PBR Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I am disappointed that if you got that awesome job you'd never get a chance to flip the switch on these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates#United_States That's gotta be a kick in your pride's balls. Shouldn't let shit like 'evidence' or 'due process' or 'mistake' stop you from wiping out the innocent with pride. Allah will sort them out, after all, they're simply martyrs to a righteous cause, the jihad of the justice system. Masha'allah. Seems to me you'd make an awesome Roman centurion. I mean, they didn't have switches back then, but they had nails and spears and lions and shit. There's an avocational you could take pride in. hey 33 in almost 45 yrs isnt that bad -- plus several of them were rearrested for murders again -- lol -- yea the justice system sucks -- take the guy that almost killed me but did kill two others and a unborn child, shit i wasnt even out of the hospital hardly and still barely walking around with halo and needing assistance with everything before he was set free -- served little over 2 yrs for killing 2 and unborn child and basically ending my life really -- wheres the justice there? -- i would of liked to pull the switch on him -- the ol eye for an eye, tooth for tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 When you can 100% guarantee you got the right dude, for instance in your case, I am all for it. In a system which proves itself to be corrupt, incompetent and massively bigoted, not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 When you can 100% guarantee you got the right dude, for instance in your case, I am all for it. In a system which proves itself to be corrupt, incompetent and massively bigoted, not so much. This is the point, they easily get this type of shit wrong time after time just make sure in a court of law that whatever is done is justified (like they will actually do that in all cases smh) As far as reputation goes,i dont usually check what ppls rep is on this game,if you have a bad rep with me its because your dumbass posts are an eye-sore whether someone negs them or not...Duece,you currently dont have to worry about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 The dude seemed fucked up the first time I heard about him, changing his name to War Machine, being a porn star, banging a porn star, posting pictures of him getting laid on Twitter, the guy is a total mess, what did you expect from him? Redeem himself? The guy is lost, and he will never be some good guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirbelschwein Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 hey 33 in almost 45 yrs isnt that bad -- plus several of them were rearrested for murders again -- lol -- yea the justice system sucks -- take the guy that almost killed me but did kill two others and a unborn child, shit i wasnt even out of the hospital hardly and still barely walking around with halo and needing assistance with everything before he was set free -- served little over 2 yrs for killing 2 and unborn child and basically ending my life really -- wheres the justice there? -- i would of liked to pull the switch on him -- the ol eye for an eye, tooth for tooth may i ask what happened to you? Ofc its absolutely ok if you dont want to talk about it on a forum. In this case just ignore my question. For the warmachine story im not sure how to judge it. On the one side there has to be some form of justice since people got harmed so there has to be some form of recompensation. On the other side warmachine might just be a slave to his neurons. When i read the artikel above it says they found some money and <pizza> in his room. That pizza part brought up the "he is just a human not some other form of beeing" thoughts in me pretty strong. To treat him like a utterly and all time evil beeing is just not right, but it makes it easier for us to damn him. I also think that warmachine is able to feel love for his girl, his family his friends and so on and i think this is are true feeling. He might also regret what he has done. So i think just pulling the switch wouldn't be the right thing in this situation. Maybe we should try to find out what made a "common person" to a "warmachine" and how we can use this information in the future. But ofc this is just my sight of things as a spectator. I might say something totaly different if he smashed my face... @ pacman: there was a guy (in prison if i remember right) who seemed to be one badass person. He was aggro, offensive and all the other evil things you would expect. Coincidentally a doc saw some evidence for epilepsy while watching him during he was sleeping. They did a CT with the delinquent after that and found a pretty huge tumor in his brain. After removing this tumor the patient lost most of his abnormalities. On the other side you might know the phineas gage story. in this case the change went in the other direction after some serious brain-injury happened to him. So i think we have to be pretty careful with words like never, for ever and allways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 hey 33 in almost 45 yrs isnt that bad -- plus several of them were rearrested for murders again -- lol -- yea the justice system sucks -- take the guy that almost killed me but did kill two others and a unborn child, shit i wasnt even out of the hospital hardly and still barely walking around with halo and needing assistance with everything before he was set free -- served little over 2 yrs for killing 2 and unborn child and basically ending my life really -- wheres the