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So to sum it up so far: - Wolf and Aaron(now known as Adam) were roiding their fighters by changing their skills via script on the game server; - by doing that, somehow they gained knowledge how to run an org, clothing and nutrition company successfully, because pumping your fighters' skills and winning fights is the same as running an org; - then Wolf(so far unknown) and Aaron(now known as Adam) returned to the game under new names and made successful companies for just 7 months. And there are plenty of facts that prove it: Evidence #1 - "nerdy people tend to be very agressive behind the keybord" Evidence #2 - "Taboos are a bad thing you know" Evidence #3 - "i belive they currently running an Empire build in 7 months with knowladge aquired from taking advantage of a powerfull position of trust......" Evidence #4 - "never mentioned you, but if the hat fits !" Evidence #5 - "dont need to get paranoid ....oh shit we being uncovered here" Evidence #6 - "when nothing else works, just swear at them and try to get a reaction lol....signs of a grumpy stressed out person" Evidence #7 - "GOD writes straight on curved lines!" Evidence #8 - "if we dig this hole we will find water" Evidence #9 - "where is smoke is fire" Evidence #10 - "its comun sense" Dunno why you guys breaking your balls trying to explain to a retard that throwing random shit in the air ain't facts. And for the record, it wasn't mamado who busted Wolf and Aaron. His IQ is just enough to box with a tree every afternoon.

I'm actually not sure if it matters that I post here, you seem to have made up your mind Jarmas. Just a couple day's ago you were mailing me in-game in congratulations of our success and I want you to know I appreciated it greatly, I take no offense to the thread been posted, while I don't want to be associated in any way with the horrible things Wolf and Arron did, it is somewhat flattering that you take my success to mean I must somehow be cheating, in both business and personal fighter management. I suppose it's important for me to go on record however to clarify my position, I'm not and never have been Wolf or Arraon for anyone who felt that was the case, my success is entirely down to surrounding myself with good people, Shiv, GBK, Duphus, Spazzie, ovo, TJ, Tom, Rei, Dinooo, Dale Mac, Louie and the generosity of some of the games best managers inc Stu Mack, Balls, GWad, Anti Kristus, Bear Stevenson, Klatz Mats, Chris Karter, Whymer, Bwang, Arcalimon, Pawel and Northern Ninjas who have all contributed to the ongoing success of Aspire MMA with advice, low contracts and continued support. I'm actually a huge fan of Kryptonite, Kalle Derlude is one of my favourite people in the game, It's another alliance filled with mostly 2017 created accounts and my good friend Jackie Steve who spent the majority of this year with me, almost from the very start of my career in the game and saw first hand the creation, struggles and ultimate success of the Aspire brand first hand, if you are looking for a "spy" as you put it, just go speak to him directly and I'm sure he can put your fears to rest, he knows me. Thanks again for the moment of weird flattery I suppose, as I said, I'm down for the bants and I hope we can continue to be buddy's Jarmas. Take care.

http://i.imgur.com/ptZyREA.png lmao

Don't worry guys, I've found the screenshot Unibrow (? sorry ive already forgotten his name) was talking about. Sorry Tom but i have to do it http://i65.tinypic.com/2q3au1d.png

thought this thread was going places....

I hope you know I ran a group of companies with the same name that included something like 8 orgs, 8 gyms, a nutrition company and some other stuff. And we were #1. This was before you were even around mate. Hell, enough people still around were a part of it or know of it.

Drama is not bad.....this is a game in the end lol....whats wrong with a bit of fun in the forum.....not offending anyone....

I was here thinking(bare in mind my IQ level is not that high).....its hard for me to believe that Adam & Wolf stop playing the game after being kicked out lol......they were kick out around november, i mean i guess within 1 month they re-start a new account 4SURE lol....so ,being such experienced and talented managers,if they did start a new account around that time ,they should be the best manager around with a 8 month old account.....1+1=2.....Adam Holland is certainly 1 of them in my opinion lol.....comon guys, its hard for any experienced manager to belive that a new manager could build such an empire in 7 months, dont matter whatever mentorship they might have been, its not possible!!!...unless off course you know the ropes very very well....hey i have nothing against it as long as they dont cheat PS:i NEVER HAD OR HAVE AN ISSUE WITH NONE OF THE ABOVE ,just think its funny and im curious lol Whos wolf and Adam new accounts? i will personalty pay 50k to the person that guess this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vTDgSxl67R0/Ubpp5OV5efI/AAAAAAAAFd8/XGOHDRRnfmY/s1600/Whare-s-Waldo-wheres-waldo-13776539-1024-768.jpg

Found it!!!! What other proof do you need? Plus this does not look fake as hell because it took me 5 minutes to do it. I mean I found it.......

