Duxwig Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Why was the discussion closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Why was the discussion closed. Looks like it may have been deleted as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I'd like to know this as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I too would like to know what happened here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 it's a witch hunt clearly having 12x4 elite gyms and a ton of bookies sitting with 3 mil is sustainable while burning piles of money monthly offering 40k signing bonuses to 0-0 fighters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Here is Leo's gym- http://www.mmatycoon.com/gympublic.php?gmid=1360 His hidden bookmakers that had around 10 million stored last night- http://www.mmatycoon.com/bookmakerpublic.php?bid=662 http://www.mmatycoon.com/bookmakerpublic.php?bid=601 http://www.mmatycoon.com/bookmakerpublic.php?bid=383 http://www.mmatycoon.com/bookmakerpublic.php?bid=381 His suspected multi-http://www.mmatycoon.com/managerprofilemanager.php?MgrID=32018 The suspected multi's gym- http://www.mmatycoon.com/gympublic.php?gmid=1296 Two of the fighters in that gym are contacted to superfights, one is even scheduled to fight one of Leo's guys! Listen I'm no french expert but do names like Franky seem very french to you? Not to mention they have 7 superfights fight orgs running right now with roughly 730 fighters between them and they are still signing people, and were apparently giving out 30k signing bonuses to 0-0 fighters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 This is what I think happened, and I PMd Mike Tycoon about it: There was a bug that allows you to generate infinite money via sponsorships. Mike's fixed it now, so don't try it. Basically, you could mash "accept" a bunch and you'd get the full sponsorship value for every click you pulled off before the window reloaded. My suspicion is that back when Leo had his nutrition company before the bug was fixed, he registered a bunch of multis using proxies to avoid being caught again. He made the alliance MMABR with these proxies (have you ever seen any other MMABR members post on the forums?). Now, he used WIN Nutrition to send sponsorships to all these multis, and then exploited the bug to fill their bank accounts with a ridiculous amount of money. Then he opened the bookies that have come to light in this thread with those multis to funnel the exploit money later. Then he closes WIN and opens Superfights. Now he's using those bookies as swiss bank accounts to funnel money into Superfights, which is why he's able to run at such a steep loss. Who knows what his long-term plan is, but it's screwing up the legitimate in-game ecosystem right now. Now, you might say that it's implausible that someone would go to the trouble to do all this. But the someone I'm talking about is dedicated enough to post regularly on the forums through effing Google Translate. He has to paste every single one of our posts in to Google Translate, read them, then write a response and translate it back, and then post it using a forum whose interface isn't even in a language he reads. He has to do the same for all the game pages. This dude is obsessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 This is what I think happened, and I PMd Mike Tycoon about it: There was a bug that allows you to generate infinite money via sponsorships. Mike's fixed it now, so don't try it. Basically, you could mash "accept" a bunch and you'd get the full sponsorship value for every click you pulled off before the window reloaded. My suspicion is that back when Leo had his nutrition company before the bug was fixed, he registered a bunch of multis using proxies to avoid being caught again. He made the alliance MMABR with these proxies (have you ever seen any other MMABR members post on the forums?). Now, he used WIN Nutrition to send sponsorships to all these multis, and then exploited the bug to fill their bank accounts with a ridiculous amount of money. Then he opened the bookies that have come to light in this thread with those multis to funnel the exploit money later. Then he closes WIN and opens Superfights. Now he's using those bookies as swiss bank accounts to funnel money into Superfights, which is why he's able to run at such a steep loss. Who knows what his long-term plan is, but it's screwing up the legitimate in-game ecosystem right now. Now, you might say that it's implausible that someone would go to the trouble to do all this. But the someone I'm talking about is dedicated enough to post regularly on the forums through effing Google Translate. He has to paste every single one of our posts in to Google Translate, read them, then write a response and translate it back, and then post it using a forum whose interface isn't even in a language he reads. He has to do the same for all the game pages. This dude is obsessed. It's funny the only mmabr members that have posted on the forums in the superfights thread raved about what a good and honorable man Leo is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I took a screenshot of the bookies last night so those of you that didn't see how much cash they had I will show you. http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7056/92914641.png http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4223/douches.png http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9813/fagsd.png http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8679/gayl.