necks are often caught in scrambles or transitional periods). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynch96 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 What the OP is saying is that submissions are high risk/reward. There are many fighters who attempt 10+ submissions per fight without it ever leading to a stand-up or a reversal. I do have to say that once you get above exceptional submissions, the chance for you to lose position after a submission is pretty low(in my experiences). So you can attempt to end the fight multiple times, with little to no risk. Plus, it extends the time on the stand-up. So if your submissions are high enough, it's beneficial for you to go for multiple submissions while on top. Of course if you have a better system, you should post it in improvements, this isn't really the forum for it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 sub spamming stoped working way before you came to the game. matter of fact right now its near impossible to sub good fighters, thats why everyone are strikers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qrash Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Keep in mind that just because it says "Sub Attempt" doesn't mean that the fighter actually locked on a sub. A sub attempt could simply be reaching for an arm and missing. He could reach for an arm and have it slip off 3 times very quickly. This has been confirmed by Mike so I'm not talking out my ass. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyster89 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Keep in mind that just because it says "Sub Attempt" doesn't mean that the fighter actually locked on a sub. A sub attempt could simply be reaching for an arm and missing. He could reach for an arm and have it slip off 3 times very quickly. This has been confirmed by Mike so I'm not talking out my ass. Exactly - it's almost the thought of going for it that registers the "attempt." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Sometimes it even says the fighter is just thinking of applying a submission, then decide against it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajperok Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 I am constantly seeing people spam submissions and it working for them. There should be more counters for it like submission attempts leading to fighter standing up and reversing position a lot more aswell. Also armbars are way overused. Out of my 72 career losses, I think 6 have been by submission. If it was so effective, you'd see plenty more. I think the problem may be WITH YOUR SLIDERS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeguardian Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Yes, ajperok is right: it's almost the same in my experience: 76 losses and just 6 by submission! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajperok Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 In other words Barry, If your not improving position, standing up, or getting a full reversal off of every 2nd or 3rd missed submission or so, you need to improve your skills or mess with sliders until you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynch96 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 GnP spamming while holding position is more of a concern, tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJanne Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Well, I had a fight last night where I managed to mess up my ground strikes/subs slider quite bad and it didn't go extremely well. Here's the fight: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=463255 I'm fairly certain Williams is quite better on the ground skills but still, just spamming subs, nothing worked. And by the third round I figure my guy was wery tired and even got dominated on the ground. But I guess got saved because the other guy dont' seem to be a GnP monster. If it were a five round fight, I'm sure he'd got KO'd before the end of the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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