UFC 223 Ferguson vs Nurmagomedov Pick'em Thread

[arlenbalesmma]

Once again, what actually happened is proof. McGregor had to ask the UFC for permission. Cant get any better proof than that.

But he didn't have to nor did he ask permission. They co-promoted. How the fuck is that getting permission and how the fuck is that proof?

 

There is an actual, legitimate federal LAW, designed to literally prevent an organisation from having that control over a fighter and conor was protected by it as soon as he became licensed. I don't know how you don't know about it, it was a pretty big deal. but here's a link for info on it.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Boxing_Reform_Act

 

 

 

I'll keep waiting for you to show anything at all that would show even the smallest chance that the UFC's contract would be legally binding and hold up against a FEDERAL FUCKING LAW specifically designed to prevent that exact type of contract.

 

 

Floyd and Conor worked with Showtime for this fight too. Did they need Showtime's permission too?

[JLP]

But he didn't have to nor did he ask permission. They co-promoted. How the fuck is that getting permission and how the fuck is that proof?

 

There is an actual, legitimate federal LAW, designed to literally prevent an organisation from having that control over a fighter and conor was protected by it as soon as he became licensed. I don't know how you don't know about it, it was a pretty big deal. but here's a link for info on it.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Boxing_Reform_Act

 

 

 

I'll keep waiting for you to show anything at all that would show even the smallest chance that the UFC's contract would be legally binding and hold up against a FEDERAL FUCKING LAW specifically designed to prevent that exact type of contract.

 

 

Floyd and Conor worked with Showtime for this fight too. Did they need Showtime's permission too?

McGregor wasnt under a contract to Showtime to required all of his fights to be under the UFC promotion. So no, he didnt need permission from them. McGregor, rather then have a legal battle came to terms with the UFC and gave them a sizable cut for permission to take the fight. Thats what happened, you cant deny it.

[arlenbalesmma]

McGregor wasnt under a contract to Showtime to required all of his fights to be under the UFC promotion. So no, he didnt need permission from them. McGregor, rather then have a legal battle came to terms with the UFC and gave them a sizable cut for permission to take the fight. Thats what happened, you cant deny it.

So Conor worked with the UFC to prevent a legal battle (that he would have won) or conor worked with the UFC because he needed their permission? Which is it?

[JLP]

So Conor worked with the UFC to prevent a legal battle (that he would have won) or conor worked with the UFC because he needed their permission? Which is it?

He needed their permission or he would have fought a long and expensive legal battle with the outcome in doubt. No contradiction in anything ive said in that regard. McGregor willingly seeking permission will actually have effect on your hypothetical ali act lawsuit, as it shows that he has already acknowledged the UFC's legal right over his fights.

[arlenbalesmma]

This isn't a new thing dude. Promotions used to do the same thing in boxing. They'd tie a fighter up in a never ending contract for so many fights. They'd use it to control the fighters. Make them fight the way the promotion wanted them to fight, for the money the promotion wanted to give them, against fighters the promotion wanted them to fight, and if they didn't do it they'd tie them up, prevent them from doing anything.

 

That's why a federal law was created. To prevent it. For licensed boxers. No such thing in MMA. But Conor got his boxing license. He was covered by the Ali act. It wouldn't have been a long or costly legal battle. The UFC would have been in violation of a federal law.

 

You keep fucking arguing and arguing but there is no arguing against it. That's the entire point of the Ali act.

[arlenbalesmma]

He needed their permission or he would have fought a long and expensive legal battle with the outcome in doubt. No contradiction in anything ive said in that regard. McGregor willingly seeking permission will actually have effect on your hypothetical ali act lawsuit, as it shows that he has already acknowledged the UFC's legal right over his fights.

That's brilliant. McGregor worked with the UFC for a boxing bout so a federal law becomes voided. That's great.

[JLP]

This isn't a new thing dude. Promotions used to do the same thing in boxing. They'd tie a fighter up in a never ending contract for so many fights. They'd use it to control the fighters. Make them fight the way the promotion wanted them to fight, for the money the promotion wanted to give them, against fighters the promotion wanted them to fight, and if they didn't do it they'd tie them up, prevent them from doing anything.

 

That's why a federal law was created. To prevent it. For licensed boxers. No such thing in MMA. But Conor got his boxing license. He was covered by the Ali act. It wouldn't have been a long or costly legal battle. The UFC would have been in violation of a federal law.

