Guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I need your opinions on how to train a submission fighter. What abilities to train, kind of sparring, supplements that could help, anything you know. Also post any training tactics for other types of fighters. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I really dont know much about specialized ground/subs guys. Most of my guys are just well rounded guys that can take it to the ground if necessary. I'm aiming for this with thisfighter though Boxing Superb Muay Thai Superb Wrestling Elite BJJ Elite Punches Elite Kicks Useless Elbows Useless Knees Useless Clinchwork Elite Striking Defense Elite Ground n Pound Elite Takedown Off Elite Takedown Def Wonderful Submissions Elite Defensive Grap Elite, 15 (0)-- I'd probably get bored and stop and exceptional/sensational at some of those lol. But neway I imagine that's what a specialized ground/sub guy is suppose to look like under the current training changes. Either say you will need def g, subs, takedown d (So when you dont get taken down it doesnt go str8 to mount), tkd o, GnP(softens up for subs), sd, and some kind of offense on the feet to mix it up while u get it to the ground. I'm sure some other more ground savvy will chime in to help u more. Sparring - Just spar what you need to get to the level you want Supplements - Just use the supplement that your training. Muscle for strength training, Stamina for cardio, and Recovery for coach/spar sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarMachine Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I don't think with these new training changes your going to get to elite in all of those skills. I think exceptional/sensational is more realistic. Training seems so damn slow these days unless I've got really slow learners like 12 sessions woeful. That is just a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 My averagely fast learner did Woeful in 7. My faster one, 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 My TUM guy went from useless to strong in 22 sessions which isn't horrific Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 What do you mean by these sessions? Sessions of a specific training i.e sub offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 A session = one solitary session, so 12 sessions is 6 full days of training etc etc And yeah people mean with 1on1 training, using an elite coach training just that specific secondary as a rule of thumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 there are 6 things you need to be REALLY FREAKING GOOD at to be a submission fighter those are flexibility, speed, balance, submission offense, defensive grappling, and of course BJJ, for the physicals (except for flex) should be at least wonderful, flex should be sensational, and all secondaries should be close to sensational or better if possible. however, this is for mid to top tier fighters and this is just strictly focusing of BJJ related physicals and secondaries, secondaries you will also need are a striking secondary, clinch, strike defense, ground and pound, and some TDD so you dont get victimized by the stand up then take down strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 there are 6 things you need to be REALLY FREAKING GOOD at to be a submission fighter those are flexibility, speed, balance, submission offense, defensive grappling, and of course BJJ, for the physicals (except for flex) should be at least wonderful, flex should be sensational, and all secondaries should be close to sensational or better if possible. however, this is for mid to top tier fighters and this is just strictly focusing of BJJ related physicals and secondaries, secondaries you will also need are a striking secondary, clinch, strike defense, ground and pound, and some TDD so you dont get victimized by the stand up then take down strategy. Wow. Thanks for the specific breakdown. Created 3 fighters and for this one guy I think I'm going to get flooded by all these. Now, fortunately, during my fighter's character creation I managed to do a decent job on allocating most of my points those said attributes. Happy with that, I think I need a gym to give me good training on these attributes. But, as you said earlier, those are BJJ related only. I think I'm going to mix a bit of stand-up game, preferably punches plus good GNP. This is A LOT for a newbie like me. Really great tip though and I'm going to use this as my guide. Going to focus on BJJ until I get to strong on the main attributes. Hopefully the slider tactics would help me get on an all ground game approach with minimal stand-ups in my fights. Thanks for the comments guys. Truly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 no problem man, if you need any help with sliders, dont be afraid to message me in game, im decent with slides and can help you with basic understanding of the ground game and just the sliders in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Yeah. Gotta consult you if I really have trouble (Going to see my slider efficiency after 2 or 3 fights). I want to experience first hand the sliders. Get a feel out of it and hopefully get a good setting for my fighters in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 yeah, the best way to learn sliders is by using them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fade2black Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 As Funny as this sounds, all submission fighters need to start with wrestling, because with wonderful wrestling / takedowns / clinchwork, your fighter can actually be decent early in