MasterLeader Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 Think you missed my score mate. Same as last week. Should be 225-139 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 1. Gaethje is a top level wrestler..he even managed to defend some Khabib-takedown attempts BUT his BJJ seemed non-existent like literally nill. May be it's the moment ... I want to think of it like that.2. PRESSURE was the Key... Khabib man that pressure broke Justin within an round ... The best P4P fighter in the world right now. Top #3 or Top #5 all time greatest MMA fighters.3. Barboza and Al Iaquinta get A+ for Khabib survival test Justin had nothing to offer in order to survive on the ground... hell Mcgregor who plays touch-butt grappling with his teammates did far far better+4.So Al Iaquinta on a couple of days notice was able to withstand Khabib's pressure and punched the clock at least for 5 rounds .. That's damn impressive from Al. No that he won a single round, but still .. that's impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 Considering how dominant Khabib was so far, i was shocked to hear how many fighters / analysts had Justin as a possible upset. In the end it was pretty much the same story. Khabib implemented his gameplan and Justin could not defend the takedowns. Relatively easy win for Khabib. Anyway, the bad news is that we basically lost the best fighter in MMA now. Frankly speaking MMA has not looked great recently in terms of great and highly marketable talent. Besides maybe Israel, it is hard to really say that there is that "guy" who really separates themselves among the up and comers. Jones is semi retired (or retired, god knows), Cejudo retired, Conor is semi-retired (although he has a fight next). There is rumors that Miocic is on the verge of retirement as well. Not sure Khabib is the GOAT, it is debatable. Top 5 all time for sure and his record is unmatched. But i do not think he beat the level of talent that Jon Jones beat. I would say it is between him and Jones, GSP being a close 3rd. If Jones had his head on properly, there would be zero debate now, just his record outside the cage gives him a minus and all the drug abuse and suspensions are not in his favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Jones is out of the Goat debate because of PED's, it's not like he was caught and still looked great in his following fights, he has been scraping by since the OSP fight with the odd exception which makes me think he was on PED's in his early career and that is why he looked so much better than he has since popping. plus his resume is overhyped in my opinion, he fought famous old guys that moved down a division shortly after... it would be like Khabib beating Bj Penn, Jens Pulver and Frankie Edgar and us saying he has faced better competition than Barbosa, dos Anjos, Poirier etc... plus Khabib did it in the most stacked division in all of UFC. for me the top 3 are Khabib, Mighty Mouse and GSP. Khabib is the most dominant fighter i've seen, Demetrious is the most skilled fighter i have ever seen and GSP has to be there also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Jones is out of the Goat debate because of PED's, it's not like he was caught and still looked great in his following fights, he has been scraping by since the OSP fight with the odd exception which makes me think he was on PED's in his early career and that is why he looked so much better than he has since popping. plus his resume is overhyped in my opinion, he fought famous old guys that moved down a division shortly after... it would be like Khabib beating Bj Penn, Jens Pulver and Frankie Edgar and us saying he has faced better competition than Barbosa, dos Anjos, Poirier etc... plus Khabib did it in the most stacked division in all of UFC. for me the top 3 are Khabib, Mighty Mouse and GSP. Khabib is the most dominant fighter i've seen, Demetrious is the most skilled fighter i have ever seen and GSP has to be there also. Mighty Mouse hahahaha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzasco Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 I would not consider Khabib top 5 p4p. Based on notable wins I would put GSP, Jones, Aldo, Silva, and Fedor above him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 GSP Jones Anderson Khabib - top 4 of all time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 Mighty Mouse hahahaha what's so funny about Mighty Mouse? i thought i gave a good reason as to why he is there (the most skilled fighter i have seen), who is more skilled than Demetrious? don't mention any that have been caught doing PED's, (i used to think Anderson was the best but once you pop the asterix is forever there...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 The man who was scared to fight anyone outside 125 and his only credible opponent was Cejudo who beat him? Yeah I’m not biting - barely top 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 the reason i gave was that he has the best skillset, not that he faced the best competition. you haven't mentioned anyone more skilled than DJ.. besides you have Jones and Anderson on your list and they both did PED's so i think we have different requirements for what we are looking for to call someone the greatest... Jones is scraping past mid-level middleweights since he had to stop juicing... Mighty Mouse used to fight at 135lbs bro, the only guy to beat him at that weight was peak Dominic Cruz, what do you mean he is too scared to fight anyone outside 125? he also beat Cejudo clearly the 1st fight and the 2nd was a close split decision that could have easily gone to DJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 the reason i gave was that he has the best skillset, not that he faced the best competition. you haven't mentioned anyone more skilled than DJ.. besides you have Jones and Anderson on your list and they both did PED's so i think we have different requirements for what we are looking for to call someone the greatest... Jones is scraping past mid-level middleweights since he had to stop juicing... Mighty Mouse used to fight at 135lbs bro, the only guy to beat him at that weight was peak Dominic Cruz, what do you mean he is too scared to fight anyone outside 125? he also beat Cejudo clearly the 1st fight and the 2nd was a close split decision that could have easily gone to DJ. Brad Pickett absolutely demolished Mighty Mouse at 135 Watch the gifs if you need to jog your memory - https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/reliving-the-time-brad-pickett-beat-the-greatest-fighter-currently-walking-the-planet-117295 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 my bad, forgot the Brad Pickett fight as it was so early in his career. he did fight at 135 for half his career though even though he is a small 25'er so i don't think he is scared to compete at bantamweight bro. besides my whole point about DJ is the skillset, still waiting to hear who who has a better skillset than DJ that hasn't popped for PED's... seems harsh to hold that Pickett fight against Mighty Mouse when you are not doing the same with GSP getting KO'ed by Serra... not to mention Anderson's losses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlow73 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 I'll have a new Khabib GOAT