shortfuse122829 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 You didn't do anything wrong at all Born2Kill, this is not a criticism of you or anything u did/tried to do on the ground. It just seems odd how the ground game works as far as the lack of moves & how quickly time seems to pass there. Here is an example of 1 of my fights & I promise I wasn't trying to LNP either. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=668308 If you break it down the fight spends around 15-16 min standing. 7-8 on the ground & 1-2 in clinch. From distance the 2 fighters combined for 189 moves (attempts between strikes & attempted TD's not including clinch attempts or lands which don't show in stats) 189/15 = combined 12.6 moves per min between the 2. Clinch was my 28 + his 16 so....... 48 moves / 1 or 2 min so between 24-48 combined moves per min On the ground I had 15 (4) strikes & 8 (3) advance to his 11 (2) advance so that's 34 total moves in 8 min.......34/8 = 4 combined moves per min. Time disappears rapidly on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortfuse122829 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 I understand there are a bunch of control attempts that don't show up as well but the same can be said for stall in clinch as well & they don't seem to lack the activity the ground does. Control shouldn't be considered an actual move really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2kill Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Okay I understand but also all instructional criticism always needed to learn something :-) I think groundgame in real life also gave much less to score points than striking game and it last longer to have something important like changing positions, sweep. Maybe it should be more punches shown, more lighter ones but a lot of them, not causing much damage but still scored in body or some chops in the face or ears ;-) And clinchwork for me isn't a place where You can stall, control. Like in boxing...but also MT doesn't last on clinch where You hand on something but throwing strikes, elbows, knees so for me it should be more referee breaking clinch than standing them up many times...But that's only what I feel often and comparing to real life MMA ;-) But main thing is that doing something on the ground it takes simply more time than in striking battle...but we don't have scoring points system in this sport so it's always hard when battle took place in every aspect of it and both of fighters have done something not easy "to compare" in the eyes of judgdes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 this sat douglas vs creed. awesome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 This is after the latest Evolution event. 1. SYN 38 points 2. ASC 35 points 3. AD 31 points 4. EVO 31 points 5. Gamma 27 points 6. CEC/CW 20 points 8. SISU 18 points 8. TTFC 17 points 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nandorossi Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 is it just me or does everyonehope that syn ends uo #`1 and gamma deadlast 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter09 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 Nope I hope ascension end up in 1st lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyster89 Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Current brackets: 135 lbs: CEC 334 on 6/20 Kauko Partio vs Kim Young II Mr. Azure vs Lik Alotadik 145 lbs: AD214: FW Olympics round 2 on 6/22 Matt Miller vs Karnak Mandazur Oompa Loompa vs Vanilla Ice Cold 155 lbs: SF25 Olympics on 6/21 James Howlett vs Gerard Esqueda Alexandre Nieto vs Jan Zelenka 170 lbs: GAMMA Tycoon Olympics Rnd 2 on 6/22 Doc Chillum vs Shawn Kronburger Patrick Jane vs Mitsuyo Maeda 185 lbs: SYN 306: Fat and Furious on 6/28 Kostas Charalabous vs Darius Badolato Sergei Kravinoff vs Sinuhe Egyptian 205 lbs: Ascension: LHW Olympics - SF on 6/18 Devin Styles vs Sonny Corleone Tyrone Biggums vs Jensen Saint 265 lbs: EVO 97: Olympic HW Finals on 6/28 Dustin Douglas vs Kenichi Shirahama 265+ lbs: TTFC Tycoon Olympics round 2 on 6/22 Rinky Spider vs Ghengis Congo Emeka Shakur vs Leighton Matias 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Good work with the brackets. Sure makes life easier when updating the list. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMould Posted June 16, 2014 Report Share Posted June 16, 2014 Glad Syn are performing well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyster89 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Two good fights in the LHW bracket yesterday: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=670160 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=670161 Congrats to the winners - Styles vs Saint will be fun! Ascension: LHW Olympics Finale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortfuse122829 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Two good fights in the LHW bracket yesterday: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=670160 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=670161 Congrats to the winners - Styles vs Saint will be fun! Ascension: LHW Olympics Finale I thought Styles was done after that knee to the body in the 1st round that made him breathe heavily. He has fought through that surprisingly well on a few occasions though it has also led to almost all of his KO losses except 1 I believe and was the reason Blunts was going to move from 265 to 185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Good work with the brackets. Sure makes life easier when updating the list. How do we know it was even you who posted this? