St.Figenschou Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Did I just get manhandled by the judges? I mean, check out this one: http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=90452 So in the first round I get the knockdown right before the 2 min mark, and I stay on top for the entire fight, and he dominated me? So I end up losing the fight because my opponent lands 3 punches and 3 punch combos, and I only land 2 head kicks (1 knockdown), 27 elbows and 21 knees. I know there are bad refs, but this wouldn't even happen in a real fight, unless they were bribed. WERE THEY BRIBED? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Yeah I agree with you thats a tough one.. you landed 56 Blows he landed 7 lol edit - yeah thats a weird one. you were both cut in the fight and there was no groundwork so I think that had factors. ( rewatched it you mounted him and owned him so yea bad decision) AND WHy didnt u throw down a takedown?? you have feeble wrestling/blue vs woeful/white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Looking at it as a overall fight you could feel robbed but round by round it was quite close. In the first round, you only really got one good shot in even though that was a knockdown and so i can see why they gave him that round. Round 2 was also very close, his fighter controlled it positionally until the last minute or so and then you had a devastating 3rd round. That could have been a 10-8. However, the stats make it look more one sided than it actually was (at least in the first two rounds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Figenschou Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Looking at it as a overall fight you could feel robbed but round by round it was quite close. In the first round, you only really got one good shot in even though that was a knockdown and so i can see why they gave him that round. Round 2 was also very close, his fighter controlled it positionally until the last minute or so and then you had a devastating 3rd round. That could have been a 10-8. However, the stats make it look more one sided than it actually was (at least in the first two rounds) No, how can the first round be a close one, when he got knocked down, mounted, then was on bottom for over 3 minutes? I know lay'n'pray is fucking boring in game, and in real life, but there's a whole bunch of wrestlers that use it to win rounds. So in a normal mma fight, that round would be mine. It's not like Mike Tycoon has invented a new god damn sport with this game, so put back the mma part. I mean really, how can all 3 judges give the round to a guy that got knocked down, mounted and stayed on bottom for over 3 minutes without doing anything. And he only did 3 punches and 3 combos, so even if he landed all of it in the first round, I still should have taken that round. This should have been a 29-28 victory without a doubt. Bad judging happens, stoned+drunk+bribed judges shouldn't. Maybe Mike Tycoon doesn't like the ground part of mma, cause the ratings sure might suggest that. Put 2 slouches in, let em slug it out for 5 seconds and it's a 100% rating fight and the best god damn fight ever. Put two grappling specialist and you wont find a 100% fight, does that mean it's always boring? Does bjj automaticall make it boring? Well judging of how this game was made, it has made us believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djohn Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 No, how can the first round be a close one, when he got knocked down, mounted, then was on bottom for over 3 minutes? I know lay'n'pray is fucking boring in game, and in real life, but there's a whole bunch of wrestlers that use it to win rounds. So in a normal mma fight, that round would be mine. It's not like Mike Tycoon has invented a new god damn sport with this game, so put back the mma part. I mean really, how can all 3 judges give the round to a guy that got knocked down, mounted and stayed on bottom for over 3 minutes without doing anything. And he only did 3 punches and 3 combos, so even if he landed all of it in the first round, I still should have taken that round. This should have been a 29-28 victory without a doubt. Bad judging happens, stoned+drunk+bribed judges shouldn't. Maybe Mike Tycoon doesn't like the ground part of mma, cause the ratings sure might suggest that. Put 2 slouches in, let em slug it out for 5 seconds and it's a 100% rating fight and the best god damn fight ever. Put two grappling specialist and you wont find a 100% fight, does that mean it's always boring? Does bjj automaticall make it boring? Well judging of how this game was made, it has made us believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHU Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 No, how can the first round be a close one, when he got knocked down, mounted, then was on bottom for over 3 minutes? I know lay'n'pray is fucking boring in game, and in real life, but there's a whole bunch of wrestlers that use it to win rounds. So in a normal mma fight, that round would be mine. It's not like Mike Tycoon has invented a new god damn sport with this game, so put back the mma part. I mean really, how can all 3 judges give the round to a guy that got knocked down, mounted and stayed on bottom for over 3 minutes without doing anything. And he only did 3 punches and 3 combos, so even if he landed all of it in the first round, I still should have taken that round. This should have been a 29-28 victory without a doubt. Bad judging happens, stoned+drunk+bribed judges shouldn't. Maybe Mike Tycoon doesn't like the ground part of mma, cause the ratings sure might suggest that. Put 2 slouches in, let em slug it out for 5 seconds and it's a 100% rating fight and the best god damn fight ever. Put two grappling specialist and you wont find a 100% fight, does that mean it's always boring? Does bjj automaticall make it boring? Well judging of how this game was made, it has made us believe