Frank Mir Wants Rematch!

[Guest]

Frank Mir has claimed that Brock Lesnar is an embarrassment to the sport of MMA, and that he embarrassed himself and his children. Mir wants a rematch, claiming that he was "within half-an-inch of catching him".

 

CREDIT: WrestlingObserver.com

 

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Apparently that fight gave him brain damage if he thought he was close to winning it.

[Vandarlay]

i always pick jiujitsu guys. except mir. after all his trash talk & him losing badly he still won't give credit to lesnar. lesnar has no way to go but up in terms of skills development while mir imo has reached his apex when he beat a sick nog. i hope the rubber match happens soon but seeing that the ufc hw division has lots of wrestlers & strikers, mir will never get a hold of the ufc belt again.

[Guest]

Really don't want to see them fight again. It will end the same as the second.

 

Brock by 1st/2nd round TKO if it happens

[MMATycoon]

He knows he won't get a rematch so he can afford to say whatever he wants basically... he really needs to say something like that to keep his rep and to sound positive and relevant.

[dontcareaboutmyid]

He really should have gone for the flying armbar.

 

/I was also hoping that lesnar would power bomb him while stuck in a triangle.

//all my fantasy ufc/mma was lesnar 2nd round ground and pound. Made 761 dollars off him to in the fantasy bets.

///no real money to bet

[Guest]

Anyone have a pic of Mir's face after this fight?

[Guest]

Mir is a joke

[Guest]

if mir can climb back to be contender i wouldn't mind seeing a third. it's 1-1 right? settle it once and for all.

[LanceTempleton]

Anyone have a pic of Mir's face after this fight?

 

 

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/gsf4lyfe/brockhungry.jpg

[supremeknight]

Although I didn't like how Brock's post fight interview went in the ring, I have no desire to see him bully Mir around in the ring again. The same result may very well happen unless Frank Mir can come up with a defense of that Lay and Pray that Lesnar was employing. Excellent strategy on his part if you ask me. People knock that Lesnar just laid on top of Mir causing him to exert energy to move around...I say bravo for using your 300 lb body...

[jennatolls]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/gsf4lyfe/brockhungry.jpg

 

rofl

[Guest]

The same result may very well happen unless Frank Mir can come up with a defense of that Lay and Pray that Lesnar was employing. Excellent strategy on his part if you ask me. People knock that Lesnar just laid on top of Mir causing him to exert energy to move around...I say bravo for using your 300 lb body...

 

LOL

[misfire200]

LOL

 

i would much rather see Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar in the ring than a rematch of Mir/Lesnar.

[jennatolls]

i would much rather see Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar in the ring than a rematch of Mir/Lesnar.

 

 

yeah mir vs lesnar would happen the same way the second fight did, mir stands no chance his cocky ass should pipe down

 

carwin is the only threat to lesnar in the ufc, other than that its fedor..which i personally think lesnar would beat carwin and could possibly beat fedor, either way it would be the hardest fight in fedors life

 

 

 

brock had an excellent gameplan going into that second fight, brock not only was unharmed in it..his hair was still perfect, fact is brock could fight the next day and be in fine shape and mir got beaten within an inch of his life

[dunster]

did everyone miss the bit where mir nearly knocked lesnar out? i am happy that lesnar won, i have always said he would dominate even before he was in the ufc, but come on, he was almost laid out with that knee. he isnt as invincible as people are making out, no ones give him a proper good clout yet. i used to think people were dreaming when they said mirko could possibly beat brock, but i see it now if mirko came in in top form. same with any other top striker really, they need to implement a stick and move game plan and pull it off to perfection which is easier said than done, but it could happen

[darkstar]

Lol, Lesnar was barely even rocked, never mind nearly knocked out. Really, he made a big error in letting Mir back up, and damn but old Frankie boy did a good job of forcing Lesnar back to regroup. I admit when I first watched it I worried for Lesnar, but that knee did nothing more than look good and make Brock try to move back.

 

Brock has taken some decent shots in the past (Couture landed a couple of orkers on him) and his head barely moved, the guy has one hell of a chin up to now. I honestly think anyone outside of Fedor will struggle hugely. And even Fedor I think would have a damned hard fight with no certainty of a win.

