Old and tired, just cans with belts strapped onto them at this point.. if I could just motivate my alliance and myself to go beat you up. But even if we did that now people would just say it doesn't count because game is not as active as it used to be and they wouldn't be totally wrong I guess. I was really hoping tycoon 2.0 would stir new life into things, bring some good competition and make it worth the effort.