that. You didn't even anything on the ground from the statistics... So you pretty much bored the fans in a fight entirely on the feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Did I just get manhandled by the judges? I mean, check out this one: http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=90452 So in the first round I get the knockdown right before the 2 min mark, and I stay on top for the entire fight, and he dominated me? So I end up losing the fight because my opponent lands 3 punches and 3 punch combos, and I only land 2 head kicks (1 knockdown), 27 elbows and 21 knees. I know there are bad refs, but this wouldn't even happen in a real fight, unless they were bribed. WERE THEY BRIBED? What baffles me is how the fight wasn't stood up with one move being made in 2 mins from the 3min mark of the 1st. Tough break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Figenschou Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 You didn't even anything on the ground from the statistics... So you pretty much bored the fans in a fight entirely on the feet. Thanks for stating the obvious, but then again, hit and miss. This was never about how exciting this fight was, cause it was boring in this game, and would be boring in real life. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Gomez isn't a grappler, but I have several other grapplers who are yet to gain 100% fight ratings, even with quick subs. Now I want you to comment on the actual topic, thank you sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Well, if you want to get technical, all these fights are fought with statistical data. Whether you like it or not there are limitations to any system like that and without registering anything for that time, the stats would be more favourable for the opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Figenschou Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Well, if you want to get technical, all these fights are fought with statistical data. Whether you like it or not there are limitations to any system like that and without registering anything for that time, the stats would be more favourable for the opponent. Yeah, given that the opponent did do something, which he didn't... So full mount/top position/lay'n'pray equals losing the round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Yeah, given that the opponent did do something, which he didn't... So full mount/top position/lay'n'pray equals losing the round. this reeks i tell ya!! not saying mods are getting bribed or anything (ok, maybe, lol) but this just reeks. had something similar happen to me the other time on a more serious note though, is judging more hit than miss? if it is then maybe we should just take these occasional glitches as bad decisions and just go with the mentality it happens in real life. maybe its a code put in by mike tycoon to simulate reality or something...its like Dana says, "dont leave it in the hands of these fucking judges, finish the fucking fights". i even had another match where my guy takes him down in the first minute, mounts him and just keeps pounding his face for the rest of the round with no ref stoppage. the other guy was injured for about 21 days or something. but its a fledgling game, whatever issues will be sorted out in time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Think about how many fights there are per day. Think about how many of those go to decisions. If every person got jobbed, 90% of the threads here would be ones where the losers are bitching and moaning. If you've read the wiki, it clearly states (somewhere) that there are good judges and bad judges, just like in real life. This is a simulation-style game and bad decisions were programmed into the code to mirror real judges, although the game doesn't give enough bad decisions - they happen way, way more in real life. In that sense you should be happy that the game isn't really a true simulation. It's very rare that someone actually gets fucked over hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 bad decision but who cares besides you? happens irl it should happen in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 bad decision but who cares besides you? happens irl it should happen in the game. Like Dana White always says " Dont like it go to the *beeping* judges" he really does swear a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviAJones Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 In the first round, you had one piece of offense. That's it. He connected with more and avoided all of your clinch attempts. Then you sat there and did nothing for three minutes. It's not some complex algorithm. Just look at what happened instead of looking at the end of fight stats and going "I got robbed! I better tell everyone on the forum!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 In the first round, you had one piece of offense. That's it. He connected with more and avoided all of your clinch attempts. Then you sat there and did nothing for three minutes. It's not some complex algorithm. Just look at what happened instead of looking at the end of fight stats and going "I got robbed! I better tell everyone on the forum!!" ^^^this!!!! now who's next to make a thread," how did i lose?