Guest Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 http://giant.gfycat.com/SecondaryTimelyErin.gif That was some relaxed way of subbing a dude. He might be the only guy that really uses BJJ in a real offensive way and not just when you get caught on a TD(back), flashsub given by the opponent or after smacking a guy with GnP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 yea he messed fitch up last night bad -- fitch caught him with couple good shots and rung his bell but still got caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Looks like he held on for too long ..... again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyJones Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Looks like he held on for too long ..... again When I first saw the highlight, that was my exact thought. WTF is up with that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Looks like he held on for too long ..... again come on, I hope you're not serious on that one. what about entwistle last night? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) I don't get all the issues here with leglocks. I have a very basic real BJJ knowledge with only having done 1 and half year BJJ; and I hate leglocks because I suck at them and also because I'm terrified of them(I'm already over 30 and have been giving dance lessons for a living this past year) but... ...it seems to me that a fighter does know when he is or not caught in a leglock and waiting until it hurts is just being real dumb. Joe Rogan pointed out the same: the sub being held to long is not the deal here, the fact that the fighter waits way too long to tap is the cause of the damage. If fighters would wait as long to tap from a RNC as they do from a leglock, most of them would pass out unconsciously. And check the gif again. From the moment fitch starts tapping to a clear release of the hold is max 2 secs.(and just 1 sec from the time the ref stops the fight) Edited December 14, 2014 by Torrelio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 i dont think he held it too long -- i watched the fight last night and i think he did fine -- its just leg locks are dangerous as stated -- plus the ref needs to be right there and ready cause just like palhares and others say they dont let go till ref jumps in -- cause palhares done lost one fight by letting go at the tap and ref not seeing it -- you only make that mistake once and it teaches you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Looks better than last time to me. He was rolling with little-to-no steady points of contact on the ground of his own, it wouldn't have been practical for him to just let go as soon as he feels the tap, his own body weight would have been uncontrolled on that leg too probably damaging it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 It still looks just a bit late of a release imo. Fitch taps like 4 times before the ref steps in, then 5 more after that. Just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce7 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I have to agree with KRad, it looks early compared to his last few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 It still looks just a bit late of a release imo. Fitch taps like 4 times before the ref steps in, then 5 more after that. Just my opinion Not trying to be on the palhares fan wagon but he's not really supposed to let go when the opponent taps, he's supposed to let go when the ref stops the fight. It's the ref's job to make sure the time between tapping and stopping the fight is close to none. Same way you don't stop GnP before the ref steps in. There should be better training on the refs to make them recognize that any leglock attempt is a potential fight finisher and so they should be really close to the action whenever a leglock is attempted; and not look for afar until it's too late and then take 4 secs running to stop the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madness Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 His problem is he usually doesn't let go when the ref stops him either. This time wasn't nearly as bad as usual, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handgrenaide Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think this is one of the worst ways you can win. Right after the extreme lay and pray. Truly the most boring fights you can watch two guys laying there with one grabbing a leg and manipulating it..... how stupid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shards Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think this is one of the worst ways you can win. Right after the extreme lay and pray. Truly the most boring fights you can watch two guys laying there with one grabbing a leg and manipulating it..... how stupid I know right, what is jiujitsu even? Some fucking pussy just trying to break another guys limb, how does that even find a place in something like mma? *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Palahares i nuts. Technically he does only hold on until the refs step in, ( as he has stated himself that he does) but I think a Martial artist should have more respect for an another fighters career. It's not like it's hard to understand when it's over... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Definitely didn't hold it too long this time in my opinion. There was perhaps a momentary pause from where the referee made contact with him but it was only a split second and nothing we don't see in practically every other submission victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 easy way to stop this boys don't let him have your legs either one don't matter don't let him have one the guys is a beast on the ground but he really does need to not only pay attention to the ref but the fighter tapping on him but this vision of him and Fitch maybe a split second too long but not enough to jump on him for it. Hs past ones were much worse but it will be a topic every time he ends fights this way unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 This time he stoped the sub as soon he could, as simple as that. Nothing to argue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Once again he held on for too long ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Looks like he held on for too long ..... again Once again he held on for too long ... Oh fuck off you dozey cunts, what's he meant to do, react faster than the speed of fucking light? Palahares i nuts. Technically he does only hold on until the refs step in, ( as he has stated himself that he does) but I think a Martial artist should have more respect for an another fighters career. It's not like it's hard to understand when it's over... So many guys have fake-tapped in MMA that anything other than holding until the ref steps in is just dumb. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madness Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 This is not one of those times, but he has had more than a few times where the ref jumping on him was not enough to make him let go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handgrenaide Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 I know right, what is jiujitsu even? Some fucking pussy just trying to break another guys limb, how does that even find a place in something like mma? *cough* Look if you find leg locks entertaining by all means get your fix. If i'm the only one who finds this way of fighting completely ridiculous, then so be it. But I think it's good reason why this guy is no longer in the UFC. You seem to think ankle locks are the entire art of jiu jitsu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCRaven Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://youtu.be/IRczMUfcJkA This is a really good break down of what Fitch did wrong Palhares is getting better but he still needs to be more aware of the tap and the ref needs to quicker than in the fitch fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 And this is another breakdown which goes more on the leg lock issue than just the palhares theme. http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/12/27/7454325/technique-talk-reilly-bodycomb-makes-sense-of-rousimar-palhares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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