Guest Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 It is a tragic what is happening at the moment but i agree with Karter in regards to the refugees. I mean think of it this way, if 100k move into Europe or the USA now, is there not a good 0.5 to 1% of those being potential terrorists, with fake passports? Most certainly there is. So imagine 500-1000 trained and armed terrorists running around Europe or some NATO ally? You do not need to imagine it, as it is already happening. Paris is only the start. from a penis cream salesman to a terrorist in a month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephane Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 My saddest moment has been when guys I've known from the service have been saying not to let refugee's in the US. They need to come they need to be screened heavily but they need to be accepted (which sadly I know they won't if the repubs get there way). Hate to say it but a coalition can't do it unless their own people are the tip of spear. The US is still to bigoted to except people that they only know as the bad guys from the films/ HELL! Russia was the boogeyman not along ago so imagine if Cletus sees someone darker than him doing something it goes to another place. I talked to my state rep. though and already volunteered to help with any refugees I know a little Arabic and I will slap the shit out of any moron trying to be xenophobic plus I got a CCP as one might have guessed, i live in paris. And we have many migrants in france at the moment. You might know that france is being used as a transit territory by thousant of refugees coming from syria, ethiopia, afghanistan on their way to England. They have stopped in a city called Calais (before the channel tunnel) and turned it into a huge camp. The problem is that nothing was planned for them : commodities, food, drinkable water, they have nothing. So they stay outside like animals, trying to jump in every truck to england, assaulting the drivers. So it is perhaps great to wellcome everyone, but if it has to be done, then it must be correctly, otherwise it turns to be a town like calais which is closer everyday to civil war beteen migrants and inhabitants. And i am telling something : when you start wellcoming refugees from somewhere, you just open a new way for all the other ones. It is a never ending story, and you must prepare receiving more and more people everyday (what's more coming with the "help" of the mafias...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtieBanks Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 No, no, and fucking no. For the sake of common sense. This may be the humanitarian in you crying out, but it's flawed and will only hurt people here in the end. Let's play preventive defense. We are the 3rd most populated country in the world. THIRD. MOST. POPULATED. COUNTRY. IN. THE. WORLD. Anybody thinking we need to take refugees (or even permit the majority of our population to breed) from other countries = moronic sentimentalism. It's a bad idea - many, many, many variables and reasons. One, we're overpopulated and there's a hundred other places to send those people. Bad idea because the security breach. Bad idea because it ruffles too many feathers of current citizens. You're pumping a bunch of warmongers with fuel for their fear and hatred. You're pumping them with war viagra and now a bunch of self-destructive war cry rallying people are searching for their inner rebel with a full fledged, rock hard, warboner from the cold depths of a fictional books hell. Common sense, you don't take in refugees of war. You're opening up pandora's box of potential enemies and catastrophes. Every time a shot is fired in public, there's a bomb threat, a building gets hit by a plane or goes down because a bird goes through an engine, it's going to come down on the muslims / refugees / "terrorist". There's way too many americans with guns just waiting for a rallying cry to go shoot people over skin color and different beliefs. To be fair to America, you guys have taken in about 750,000 refugees since 9/11 and not a single one has been arrested on domestic terrorism charges. That would lead me to believe your countries screening process is pretty damn good. (I should mention the fact that the CIA armed a lot of these guys you now call terrorists and prolly has a lot of intel on who is and isn't a terrorist). You guys also took in something like 100,000 Jewish refugees from Nazi occupied territories and that worked out not bad for you guys. America though does have its own problem with its own domestic terrorists who happen to be actual Americans. The lifeboat analogy is also a good one to use (the same one I use), that there are only so much land etc that can be used and resources. You cannot blame someone for having the good luck to be born in our countries; it isn't nice to condemn people to living in worse off conditions than our own but eventually common sense must prevail. There are only so much resources and due to overpopulation eventually you have to say no, sorry, this lifeboat is full. Stephane, you guys are just in the unfortunate position that Europe has direct routes to the middle east and war torn countries. The UK is like a castle, the English channel is its moat. A lot of these refugees however are wanting to head to the Nordic countries such as Denmark, Norway and Sweden, you also have Germany and France as decent places to settle down. The UK is coming closer and closer to leaving the EU anyway and our immigration policies are becoming the same way that Australia operates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Very well put Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Dinooo nailed it perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephane Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Dinoo, what's the point in comparing what happened after the liberation of Nazi camps and what 's happening 70 years later? Don't you think things have changed a bit? another thing about what happened in paris... A syrian passport was found on the body of a terrorist, and we know have the proof that at least two terrorists came in europe among the migrant by entering Greece. Don't mistunderstand me, i am not meaning there are migrants that are terrorists. Just that you have terrorists that infiltred migrants to enter the country they want to bomb. The difference is massive and turned out with 130 people killed So wellcoming migrants is one thing, controlling every single one to make sure he is who he pretends to be is another thing, and i am not sure France made itself ready to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtieBanks Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Dinoo, what's the point in comparing what happened after the liberation of Nazi camps and what 's happening 70 years later? Don't you think things have changed a bit? another thing about what happened in