Aaron a talented manager lmao

Give mamado a stage and he steps on it, head held high and makes himself look like a clown every time

I have found Jarmas' Wolf and Aaron suspect list... Don't ask how I found it

All because mamadouche and his failed attempt to make the unit relevant he's lashing out at others who have made it, prime example of jealousy. Ignore him he will go away eventually, I am a little disappointed he hasn't drawn anyone a lovely picture yet though

Spend the next however long you like looking for something that isn't there. Just make sure you come back and apologise when you come up empty ok.

"....why would they come out and say so? With the amount of hate that people in these forums can show, they would be smart to stay away." Once cheaters always cheaters, they hold no more right to be successful in the game then ,lets say humors for exemple....so if i can find out who they are i will expose them for sure....and i think a lot of people will do the same....i mean they fuck up a lot of good fighter and managers records ....i remember Wolf use to seat number 1 manager for weeks in a row without even training hes fighters......its only fair if the rest of they days in this comunity will be in shame.....im sure some members already know who they are .....isnt that right GBK?

Lol sometimes people's stupidity astounds me.

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They should put us on podcast. Maybe some one would listen to it then.

I am pretty sure he has been told to not talk about Wolf because if he gets mad or anything and admit that Tom is Wolf trust me a lot of people would leave the game.

Haha this is hilarious. How about that island org that seems to have developed in super fast time? I think it's island fc. Bet that's wolf and aaron coming back! It has to be!

Brotherhood ....? Remember that bit about forums and browser games? You make it sound as if I deserted the fucking army. And if posting a bit of Iron Sky in this thread is somehow a brutal attack on your integrity, then I guess that is something that we both just have to live with. Give me fucking break! You will PM guys that you have "a problem" with? Just like you never PMed me about how "shit" my previews are? But hey, that's just "extra". Whatever the bloody fuck that means. Fuck that! Signing out of this trainwreck of a thread. You have a point though about that compatibility thing. I definitely learned that lesson. Holy shit .....

i told everyone in the alince they free to do whatever ........everyone is their own boss in here, if we can help each other fine ,this is not a team sport but i mean we have an aliance chat to try to improve and help each other....how come you never mention it to us?.......that goes without saying if you have any sense of brotherhood.......im far from a dictator but i will never question an aliance member in a thread i will pm him if i have an issue with what hes saying....

Just putting my 2 cents worth here: Pit bull development was successful by every definition of the word and my account isn't even a year old. Does that mean I'm a cheat? And if it does then since you Jarmas were associated with it wouldn't that make you a coconspiritor

gif kills me

Spend the next 4 hours writing a 10000 character text to explain yourself......

C'mon mate if you're gonna play detective at least look the part http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QmdRQekFV_0/SzoV35SEOqI/AAAAAAAAARE/qwsW2ohYlGo/s320/magnifying-glass.jpg

Why don't you ask Adam who he is? You seem quite fascinated by him. How about you bring forward some facts to back up your baseless accusations.

You talked about building and empire (which I am a part of) and mentioned Adam by name. "1+1=2" as you say in the OP. Also you seem to be calling them "Wolf and Adam" a lot when everyone knows it was Wolf and Aaron. Is this where your misinformation comes from?

i canot realy put myself in their position of shame , because im not a cheater ,but i think i would probably keep playiing the game and would do the same as they doing....but i would not leave in peace for sure....and i dont think they deserve that right

you been reading the thread since my first post......you probably know whats going on better then most....why dont you tell us whats going on sir?

weird little fucks lol....the worst thing is that, i think they realy did enjoy every win ,and took pride of it.....maybe they use to lie to themselves and truly believe they were Elite manager level.....because thats why we compete right?...to be the best....now , why the fuck would you compete in something if you guarantee 100% you will win?.....internet is a sick place bro .....lol

They should not be able to run tycoon Empires period...its not up to Mike ,its up to the comunity....Mike is the owner as long as someone pays they will play.....they can comeback without Mike even knowing about it...but its up to us as a comunity to chase them down and make sure they canot have anymore success in this comunity regarding business and shit.....i belive they currently running an Empire build in 7 months with knowladge aquired from taking advantage of a powerfull position of trust......