justice there? -- i would of liked to pull the switch on him -- the ol eye for an eye, tooth for tooth Is eye for an eye acceptable when cops kill or maim people too? Cops are just as bad as criminals... they just hold all the power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/death-row-stories-elmore/ Law enforcement planted evidence and prosecutors manipulated facts to cast Elmore as the only suspect in the 1982 murder of 75-year-old Dorothy Edwards, his lawyers claim. Even with seemingly overwhelming evidence in Elmore's favor, it took nearly two decades to win his release, in what an appeals court called "one of those exceptional cases of 'extreme malfunctions in the state criminal justice systems.' " http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-infamous-cases-of-wrongful-execution.html http://www.eji.org/node/656 http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-says-he-spent-6-months-jail-murder-he-didnt-co/nhj4n/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/hitmen-admit-killing-17-mexican-students-prosecutor-005040009.html put things into perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Cleburne's finest... and these are the boneheads you want to trust to put someone away and kill them? http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/cleburne-texas-dog-shooting/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkKent Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Cleburne's finest... and these are the boneheads you want to trust to put someone away and kill them? http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/cleburne-texas-dog-shooting/ Really don't like cops do you? I'm guessing you've been arrested before? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I don't like cops. "Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... " Not sure what's more monstrous, the system, or what the system is fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well said aylib. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Really don't like cops do you? I'm guessing you've been arrested before? Nope, but since you enjoy the shooting of friendly dogs I'm sure you were all giddy about that video. If that doesn't outrage you then you got issues... like Cleburne PD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkKent Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I don't condone someone shooting a dog and I don't think random acts of cruelty are ok by any means. I do however think that every occupation in the world has people who are psychotic, firemen have been known to loot people's houses after they save the house from burning down, Accountants have been known to lie and cheat people out of millions of dollars every year, teachers have had sex with and psychologically damaged young children, builders can go home and beat the shit out of their partners and families. There's psycho's in every single walk of life, do I believe that some cops are assholes? absolutely, But do I believe for a second that the 0.01% of cops that are straight assholes is any different from any other profession or person in any walk of life? No. They should be held to a higher standard and for the most part I believe they do a pretty good job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyMuchacho Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 ...But do I believe for a second that the 99% of cops that are straight assholes.... Don't know where you got your stat but fixed that obvious typo for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I agree with that sentiment. I think a lot of the observations made about the current climate between police and the citizenry (particularly in the USA) is correct as well. Each day seems to bring a wider gap between 'us' and 'them', which is obviously counter productive to the aim of having a police force protecting a society. I think aylib's point about staring into the abyss is particularly relevant and the continuing discussion and media coverage is an important aspect of this. Of course, this needs to be treated with consideration and not from an adversarial perspective as well, as the idea is for us to achieve an accord with the police where we're all on the same side and it is the 'bad guys' who aren't. A blame culture and focus only on negatives will always put them on the defensive and push them further towards being a 'them'. If you've ever had a problem with the police despite being (really and truly) innocent of wrong doing, then this is not acceptable. Whether it is institutionalised or at an individual level, it needs to be addressed through the processes that exist. The local complaints and grievances processes initially, through voting and writing to your relevant political folks at a higher level. In a democracy the voice of the people is meant to be heard and when a majority of voices make a request or a complaint, these need to be addressed. It doesn't happen if no one steps up and speaks/acts and if they are still ignored, then it is time for revolution. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirbelschwein Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I don't condone someone shooting a dog and I don't think random acts of cruelty are ok by any means. I do however think that every occupation in the world has people who are psychotic, firemen have been known to loot people's houses after they save the house from burning down, Accountants have been known to lie and cheat people out of millions of dollars every year, teachers have had sex with and psychologically damaged young children, builders can go home and beat the shit out of their partners and families. There's psycho's in every single walk of life, do I believe that some cops are assholes? absolutely, But do I believe for a second that the 0.01% of cops that are straight assholes is any different from any other profession or person in any walk of life? No. They should be held to a higher standard and for the most part I believe they do a pretty good job. hmm the difference between a builder-asshole and a police-asshole is that the former one doesn't have a gun. The general conditions of a job seem to attract a certain type of people. This can be a problem if the selection of applicants is not done in a good way, especially for a job like policeman. Also i think the job police-officer is a very hard one. If they aren't trained well, errors will happen. Since simulating a serious event and being part in a true serious event is like sparring compared to a real fight, there is a wide range for problems. An officer might be overwhelmed in a situation and therefore does the wrong things that make him appear as an asshole (despite of beeing one). On the other hand you surely have the true assholes who act just like an asshole does independent of the situation. how ever, its a hard to make a judgement on this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyMuchacho Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I agree with that sentiment. I think a lot of the observations made about the current climate between police and the citizenry (particularly in the USA) is correct as well. Each day seems to bring a wider gap between 'us' and 'them', which is obviously counter productive to the aim of having a police force protecting a society. I think aylib's point about staring into the abyss is particularly relevant and the continuing discussion and media coverage is an important aspect of this. Of course, this needs to be treated with consideration and not from an adversarial perspective as well, as the idea is for us to achieve an accord with the police where we're all on the same side and it is the 'bad guys' who aren't. A blame culture and focus only on negatives will always put them on the defensive and push them further towards being a 'them'. If you've ever had a problem with the police despite being (really and truly) innocent of wrong doing, then this is not acceptable. Whether it is institutionalised or at an individual level, it needs to be addressed through the processes that exist. The local complaints and grievances processes initially, through voting and writing to your relevant political folks at a higher level. In a democracy the voice of the people is meant to be heard and when a majority of voices make a request or a complaint, these need to be addressed. It doesn't happen if no one steps up and speaks/acts and if they are still ignored, then it is time for revolution. Good points. This is, however, now an institutional problem. We chose to let the system protect dirty cops instead of being steadfast in purging these abusive leaches to the point where there is an also insurmountable battle in exposing them. It creates a hopeless feeling and I think this is the frustration we see through the media in the form of riots and all this social unrest happening. Yes we made our own bed technically. But something is going to have to give soon. As far as a revolution - I think people of action are on the same page. BUT, so is the government. More efforts are being made to disarm our citizens than ever before. But that's for another thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerealkilla Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) People become a police officer for various reasons. It does seem rare though that you find one that joined for the right reasons, and still holds true to those reasons. Some may have joined for the right reasons and became corrupt through the years. Look at the situation in Ferguson. If you listen to most of the interviews on the streets, the community is throwing a fit because most of the police officers there are white. Whose fault is that? Did any of them even try to join the police force? Are they even allowed? Are they already felons and can't even carry a weapon? There will always be people who abuse their power, in fact you probably hear about sixty percent or more of the stories every time it happens. However, you probably hear less than 1 percent of the stories that happen every minute of every day of every week of every year of those that don't abuse their power. You can list ten or twenty instances on here of all the bad things police have done, because that is what people want to hear in the news. If they listed everything good they did all the time, there wouldn't be time for anything else. Sorry, I forgot my original reason for posting this. Lock WarMachine in a cage with all of the family members of those that he allegedly attacked. Let them fight to the death. That would be real justice, despite who walks out alive. The universe has a way of balancing itself out. Edited October 22, 2014 by cerealkilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I worked alongside many former and aspiring cops. Let me tell you my experience, by and large, the field of law enforcement attracts and fosters, or at least subtly maintains the us vs them attitude. The foundation needs to be reworked.As long as majority of law enforcement corps are going to be gung ho bros from the burbs with mindsets as rigid as their high top haircuts, we 'll have a growing problem on our hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Problem is the police and the entire criminal justice system is geared towards prosecution, for prosecution, by prosecution. The police have the power to ruin your life with no repercussions. It's easy to say oh just a small amount are bad no big deal... until it happens to you, then it's a big deal. cerealkilla, most of the cops in Ferguson are white because blacks don't have a chance in hell of getting on the force. There are 20K warrants and 10K activate cases for 22K people... every citizen in Ferguson has approx 1.5 warrants/cases against them. You really think the cops will let someone on the force with charges? The amount of revenue for 2013 was 2.6 million from the courts... 