 

You keep fucking arguing and arguing but there is no arguing against it. That's the entire point of the Ali act.

nope. he signed a contract as an mma fighter that forbade him taking boxing matches without the UFC's permission. That's why he asked for permission. Until that contract is complete, he has to abide by the terms.

[arlenbalesmma]

nope. he signed a contract as an mma fighter that forbade him taking boxing matched without the UFC's permission. That's why he asked for permission. Until that contract is complete, he has to abide by the terms.

Lmao. The Ali act was created to prevent exactly that. That is the whole fucking point of it. Right there. Exactly that. That's why it exists. To prevent that. Christ almighty I've met some stupid people in my time but you are spectacularly stupid.

[arlenbalesmma]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Boxing_Reform_Act

[JLP]

Lmao. The Ali act was created to prevent exactly that. That is the whole fucking point of it. Right there. Exactly that. That's why it exists. To prevent that. Christ almighty I've met some stupid people in my time but you are spectacularly stupid.

ali act is for boxing. mma is not covered under the ali act. therefore he has to seek the UFC's permission to have a boxing match because the binding contract he signed forbids it. How do you not understand this?

[JLP]

If your nonsense had any legal standing, McGregors management would have sued the UFC to keep their hands out of McGregor's purse. They didnt because they had no legal standing. It's pretty obvious.

[arlenbalesmma]

ali act is for boxing. mma is not covered under the ali act. therefore he has to seek the UFC's permission to have a boxing match because the binding contract he signed forbids it. How do you not understand this?

MMA is not covered, yet. But Conor isn't just an MMA fighter. He's a licensed boxer. The Ali act DOES cover him. Simple as that.

 

I don't know if you're tolling, too dense to understand how basic law works or just too fucking stupid to understand English.

[JLP]

MMA is not covered, yet. But Conor isn't just an MMA fighter. He's a licensed boxer. The Ali act DOES cover him. Simple as that.

 

I don't know if you're tolling, too dense to understand how basic law works or just too fucking stupid to understand English.

mma is not covered. his contract is an mma contract. the ali act does not cover mma fighters or void mma contracts if an mma fighter seeks permission to have a boxing match.

 

the ali act, which you are an expert on so should know, only relates to the main promoter:

It is worth noting, however, that a pre-condition of the Ali Act applying to a promoter is that promoter must be “the person primarily responsible for organizing, promoting, and producing a professional boxing match.” To the extent that Mayweather is the “primary” promoter and the UFC is a lesser co-promoter they may have found a loophole to let them get what they want.

 

https://combatsportslaw.com/2017/06/15/what-exactly-is-the-ufcs-role-in-the-mcgregor-mayweather-superfight/

 

So it has no effect on McGregor's mma contract. Argument over. You lose. Go back to dreaming of cleaning connors balls.

[arlenbalesmma]

mma is not covered. his contract is an mma contract. the ali act does not cover mma fighters or void mma contracts if an mma fighter seeks permission to have a boxing match.

 

the ali act, which you are an expert on so should know, only relates to the main promoter:

It is worth noting, however, that a pre-condition of the Ali Act applying to a promoter is that promoter must be the person primarily responsible for organizing, promoting, and producing a professional boxing match. To the extent that Mayweather is the primary promoter and the UFC is a lesser co-promoter they may have found a loophole to let them get what they want.

 

https://combatsportslaw.com/2017/06/15/what-exactly-is-the-ufcs-role-in-the-mcgregor-mayweather-superfight/

 

So it has no effect on McGregor's mma contract. Argument over. You lose. Go back to dreaming of cleaning connors balls.

A very early blog before the details were released. UFC and Mayweather co-promoted equally on both platforms, making them both primary promoters. Which is where this comes in (also from the post you just linked)

 

Perhaps the UFC is still acting as a promoter but not the sole promoter of this bout. This is legally interesting as well. Now that McGregor is a licensed professional boxer in the US he enjoys all the protections of the Muhammad Ali Act. If you are unfamiliar with this legislation you can click here for a section by section breakdown of all the protections it grants boxers which MMA fighters do not enjoy.

 

If the UFC are acting as the promoter of a boxing event they too become subject to Ali Act requirements. Among these are prohibitions against coercive contracts and McGregors UFC contract, which in part restricts his ability to box, may very well violate several provisions of the Ali Act.

 

As you can see, even if they were a lesser promoter, it makes no difference. Sure they wouldn't be violating the Nevada state laws, but McGregor was a licensed boxer and protected by the Ali act.