his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeguardian Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I really dont know much about specialized ground/subs guys. Most of my guys are just well rounded guys that can take it to the ground if necessary. I'm aiming for this with thisfighter though Boxing Superb Muay Thai Superb Wrestling Elite BJJ Elite Punches Elite Kicks Useless Elbows Useless Knees Useless Clinchwork Elite Striking Defense Elite Ground n Pound Elite Takedown Off Elite Takedown Def Wonderful Submissions Elite Defensive Grap Elite, 15 (0)-- I'd probably get bored and stop and exceptional/sensational at some of those lol. But neway I imagine that's what a specialized ground/sub guy is suppose to look like under the current training changes. Either say you will need def g, subs, takedown d (So when you dont get taken down it doesnt go str8 to mount), tkd o, GnP(softens up for subs), sd, and some kind of offense on the feet to mix it up while u get it to the ground. I'm sure some other more ground savvy will chime in to help u more. Sparring - Just spar what you need to get to the level you want Supplements - Just use the supplement that your training. Muscle for strength training, Stamina for cardio, and Recovery for coach/spar sessions. Otherwise you may also want to train him in throwing good kicks, since as far as I know each landed leg kick makes it a bit more difficult to stop your takedowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hmmm. So it seems that there are many different approaches for a submission guy. Probably it depends on your tactis. Let's say you favor a guy who goes clinching then shoot for the takedown. Or the usual wrestler with minimal standup. The "Im-gonna-soften-you-up-with-kicks-first" fighters. In this case I got the stats I need to build up on. The main ones. What kind of fighter my guy is going to be is still to be decided. But I want this guy to have some good boxing, competent GNP and I want to go for cardio on this guy. That's the start I want to give my fighter. How do you guys think he'll fare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I'd go to wonderful GnP if you can, will REALLY help keep the fight in the ground without stand-up and help to get the submission. Look at it as tactical awareness to set up a submission or to get the opponent to move to where you want him, and if you can't land punches (even soft ones) on the ground you can't put pressure on to cause the opening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Mike is right here, however depending on how soon you want to fight you can be a little flexible with this. you can start with wrestling if you want to fight early, but if you want to go long term, go jits with subs and defensive grappling and clinch, this way by training up GnP and take downs you get your wrestling to about superb just from training those to wonderful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Exactly, I should have said as a long term goal there. It's not essential as competent will work fine at lower levels to start with but end goal ideally would be wonderful or above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 So far the training my submission guy has: BJJ sparring - 2 sessions per week Boxing sparring - 1 session per week Takedowns, Clinchwork, Sub Offense and Takedown Defense, Defensive Grappling and GNP at one session per week. Plus a General Circuit training once a week. Then 2 no trainings. Any opinions on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 So far the training my submission guy has: BJJ sparring - 2 sessions per week Boxing sparring - 1 session per week Takedowns, Clinchwork, Sub Offense and Takedown Defense, Defensive Grappling and GNP at one session per week. Plus a General Circuit training once a week. Then 2 no trainings. Any opinions on this? Focus on less stuff at one time. You shouldnt try to learn all that stuff at the same time IMO. Maybe do deg grap to remark/wondi then sub, then tkd d. I would hold off on the BJJ sparring til I am done training the secondaries. You should b at a decent bjj level w/o sparring when you get done with training the secondaries that affect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Focus on less stuff at one time. You shouldnt try to learn all that stuff at the same time IMO. Maybe do deg grap to remark/wondi then sub, then tkd d. I would hold off on the BJJ sparring til I am done training the secondaries. You should b at a decent bjj level w/o sparring when you get done with training the secondaries that affect it. this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Oohh. Maybe lessen the BJJ to 1 session, retain the boxing and the general training then go for 5 session a week for Def Grap and one session of Sub offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Correction, I have 6 sessions of Def Grap a week, 2 sub offense, 1 BJJ and Boxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexiZaitev Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 that should get you a pop a week for defensive grappling if the coach is double elite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hmmm. I think I kinda get how training works. The energy levels my next prob. Just finisihed a fight yesterday and I think my guy is in the 80% mark. He has a no training today and going full the next few days (Next no training is on wednesday). How much is the energy consumption per training? Approximates? I gave my guy a supplement. But I think its for sparring only. Hmmm. A recovery supplement I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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