paris... A syrian passport was found on the body of a terrorist, and we know have the proof that at least two terrorists came in europe among the migrant by entering Greece. Don't mistunderstand me, i am not meaning there are migrants that are terrorists. Just that you have terrorists that infiltred migrants to enter the country they want to bomb. The difference is massive and turned out with 130 people killed So wellcoming migrants is one thing, controlling every single one to make sure he is who he pretends to be is another thing, and i am not sure France made itself ready to do it. Well, technology has made it significantly more difficult to infiltrate these countries now with spies and sleeper cells, so i guess things have changed a bit. It is a lot more difficult for these people to come compared to previously. This also didn't just happen during the liberation of the camps; Jewish refugees were fleeing through out the war. There were also more people born in Belgium involved in these attacks than Syria, but you are not calling for France to leave the EU or stopping the freedom of access that people from Belgium enjoy. Rightfully so if you ask me, but the attacks were committed by homegrown EU radicals. This sort of argument just arms the UK people when we vote to either stay or leave the EU. I mean we do not want these nasty Europeans coming over and attacking us next. I am guessing you can see the flaw in that statement, this is the same thing I seen whenever you wrote about the Syrian passport. No country is ready for this and it is a fair argument, but on the other hand people are dying on a daily basis in this conflict and the figures are higher than the 130 killed in Paris. A human life is a human life, a french national to myself is no more or less important than a Syrian. As I said above I take a lot of my beliefs from "lifeboat ethics" on refugees etc, and right now we can support a few people but not everyone. I do not fear a terrorist attack anymore or less than I fear being hit by a bus. I think it shows the true character of a person how they deal with fear, if they can rise above the hate and fear, if the person can still hold onto their moral values even in testing times. I have seen members of my own family and friends morals crumble with the fear of a terrorist attack and I can understand why people are scared. I just don't want to live my life in the fear of death; no matter how it comes. I also do not want to wish to condemn millions of people to death fearing my own death at the hands of a terrorist attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephane Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 same thing for me dinoo, i don't want to condem people having a different point of view than mine unless they make apology of terrorism. yet i don't share your point of view...when you say it shows the true character of a person how they deal with fear, it makes me perplexe cause there 's judgment in your approach. As if you considere yoursel as superior since you keep YOUR values in times of fears. I am not following you in this path, i am not superior to anyone, specially the ones who today are scared because they were blocked in this theatre and saw death face to face. I am just saying i disagree, that's all. And once again, it makes a big difference. Yet, here people here started to do shopping again, walk in avenues again, kids play again in parcs even thoug parents are scared. They look around them, but life has started again. For sure, i talk with emotions and not with brains. Believe me, there was a lot of emotions these days when people bring flowers and candles on he pavement where people fell. It was'nt fear. It was respect, saddness and a way to proove we resist. A way to say" never again" even if it means that france has to loose some of its tradition of being a land of migrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtieBanks Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 same thing for me dinoo, i don't want to condem people having a different point of view than mine unless they make apology of terrorism. yet i don't share your point of view...when you say it shows the true character of a person how they deal with fear, it makes me perplexe cause there 's judgment in your approach. As if you considere yoursel as superior since you keep YOUR values in times of fears. I am not following you in this path, i am not superior to anyone, specially the ones who today are scared because they were blocked in this theatre and saw death face to face. I am just saying i disagree, that's all. And once again, it makes a big difference. Yet, here people here started to do shopping again, walk in avenues again, kids play again in parcs even thoug parents are scared. They look around them, but life has started again. For sure, i talk with emotions and not with brains. Believe me, there was a lot of emotions these days when people bring flowers and candles on he pavement where people fell. It was'nt fear. It was respect, saddness and a way to proove we resist. A way to say" never again" even if it means that france has to loose some of its tradition of being a land of migrance. There is judgement in every approach, everything you say and do is judged by someone, somewhere. When I say it shows the true character of a person, this does not show any superiority over someone; people have the right to believe in whatever they want, but it washes away peoples facade and shows their true colours. You quickly find out someones true beliefs when they are faced with fear. Their true beliefs are not for me to judge, nor do i want to judge. I have my opinions on matters and people have theirs. I hope that clears up the superiority thing, I in no way feel superior to anyone else in the game of life. I have seen the media coverage and heard from friends who live in France who have said that it is slowly but surely turning back to some semblance of normality, which I am glad that it is. France cannot stop the migrants coming in however, your borders are huge and have multiple routes into the country. No matter what your government do, they will still be refugees fleeing until the Syrian conflict is dealt with and hopefully it will not produce more conflict after it. The world as a whole could do with a bit of peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptrek25 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 from a penis cream salesman to a terrorist in a month. Lmao wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Lmao wtfYou haven't been here long enough to know about mentor's "side activities" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptrek25 Posted November 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Haha well I imagine he's worrying about creams on the dick and maybe blowing shit up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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