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comte Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 How do we know it was even you who posted this? The fact that he quoted something so standard subsequentially after a post about something of which is redundant so he can gain tycoon credits from posting. That's mentor. Gottalovedem4eyedsunavabitches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunts Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Two good fights in the LHW bracket yesterday: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=670160 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=670161 Congrats to the winners - Styles vs Saint will be fun! Ascension: LHW Olympics Finale I thought Styles was done after that knee to the body in the 1st round that made him breathe heavily. He has fought through that surprisingly well on a few occasions though it has also led to almost all of his KO losses except 1 I believe and was the reason Blunts was going to move from 265 to 185 http://www.mmatycoon.com/gallery/0/13945165273961.png Devin "Furious" Styles: "I came in like a wrecking ball Yeah, I just closed my eyes and swung Left me crashing in a blazing fall All you ever did was wreck me Yeah, you, you wreck me I never meant to start a war I just wanted you to let me in And instead of using force I guess I should've let you win I never meant to start a war I just wanted you to let me in I guess I should've let you win Nuff' Said..." [media=560x315] [/media] 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 This is after the latest ASC event.1. SYN 45 points2. EVO 38 points3. ASC 35 points4. AD 31 points5. Gamma 27 points6. CEC/CW 20 points7. SISU 18 points8. TTFC 17 points 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwt19744 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 This is after the latest ASC event. 1. SYN 45 points 2. EVO 38 points 3. ASC 35 points 4. AD 31 points 5. Gamma 27 points 6. CEC/CW 20 points 7. SISU 18 points 8. TTFC 17 points Hey Sonny should have gotten 2 points for TTFC giving TTFC 19 points not 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hey Sonny should have gotten 2 points for TTFC giving TTFC 19 points not 17. Did he not get those when he qualified from the first round? In this round he lost via a KO i think. I do not remember who updated the last round, but if it was me, i should have given the 2 points. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter09 Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Surprised Spider lost Oompa loses to vanilla ice Surprised at that. Congrats to all on making the finals 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwt19744 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Did he not get those when he qualified from the first round? In this round he lost via a KO i think. I do not remember who updated the last round, but if it was me, i should have given the 2 points. I thought you gave the fighter that won the round on the commentators score card one point no matter what. I believe that is how I scored the first Olympic round so if that's not the case I will have to look at my scoring as I think I screwed it up. So let me know as I may have mistaken how the scoring went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I thought you gave the fighter that won the round on the commentators score card one point no matter what. I believe that is how I scored the first Olympic round so if that's not the case I will have to look at my scoring as I think I screwed it up. So let me know as I may have mistaken how the scoring went. This is how the scoring was done: Scoring system. - 5 points for a KO/Submission win - In the case of a loss, the loser still gains points based upon the judging of the commentator (this is to avoid the cases you lost by KO/Sub, we wont know because the judges do not score in this case) - Losers gain 1 point per won round in decision losses - In the case of a draw, the loser gains 2 points, the winner 3 points and the Winner in such a case will be determined by highest p4p ranking. - If the draw is in the final, a rematch will take place the nearest possible date to decide a winner. - Winners of the Quarter finals gain +1 point for qualification - Winners of the Semi final gain +2 points for qualification - Winner of the final gain +3 points - In the case of a NC, the other fighter automatically qualifies with a 5-0 result. - In the case of a double NC, then the highest ranking loser from the previous round replaces them. Note: The tourney owner will need to keep track of his weight class point count. 1. SYN 45 points 4. ASC 42 points 2. EVO 38 points 3. AD 37 points 5. Gamma 27 points 6. CEC/CW 27 points 7. SISU 25 points 8. TTFC 17points This is after the latest GAMMA event. AD gained 4+2 (they lost of of the rounds) and CEC gained 5+2 (TKO win) This also includes the CEC event last week as well (7 points to ASC and 7 points to SISU) In the finals we have the underdog Doc Chillum, which went into this tourney as the lowest ranking, vs Patrick Jane, which was also an outsider 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter09 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Personally I believe we should as somebody to check over the whole fights maybe 2 people so we get the same scoring. If I get time I ll go over it. Don't think I will today tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter09 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Personally I believe we should as somebody to check over the whole fights maybe 2 people so we get the same scoring. If I get time I ll go over it. Don't think I will today tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 1. SYN 59 points 2. ASC 48 points 3. AD 44 points4. EVO 39 points5. CEC/CW 34 points6. SISU 32 points 7. Gamma 27 points 8. TTFC 17points After TTFC event: AD+7, SYN +7 After AD event: ASC +6, Evo +1, CEC +7 After Sisu Event: Syn +7, Sisu +7 I think this leaves just the Syn event, the rest are just the finals 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter09 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I've just gone through it and I got the same points scoring but had syn -2 I ll look again now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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