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 In the first round, you had one piece of offense. That's it. He connected with more and avoided all of your clinch attempts. Then you sat there and did nothing for three minutes. It's not some complex algorithm. Just look at what happened instead of looking at the end of fight stats and going "I got robbed! I better tell everyone on the forum!!" This guy is absolutely right, you landed one shot and then although you had dominant position, literally did nothing. I agree this is a close call but honestly I can't argue against it and the fact that you are up in arms about it makes me laugh. These things happen. As others have said, if you don't want this to happen then finish the fight. No one likes judges for a reason, don't give them a say in the matter and it will be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Figenschou Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 In the first round, you had one piece of offense. That's it. He connected with more and avoided all of your clinch attempts. Then you sat there and did nothing for three minutes. It's not some complex algorithm. Just look at what happened instead of looking at the end of fight stats and going "I got robbed! I better tell everyone on the forum!!" Ehm, I didn't know that the following: Gomez takes a punch to the jaw and another one to the bread basket. And: A nice combination there by Stone. Beats the following: Gomez sets himself and throws a head kick that knocks Stone to the ground! Gomez dives into full mount looking to finish! AND BEING IN FULL MOUNT for over 3 minutes. So I really wonder who should look better the next time before you rant out some random stuff without actually what you're talking about. Maybe two punch combos scores better than a knockdown and full mount for over 3 minutes. Ehm, who the hell am I kidding here... And yeah, he avoided my clinch, but for your information, R Stone missed 15 head punches, 17 punch combos, 1 head kick and 5 leg kicks. And the most funny part is, the two closest rounds (1 & 2) were being dominated by Mr. Stone, but if you read the actual commentery, you're in for a real surprise. And the 3rd round, which was as dominant as can be, was only won comfortably. Hell, maybe he won that too, or what'cha think Mr LeviAJones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthetop2 Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Oi guys, calm down, the last thing someone wants after he believes the sim screwed him is a bunch of guys hurling eleventy kinds of abuse at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 This guy is absolutely right, you landed one shot and then although you had dominant position, literally did nothing. I agree this is a close call but honestly I can't argue against it and the fact that you are up in arms about it makes me laugh. These things happen. As others have said, if you don't want this to happen then finish the fight. No one likes judges for a reason, don't give them a say in the matter and it will be just fine. funny you say that cos i lost a match where my guy takes him down and is trying all the time to finish and yet when he gets on top he just lays there and its still my guy trying to finish from the bottom and got the whole controlling scores points crap...now its the opposite huh. it just seems if people dont know for sure, they shouldnt comment especially when they are being nasty about it (i dont mean just you, hokies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 computer fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 funny you say that cos i lost a match where my guy takes him down and is trying all the time to finish and yet when he gets on top he just lays there and its still my guy trying to finish from the bottom and got the whole controlling scores points crap...now its the opposite huh. it just seems if people dont know for sure, they shouldnt comment especially when they are being nasty about it (i dont mean just you, hokies) you tried subs and failed so the other guy got points for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 funny you say that cos i lost a match where my guy takes him down and is trying all the time to finish and yet when he gets on top he just lays there and its still my guy trying to finish from the bottom and got the whole controlling scores points crap...now its the opposite huh. it just seems if people dont know for sure, they shouldnt comment especially when they are being nasty about it (i dont mean just you, hokies) So long as you were having success while trying to finish you should have scored points, if you spammed subs and got nothing then that would make sense. Now I don't know your situation I'm just trying to explain it. And my post wasn't to say that people dont get screwed, it was to say if you have your sliders set 100% to control on ground then I feel you deserve to lose. For 3 minutes he made not one action, that in itself in my opinion gives the round to his opponent. A dominant position is only dominant if you do something with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 So long as you were having success while trying to finish you should have scored points, if you spammed subs and got nothing then that would make sense. Now I don't know your situation I'm just trying to explain it. And my post wasn't to say that people dont get screwed, it was to say if you have your sliders set 100% to control on ground then I feel you deserve to lose. For 3 minutes he made not one action, that in itself in my opinion gives the round to his opponent. A dominant position is only dominant if you do something with it. that is what he did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 So long as you were having success while trying to finish you should have scored points, if you spammed subs and got nothing then that would make sense. Now I don't know your situation I'm just trying to explain it. And my post wasn't to say that people dont get screwed, it was to say if you have your sliders set 100% to control on ground then I feel you deserve to lose. For 3 minutes he made not one action, that in itself in my opinion gives the round to his opponent. A dominant position is only dominant if you do something with it. like i said, the guy gets top position and does nothing. no strikes no subs and gets points for that. but i just accepted it as a bad decision.thats what im saying , no need to start analysing and whatever and trying to fit square pegs in round holes. none of us knows but Mike Tycoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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