T-Shirt in my store next month, I don't have any stock to create it right now. I think UFC got the raw end of the Mighty Mouse/Askren "Trade" as the biggest highlight Askren had was getting KOed by Masvidal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Who is the best fighter Mighty Mouse has a winning record against? Benavidez? I rest my case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 The man who was scared to fight anyone outside 125 and his only credible opponent was Cejudo who beat him? Yeah Im not biting - barely top 10 "Cejudo who beat him" That is highly debatable, split decision and White couldn't wait to get rid of him because he was "too good" and made the rest of the division look that bad. DJ is the Same dude who made Cejudo look like an amateur and TKO'd him. DJ & GSP are the GOATs of the UFC imo Matt Hughes was on a pretty good run at one point. Jon Jones* & Anderson Silva* (PEDs, beating the old guard... JJ fought Thiago & Reyes of the young guard) Khabib's career is like tiramisu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 Who is the best fighter Mighty Mouse has a winning record against? Benavidez? I rest my case you should be a politician bro, you have responded 3 times but still haven't answered who has a better skillset than DJ. take your time, maybe you will be able to think of someone soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 you should be a politician bro, you have responded 3 times but still haven't answered who has a better skillset than DJ. take your time, maybe you will be able to think of someone soon... Its hard to say because no one really tested him at 125 which ties in with my previous point re mostly fighting bums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted October 28, 2020 Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 I wanna know who the "bums" were that he was fighting? DJ fought beast at 125. bunch of top shelf dudes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damndaniel Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Khabib has a beautiful unblemished record and retired on top, undefeated lightweight champ. But I can't put him any higher than 4th on my GOAT list. List goes as such. 5 GSP 4 Khabib 3 Artem Lobov 2. Chael Sonnen 1. The GOAT Harold Howard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJsTv3ypGxI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Conor achieved more, or just as much, in 2-3 years than Khabib did in a career. And Khabib is far from "GOAT" mixed martial artist imo. He's a specialist, a damn good wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 I wanna know who the "bums" were that he was fighting? DJ fought beast at 125. bunch of top shelf dudes. Borg, Reis, McCall, Cariaso, Elliott, Dodson, Horiguchi, Bagautinov I accept that a lot of these guys were the best 125lbers but skills wise a lot of them are pretty average. Most top 135lbers wouldve killed MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 It is funny how some people call Khabib a specialist. It does not really matter if he is a "specialist". If you have a guy who has "just a powerful right hand" that always finishes his fights with a right hand KO hook, does that put him outside of the GOAT debate? I do not think so. End of the day it comes down to the results and if you are winning your fights, it does not matter at all. Khabib had a near perfect MMA career, but to consider him the GOAT of MMA is tough because he had very few title defenses and he did not really beat that many top level guys. GSP, Jones, Fedor all achieved more in that sense. For me, DJ cannot be considered the MMA GOAT for the pure reason that he dominated the weakest division (the division that the UFC almost retired), he is probably top 5-6 though. Silva cannot be considered the GOAT because his early and late career were very average/poor, his peak was very impressive, but even during his peak he had a few really poor performances. Fedor is my personal favorite, but he never fought in the UFC and dominated the early MMA scene. For me, GSP is probably the GOAT, because he avenged all his losses and is a 2 division champ, GSP was kind of boring at times and his last win at WW was controversial to say the least. Jones had the more impressive run, but the abuse and dominating just one division (which lacked talent during his prime), also plays a role. If Jones wins the HW belt, it could push him into the #1 spot, i heard he is planning a move up. So it came down to my personal GOAT top 5 list: #1 GSP #2 Jones #3 Fedor #4 Khabib #5 DJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 the disrespect of the lighter weight classes. so much more talent, athleticism, and technique down there. the "weakest" division might be one of the most competitive. DJ dominated and almost killed a division because he was too good. Makes casuals believe the narrative that there's no talent down there lol. Khabib 100% is a specialist. Pressure grappling. He never fought the gauntlet of competition that some of the other champs faced either. He's a beast. No issues throwing his name in the GOAT debate, but he's not the GOAT mixed martial artist (GSP, Jones, DJ, imo). Cejudo looked pretty damn good before he hung it up too and he had a lot going on outside the cage (compared to early in career). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 and no love for Aldo cuz he got slumped by McGregor and usada lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterLeader Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 It is funny how some people call Khabib a specialist. It does not really matter if he is a "specialist". If you have a guy who has "just a powerful right hand" that always finishes his fights with a right hand KO hook, does that put him outside of the GOAT debate? I do not think so. End of the day it comes down to the results and if you are winning your fights, it does not matter at all. Khabib had a near perfect MMA career, but to consider him the GOAT of MMA is tough because he had very few title defenses and he did not really beat that many top level guys. GSP, Jones, Fedor all achieved more in that sense. For me, DJ cannot be considered the MMA GOAT for the pure reason that he dominated the weakest division (the division that the UFC almost retired), he is probably top 5-6 though. Silva cannot be considered the GOAT because his early and late career were very average/poor, his peak was very impressive, but even during his peak he had a few really poor performances. Fedor is my personal favorite, but he never fought in the UFC and dominated the early MMA scene. For me, GSP is probably the GOAT, because he avenged all his losses and is a 2 division champ, GSP was kind of boring at times and his last win at WW was controversial to say the least. Jones had the more impressive run, but the abuse and dominating just one division (which lacked talent during his prime), also plays a role. If Jones wins the HW belt, it could push him into the #1 spot, i heard he is planning a move up. So it came down to my personal GOAT top 5 list: #1 GSP #2 Jones #3 Fedor #4 Khabib #5 DJ I more or less agree with this. DJ is definitely top 10 but probably 6/7 for me. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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