[FrankyFin]

I honestly think anyone outside of Fedor will struggle hugely. And even Fedor I think would have a damned hard fight with no certainty of a win.

if theres anyone who isnt afraid of Brock its Fedor. listen, Brock is waaaaay bigger than Fedor and on another danger-level than Sylvia or Choi. but Fedor will know what Brock would like to do to him and prepare for it. one little mistake from Brock is all Fedor would need. but lets forget about Brock/Fedor (no sight of that ever happening). i think there are some HWs in the UFC who could give Brock his moneys worth.

 

 

[Guest]

He never said Fedor was scared and while I agree Lesnar would lose that fight, there's no certainty that he wouldn't. We're not exactly talking Silva/Franklin III with those two.

 

carwin is the only threat to lesnar in the ufc

Nogueira. It took coming off a staph infection in his elbow just a few weeks before the fight and suffering a serious knee injury 3 days before the fight that needed surgery, but was postponed until after the Mir fight for someone to actually finish him.

 

did everyone miss the bit where mir nearly knocked lesnar out? i am happy that lesnar won, i have always said he would dominate even before he was in the ufc, but come on, he was almost laid out with that knee.

Uh, he caught the knee after hit, held onto it, and caught the other knee after it landed to follow through with the Takedown. He musta been really rocked to pull that off. The only person with a remote chance of laying out Lesnar is Carwin.

[JKstar]

Brock was so not even phased by Mir's knee. It was within a minute of that knee Mir got KTFO!! Mir was lucky in the first fight he knew it and in this fight Brock Proved it! So Brock beat the Legend Couture, the Former HW champ in Mir (basically twice) and a gimme fight against the Texas Crazy horse and basically coming into the UFC with hardly no exp people all over still want to hate on his skills?? unbelievable.

 

Fact is Brock is a physical freak! His power, size and speed for a man his size is uncanny. Now let's face facts Brock is not going to be an awesome stand-up striker and be able to go toe-to-toe with top HW strikers. WHY WOULD HE??? there is no reason! Sure he'll learn to strike a bit to keep people honest but he is going to manhandle them get it to the floor and GnP you into a bloody pulp that's his game and until someone can stop it that's all he needs to do! He is a wrestler, he knows how to square up his body, use his weight and strength to his advantage. Sick of this Lay and Pray BS, the only person Lay and Praying was Frank Mir, he was praying for Brock to stop caving in his face. Can you Imagine what is going to happen if/when Brock learns how to pass guard and get into Full Mount?? Jesus that's scary..

 

Onto Fedor.... While I admit i have seen only clips of Fedor and not full fights I cannot say he would destroy Brock with ease. I dunno the politics behind why Fedor chooses to not fight for the UFC (i'm sure Dana White has offered him more money then anyone to fight int he UFC) but till that happens we'll never see that fight, I'd love to see it. Also some sick twisted part of me is hoping Kimbo Slice wins TUF 10 and somehow can make it to face Brock so Brock can shut is mouth up once and for all.

[Guest]

you've never seen a full fedor fight? you definitely need to do something about that.

 

i also dont know how mir got lucky the first time. he got brock's leg and was in a position to snap it in half...but brock did the smart thing and gave up before that. mir tapped brock out...no luck at all. the outcome of the second fight has no bearing on what happened the first time. brock won this time but that doesnt mean mir didnt beat him the first time. brock was just better prepared this time. there really is no such thing as a lucky submission...brock just didnt fight very smart, heh.

 

i wouldnt wanna see brock and mir fight again right away, but who knows how it'll go down in the future. if mir gets some wins and puts himself in title contention, then i see no reason why it shouldnt happen. even if brock loses in the near future, then it could definitely be a good time to set up the rubber match between mir and brock. brock had his chance to avenge a loss to mir...why shouldnt mir get the same if he ends up in that position?

 

brock was hurt by the knee...he even said he was hurt by it at the post fight press conference. he recovered quick, but he was hurt. i also dont think lesnar has to learn how to pass guard and mount people. he knows how to do that stuff...he just doesnt use it because he's one of those guys that doesnt want to lose position in a fight. staying in half guard against frank was actually pretty smart because he was able to control mir's hip movement that way. the herring fight showed that lesnar was a fighter who was about safe positioning, not dominant positioning.