 

To clarify, as soon as conor became licensed, he was protected. However, if UFC weren't down as promoters, they wouldn't be subject to the wider law in relation to general contracts. However, regardless of this, Conor would have been protected personally.

 

So once again, your stupidity shines through. Literally citing an article that proves yourself wrong.

[arlenbalesmma]

It's also worth adding, this was just in relation to an individual bout, we were discussing contractual obligations, which would have been voided by the Ali act if the UFC fought against the bout.

[JLP]

A very early blog before the details were released. UFC and Mayweather co-promoted equally on both platforms, making them both primary promoters. Which is where this comes in (also from the post you just linked)

 

Perhaps the UFC is still acting as a promoter but not the sole promoter of this bout. This is legally interesting as well. Now that McGregor is a licensed professional boxer in the US he enjoys all the protections of the Muhammad Ali Act. If you are unfamiliar with this legislation you can click here for a section by section breakdown of all the protections it grants boxers which MMA fighters do not enjoy.

 

If the UFC are acting as the promoter of a boxing event they too become subject to Ali Act requirements. Among these are prohibitions against coercive contracts and McGregors UFC contract, which in part restricts his ability to box, may very well violate several provisions of the Ali Act.

 

As you can see, even if they were a lesser promoter, it makes no difference. Sure they wouldn't be violating the Nevada state laws, but McGregor was a licensed boxer and protected by the Ali act.

 

To clarify, as soon as conor became licensed, he was protected. However, if UFC weren't down as promoters, they wouldn't be subject to the wider law in relation to general contracts. However, regardless of this, Conor would have been protected personally.

 

So once again, your stupidity shines through. Literally citing an article that proves yourself wrong.

Lesser promoter makes all the difference. The ali act is only enforced on the primary promoter, which is Mayweather. Do you think the UFC is stupid enough to not make this distinction? They werent going to give McGregor an out by giving him this fight. Keep being dumb kid. Its amusing.

[arlenbalesmma]

Oh and furthermore. Never argued against Conor's MMA contract. The point I've been hopelessly trying to make is that it would not be binding if Conor had went ahead without them in boxing, the Ali act would have prevented it.

 

Some people are just lost caused. You're a plank.

[arlenbalesmma]

Lesser promoter makes all the difference. The ali act is only enforced on the primary promoter, which is Mayweather. Do you think the UFC is stupid enough to not make this distinction? They werent going to give McGregor an out by giving him this fight. Keep being dumb kid. Its amusing.

Jesus fucking Christ you're a stupid cbomb alright. You jus don't fucking understand how it works.

[JLP]

It's also worth adding, this was just in relation to an individual bout, we were discussing contractual obligations, which would have been voided by the Ali act if the UFC fought against the bout.

wrong again chief. If the ali act voided the contract then they never would have let him have the boxing match. i cant believe anyone is dumb enough to think that a huge corporation like the ufc would make such a huge mistake.

[arlenbalesmma]

wrong again chief. If the ali act voided the contract then they never would have let him have the boxing match. i cant believe anyone is dumb enough to think that a huge corporation like the ufc would make such a huge mistake.

There just aren't any words to argue with this sort of stupidity.

[JLP]

Jesus fucking Christ you're a stupid cbomb alright. You jus don't fucking understand how it works.

I know how it worked. The UFC granted permission. The UFC still has McGregor under contract. Those two facts cant be argued and they say you are 100% wrong.

[arlenbalesmma]

I know how it worked. The UFC granted permission. The UFC still has McGregor under contract. Those two facts cant be argued and they say you are 100% wrong.

 

The Ali act trumps the contract. Proves you're 100% wrong.

[JLP]

There just aren't any words to argue with this sort of stupidity.

I love it when idiots run into facts. Blind stupid denial is the last recourse. Thanks for playing the game, sorry everyone saw how dopey you are.

[JLP]

The Ali act trumps the contract. Proves you're 100% wrong.

Ive covered this before. The ali act has nothing to do with mma. The UFC is not in violation of the ali act.

[arlenbalesmma]

I love it when idiots run into facts. Blind stupid denial is the last recourse. Thanks for playing the game, sorry everyone saw how dopey you are.

The fact is there's a federal law that prevents exactly what you're claiming to be "facts". That's just the way it is. You can act like a child all day if you want. Throw your dummy out of the pram. Scream and shout. Cry your fucking eyes out. But the law is the law and your dumbass can't change that.