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 This is pretty damn ridiculous. Something should be done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 It seems fishy....but I subscribe to the whole "innocent until proven guilty" line of thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxwig Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 It's funny the only mmabr members that have posted on the forums in the superfights thread raved about what a good and honorable man Leo is. I was going to be fair and say that yes, MMABR folks have posted except its always about how he's such a great guy...from someone with a weird username who's never posted before and posting MINUTES after Leo posts. Sometimes a few of them in succession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 It's funny the only mmabr members that have posted on the forums in the superfights thread raved about what a good and honorable man Leo is. I post in the foruns. And that wasnt my behavior... And about the english stuff... Hey may barelly understand when he reads it, but doesn't have the vocabulary neither the knowledge to formulate the answers, hence the googling. Just a thought. He may google it all, thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I've got to give Leo some props if he's cheated his way to become a millionaire and didn't get caught til now that is then congratulations you had a good run MMATycoon will probably never see another cheater quite like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Very good points.. I think something should be done for sure, or at least strongly looked at by Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 It seems fishy....but I subscribe to the whole "innocent until proven guilty" line of thinking. He has multiple gyms with 12 coaches that are elite in every primary and the best you can put out there is "fishy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Has he admitted to cheating? Has Mike said the guy is a cheater? maybe he's just a really really good fake businessman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I have to go with DB on that one. Something is odd for sure, they need to be an investigation before we can call out the guy a cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Has he admitted to cheating? Has Mike said the guy is a cheater? maybe he's just a really really good fake businessman? Even the most successful orgs in the game don't have nearly as much money as he's already pissed away in one month. There's no way to make that much money within the bounds of game mechanics. Just do the match on how much he could possibly have made on WIN in the time it was open with a full stock of supps costing 300 bucks. Then look at how much money his org is losing. Sorry, he's not financing that org based on the money he made doing supps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Why was the discussion closed. Probably because it turned into a poop-flinging party. Much like this one has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Has he admitted to cheating? He has admitted to being a multi-accounter in the past. Nothing recently though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I have to go with DB on that one. Something is odd for sure, they need to be an investigation before we can call out the guy a cheat. At a certain point it just can't be legitimate. Its like when a gangster has a mansion and 3 bentleys. I think the IRS would start freezing everything so they can sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 If nothing else, it should be fully investigated by Mike. Can we create a new company type in the game? We can call them auditors and they can follow the money trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Bascially it is IMPOSSIBLE, for him to have made that much money in the time he did. I will put my neck on the block and say that right now. I dont think he did it legally, if he somehow managed what no one else in the history of this game has ever managed (without cheating) then I will apologise and make ammends. Its just the more 'evidence' that creeps out shows how implausible it is. Like it has been said, no one else has ever had that much money to waste, even those who have started over a year ago (and waste being the word, not invest or use productively - he is literally pissing away a million a week on gyms etc). Im not particularly bothered about the cheating, in fact I like how inventive it was and how much effort has gone into it. I respect that side of it all. But it is screwing with an already shitty in game economy. This alone is my problem with it. If it was the sponsor bug that has been fixed, then we can cross one tactic off of the list. We also need to get rid of stealth companies because it is making it hard to find these things earlier. That cannot be hard to do since you can force people to enter data into fields before they can submit. Im a bit pissed the last thread was closed. If slagging matches happen (I personally didnt see that, but it was over 12 hours ago I last viewed it) delete the posts and warn the people who did it, dont fuck up a thread by removing it from the forum. If the mods think the thread is over, close it but leave it be. I personally hate the fact when something actually interesting (however controversial) happens here it is shot down, yet the blatant trolling and the +1 shit remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 The last time I saw the previous thread, it was quite civilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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