bananasplits Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Question. What is consistantly the most effective form of mma combat out there. The form which seems to be the most effective is STEROIDS!! All the top guys seem to be having a dabble. Find me a more effective factor I emplore you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Sometimes roid rage = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Sambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontcareaboutmyid Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Sambo http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c240/icypsycho/KelsoBURN2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 ray mercer boxing don frye rabbit punching karate oh don't forget frank mir juijitsu hahah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfu Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 ((effective)) wrestling. Plain and simple. The man who controls the fight wins the fight short of a 1 in 5 connect/sub catch. The only fighter who will beat the signicantly higher calibur wrestler is the fighter that is better in all aspects of the game but wrestling. Anderson Silva being a prime example. An d the first round he ever lost in the UFC was to an outstanding wrestler. Another exception to the rule being the fighter with amazing timing and technical precision, examples being Lyoto and Fedor. So, as wrestling is the x factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Jiu Jitsu is the most effective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anderson007 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 The problem I find with BJJ or Muay Tai is that it can be counter quite easily so on its own that style will not make a good fighter. However, a wrestler can be fairly effective standing up or on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 In isolation, jiu-jitsu is the most effective art -- as was proven in the early UFC. However, in modern MMA where decent fighters know how to defend against BJJ (even if they're not particularly proficient in the art as a whole) then I would say that wrestling is the most effective art. If a top-notch wrestler knows basic BJJ and striking defense, his ability to control the location of the fight is the key. The bottom line though, is that in order to be an effective MMA fighter in this era you need to be proficient in all areas -- striking, clinch-work, wrestling and submissions. Just knowing one art isn't sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 lol if you're seriously debating best art I'd think you'd have to go with sambo. russian combat sambo. fedor combat sambo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Jits. EASY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 BJJ had great success in the early UFC because no one knew what the hell Gracie was doing. Now, he can barely pick up a win without steroids and Hughes beat the piss out of him with wrestling. An elite wrestler without BJJ knowledge will not beat a BJJ specialist, therefore it cannot be the best singular art. However, Sambo includes jiu-jutsu, wrestling, judo, and aikido. It is a mixed martial art by design. The problem I find with BJJ or Muay Tai is that it can be counter quite easily so on its own that style will not make a good fighter. However, a wrestler can be fairly effective standing up or on the ground.Rampage and Rich Franklin would very much like you to share this easily countered information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunster Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 you can keep a thai fighter away with front kicks. it is beyond me why no one front kicks in mma. i understand the foot can be caught and you can get taken down, but if the guy is a thai fighter primarily, and assuming you are not as strong at striking (or else you would go toe to toe with him) then onthe ground is the place to be anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 you can keep a thai fighter away with front kicks. it is beyond me why no one front kicks in mma. i understand the foot can be caught and you can get taken down, but if the guy is a thai fighter primarily, and assuming you are not as strong at striking (or else you would go toe to toe with him) then onthe ground is the place to be anyway ufc undisputed player? seriously though, front kick somebody over n over and see if you don't get your leg caught and punched in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunster Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 i do it all the time, it rarely happens. dont be such a dick and presume no one trains and fights you dumb fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 dunster said: i do it all the time, it rarely happens. dont be such a dick and presume no one trains and fights you dumb fuck lol okay you took it personal. Obviously you have some self esteem issues, which means you prolly aren't any successful at MMA, I'm not hating on you though it's not your fault your not good at anything, I actually give you credit for getting into a gym, keep it up. But don't be such a sensitive bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunster Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 yeah, you stick to hugging men. why would you hug someone? you'd work inside their clinch to gain the dominant position, if you knew what you was doing like. front kicks arnt a secret, and they arnt supposed to be those pansy "dont come near me" push kicks. why dont you ask your boyfriend to show you a proper front kick instead of trying to hug him all the time, and you will see for your self. also, if you can tell me how someone is going to knock me out when my leg is longer than their arm, id be most interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 dunster said: yeah, you stick to hugging men. why would you hug someone? you'd work inside their clinch to gain the dominant position, if you knew what you was doing like. front kicks arnt a secret, and they arnt supposed to be those pansy "dont come near me" push kicks. why dont you ask your boyfriend to show you a proper front kick instead of trying to hug him all the time, and you will see for your self. also, if you can tell me how someone is going to knock me out when my leg is longer than their arm, id be most interested Go back to UFC Undisputed or whatever gym you train at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunster Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 first, you cant read. i said my leg is longer, not stronger. how can someone punch you if you have your guard up and your leg extended? second, you're just talking about overhooks and wizzers and stuff to control the opponent, as opposed to "hugging". the point was that a front kick can keep a thai fighter away, thats why, rather unsuprisingly, all the thais do it. front kick, teap, foot jab, call it what you want, its effective against a stand up opponent, and you cant even argue against it because its time proven. now, a wrestler is likely to grab your leg and take you down, of course, but that wasnt the point. talk about me being ignorant? you want to look in the mirror you chimp. thats all im saying now, i cant be arsed arguing with someone who hates their life so much, that they try to put their own insecurities onto someone else, ive got better things to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 dunster said: first, you cant read. i said my leg is longer, not stronger. how can someone punch you if you have your guard up and your leg extended? second, you're just talking about overhooks and wizzers and stuff to control the opponent, as opposed to "hugging". the point was that a front kick can keep a thai fighter away, thats why, rather unsuprisingly, all the thais do it. front kick, teap, foot jab, call it what you want, its effective against a stand up opponent, and you cant even argue against it because its time proven. now, a wrestler is likely to grab your leg and take you down, of course, but that wasnt the point. talk about me being ignorant? you want to look in the mirror you chimp. thats all im saying now, i cant be arsed arguing with someone who hates their life so much, that they try to put their own insecurities onto someone else, ive got better things to do lol ay you thought Bisping was gonna beat Henderson didn't you mate? Didn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Only striking is useless because you'll get taken down and subbed in no time. Only grappling doesn't work because every fight starts standing and you can't take him down without using wrestling. Only wrestling doesn't work because you can't do shit to your opponent. wrestling + striking OR grappling is the key. Takedowns for if you want to grapple with your opponent. Takedown defense for if you want to stay standing to strike with him. Striking + Grappling doesn't work because when you don't have wrestlingskills your opponent will get himself in dominant positions on the ground. Or the best example here is GSP versus Alves, Alves with excellent muay thai skillz gets outstruck by a lesser striker, because Alves couldn't do his whole thing on his feet because he was to afraid to get taken down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexinaco Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Only striking is useless because you'll get taken down and subbed in no time. Only grappling doesn't work because every fight starts standing and you can't take him down without using wrestling. Only wrestling doesn't work because you can't do shit to your opponent. wrestling + striking OR grappling is the key. Takedowns for if you want to grapple with your opponent. Takedown defense for if you want to stay standing to strike with him. Striking + Grappling doesn't work because when you don't have wrestlingskills your opponent will get himself in dominant positions on the ground. Or the best example here is GSP versus Alves, Alves with excellent muay thai skillz gets outstruck by a lesser striker, because Alves couldn't do his whole thing on his feet because he was to afraid to get taken down. GSP reach advantage was also an important factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 first, you cant read. i said my leg is longer, not stronger. how can someone punch you if you have your guard up and your leg extended?Anderson Silva vs. James Irvin That shit didn't work. Only striking is useless because you'll get taken down and subbed in no time. Only grappling doesn't work because every fight starts standing and you can't take him down without using wrestling. Only wrestling doesn't work because you can't do shit to your opponent. wrestling + striking OR grappling is the key. Um, we're talking one singular style here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I agree with the general consensus. Wrestling is the most important, simply b/c you can take a striker to the ground or make a grappler fight on his feet. positioning is so important. just Like Tank said at UFC 10.... "If you can't wrestle, you can't fight" I think saying Sambo is the most important style is like saying MMA is the most important style. Sambo is basically amateur MMA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Drunken Kung Fu because you deceive your opponents mind and eyes, then you strike. Before they know it, it's all over. Never mess with a drunken master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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