 

if brock and fedor fought at this point fedor would win. mir has a history of folding under pressure. if you punch mir in the face a few times he isnt the same guy. mir isnt someone like nogueira who will fight until the death if he has to. it was a good win for brock and it proved he could hang on the ground in a sense, but finishing mir isnt something people should be going crazy over.

[Guest]

Mir doesn't deserve the same chance because everyone knows that fight was given to him by the ref. Yes, the rules don't allow for strikes to the back of the head, but there was no visible warning before the stand up or point deduction.

 

Onto Fedor.... While I admit i have seen only clips of Fedor and not full fights I cannot say he would destroy Brock with ease. I dunno the politics behind why Fedor chooses to not fight for the UFC (i'm sure Dana White has offered him more money then anyone to fight int he UFC)

You can find tons of his fights through searching with Google. Full fights.

 

Dana will never sign Fedor as his contracts are set up to protect the UFC and it's brand. Fedor wants to be able to compete in Sambo, but Dana will not allow that. If Fedor were to become UFC Champion and never lost, he would never be able to leave the company. That's how UFC contracts are set up and it was how Dana got Couture back, keeping him champion while having an Interim belt. The contract could expire on time, but would still be valid because of that clause. However, Fedor could be dropped from the roster with a lost. Dana also claimed Fedor wanted contracts for fighters in his camp which he isn't gonna do.

 

[Guest]

Mir doesn't deserve the same chance because everyone knows that fight was given to him by the ref. Yes, the rules don't allow for strikes to the back of the head, but there was no visible warning before the stand up or point deduction.

 

 

everyone knows that? i didnt, heh. i dont know whether or not the ref warned lesnar or not. it was a big fight and the arena was loud, so who knows. either way lesnar did hit mir in the back of the head. if lesnar was truly the better fighter at that point then he wouldnt have got caught in the kneebar...it's that simple. no matter how you try to spin it or how you look at it, brock got submitted by mir the first time. mir wasnt the one tapping at the end of the night. brock came back and beat mir up pretty bad in the rematch, but dont make bad excuses for the result in the first fight.

[Guest]

Everyone that has ranted on that fight has seen it more than once. He never motions or gestures in any shape or form that would suggest a warning until the stand up. Lesnar was the better fighter, but no one is infallible, except Fedor. Even Anderson Silva has gotten caught. It was only his second fight, ever. Mazzagatti had an agenda during that fight because he is looking directly at Lesnar's hand when he begins to tap and doesn't call the fight until several long seconds later. Mir had actually gotten better by the second fight. All Brock changed in that fight was his anxiousness and making sure Mazzagatti didn't ref the damn thing.

[Guest]

thats' a good conspriacy theory. mazzagatti and his porn stache obviously hate pro wrestlers, heh. now you're jsut reaching...you can do better than that.

 

the first fight proved one thing....and that was that brock had holes in his game. he came out and fought like a crackhead on meth. he had no patience and no type of pace set for the fight. it also seemed like he completely abandoned any type of gameplan they conceived before the fight. i dont know how you get kneebarred in under a minute and prove to be the better fighter...but ok, heh. he definitely proved to be the better fight in the long run, but i'm not so sure he was at the time. brock didnt know how to control himself and he obviously had some holes in his sub defense...those were obvious holes in his game and they worked against him. he lost because of those problems and we saw what happened when he fixed them...he dominated.

 

i'll compare it to this...everyone always says rampage was screwed against wanderlei the first time they fought. they say that if the ref didnt stand them up the fight wouldve turned out differently. i dont know if that's true or not. i can sit here all day and think about how things couldve been if they werent stood up, just like i could do with the mir/lesnar situation. only one thing was definitive in that fight though, and that was that rampage clearly had no defense for the muay thai clinch. you dont get kneed in the face 87 times for no reason, it's because the other guy is superior to you in that element of the game. this hole was once again exposed when rampage and wanderlei fought for the second time.

 

i dont know how much of an effect had on the mir/lesnar fight...you dont know how much effect of it had, no one has any idea how much it changed the fight. right now it's just an excuse, because whether you like it or not...mir's hand was raised at the end of the night.

[Chris2K]

Perhaps more important than the fact that Lesnar would probably do the same thing again is the fact that I, as a UFC fan, don't want to see a third match.

 

Some re-matches become worthy of a third like Couture/Liddell or Silva/Rampage, but these two were very similar matches that had a different result each time because of an inexeperience factor.