2nd only to property taxes in revenue for the city. Cops have been green lit to rumble anything and everything from jaywalking to loitering.. the person can't pay their fines, so the court levies more fines or throws them in jail. They sure as hell can't afford proper defense either. There are many issues in that city. Hell, the cops can't tell the difference between 2 Henry Davis's despite a different middle name and social... then they beat his ass. Do you really think a black man has a chance in hell of getting on that police force? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726727/Ferguson-police-mistakenly-arrested-innocent-man-viciously-beating-charging-bleeding-THEIR-uniforms.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Do you think someone would want to be on the force, after their cousin was harrased, their borther was beat, father pulled over numerous times for no reason? It transcends generations. The us vs them is not a one sided issue, and understandably so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylib Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Does the LE field reflect the larger population of a given country? Are those who are incarcerated reflective of a larger population? Sure as hell not in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 As far as a revolution - I think people of action are on the same page. BUT, so is the government. More efforts are being made to disarm our citizens than ever before. But that's for another thread... I wasn't necessarily suggestion armed revolution/civil war. This would be the final and most desperate act and one which may not result in more positive outcomes, ala French revolution, various communist revolutions, etc and so forth. I personally prefer the more traditional labour/union movement approaches, though not in the form of union moments, purely as popular movements. EDIT: I don't really understand the rationale behind the US system. It seems to trade off 'justice' for 'democracy'. Mob rule, whilst a majority, doesn't make it justice. Being elected into roles such as sheriff, district attorney, etc, boggles my fucking mind. Just because me and my 3 mates tell a doctor that I don't have cancer doesn't mean we are right because we're more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Do you think someone would want to be on the force, after their cousin was harrased, their borther was beat, father pulled over numerous times for no reason? It transcends generations. The us vs them is not a one sided issue, and understandably so. Exactly, ive NEVER committed a crime or been arrested, obtained a degree, worked nearly 2 years at the courthouse and hold a solid leadership role where i work currently but have had police put their gun in my face 4 times in my life. Think i want to be a cop??? All over youtube are videos of police extorting black citizens, you cant possibly believe that EVERY warrant for arrest is clean. As Aylib said, "us vs them" is a two way street, For your example with Ferguson, there is a lot to be learned about a situation when they have taped off areas and raised platforms for media crews to record what is going on. (This is not a movie) Then, video has Mike Brown paying for the cigs but all they talk about is strongarm robbery as if police dont have handcuffs or tasers. For anything to change, not being racist is not good enough. One must HATE racism to rise above it. Whites have rallies against citizens being disarmed as muchacho said, but wont rally when an unarmed black(HUMAN) is gunned down. If he was openly gay, Darren Wilson would be punished right now rather than receiving funds. People have to stop saying "forget about it" and dedicate actual time to understand what was really done to them and more importantly why. Most whites AND BLACKS dont even understand that public lynchings were not carried out in front of 30-40 people, they planned the EVENT and sold tickets to thousands as if it was a UFC card. Tying up each leg of a man to two separate horses and whipping the horses until his body split in half while fucking his 7 year old daughter and his wife is forced to watch did an incredible job on an entire race's psyche. Broke apart the family so women want to be independent and men are either effeminate or hot tempered. Until that is understood, Humors will still call me "black panther" every once in a while, people like misfits/rainbow will randomly talk shit and KKK avatars like John Hess will be accepted and used for half a year without anyone saying anything.... Let someone so much as name a fighter "hitler" and see what happens... People of all races have to understand that there was/is more than one "holocaust." But i digress, K-Rad is right, more people in agreement does not mean they agree on something that is right. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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