You know ,I know Everybody knows that their back....come on they use to live inside this game AND they were hackers, does anyone really believes they didn't find a way back....i think they genius but never the less big time cheaters......but lets not talk about who they were, lets guess who they are :)lol

Taboos are a bad thing you know.....funny how you mention cousins straight away ummmmm...got me thinking again lol

nerdy people tend to be very agressive behind the keybord...why you swearing dude?

No more drama for a while please, not when there's finally a shimmer of hope for this site ...

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OK, so this sucks but here goes. To cut a long story short, I'm having to delete Wolf and Aaron for cheating. The long story: Back in October 2015 when I started converting the site to a mobile site, Aaron helped me out and converted maybe 30 odd pages of the 200ish pages. I gave him a folder in FTP so he could check the pages were working properly. He was someone I'd talked to plenty of times, had him on Skype, he lives in the same city as me and actually works less than a mile away from my house, so I trusted him with that access. There was nothing important in that folder so I didn't really give it much of a second thought and actually forgot all about it. Since then, I'd talked to Aaron plenty more, have written an article for his fightplatform site, which he gave me admin access to etc.. However, a couple of weeks ago, some guys from the game came to me and pointed out that Wolf and Aaron had some very weird stuff going on in their gyms. Their fighters didn't appear to be training, yet were high skilled. So I checked it out and it was indeed fishy - they'd edited their fighters somehow to be far better than they should have been (including hiddens) but I didn't know how. As I say, I'd totally forgotten that I'd ever given him FTP at this point (this year's been pretty hectic with my first kid, getting married etc... turns out that stuff makes you pretty forgetful). So anyway, me and my programmer (and also people helping from the game) spent a couple of weeks trying to figure it out, programming in checks etc under the assumption it was SQL injection, access to an admin panel or through the forums maybe (hence the arcade disappearing, if you noticed that). It would have been nice to just ask straight up but we couldn't really risk that in case they did anything dodgy... I mean, we thought they were pretty sound people who were just fucking around and not doing anything malicious but you never know. So after programming a load of checks, we couldn't figure out what they were doing, so I just asked Wolf straight up yesterday and he fessed up straight away. I'm grateful for that, cos he could have been a dick about it and played dumb or given a false lead. Instead he apologised and told me straight away. It wasn't a total waste of time doing all those checks because it's useful to have them in place anyway. To explain what they actually did - basically nothing existing on the site was compromised, Aaron just wrote his own script, uploaded it to that FTP folder and ran it to edit their fighters' skills. Obviously I've deleted that FTP account now. I'm not actually deleting them, I've just changed their passwords for now and done a forced logout. I'll delete them properly once their fights are all done then retire the fighters to the Bahamas. All finances have been removed etc. I'm not editing their hype as that would screw over people they're fighting. Oh and if I've been shit at replying to your emails the last few weeks, this is why; it's been pretty stressful / busy. To pre-empt some questions. 1. Are you a fucking moron? Yup. Never trust anyone apparently. 2. How long's it been going on? I dunno, I haven't asked yet. I've only spoken to Wolf briefly. Aaron is in Thailand so I'll talk to him when he gets back. 3. Are any of the other alliance members in on it? We looked at their fighters and they looked OK. A couple of them aren't training properly but their fighters' skills look fairly representative of the amount of training they'd done. 4. What happens to fights that are already booked? I have set all their hiddens to 1, so if you're fighting one of them you've basically got a free win. If you want me to just cancel a booked fight if you are fighting one of them, let me know and I will do that. I've also cleared all finances. 5. Was the Russian hack anything to do with it? It wasn't them but maybe indirectly. I asked someone from the game to download a tool to try and find SQL injection possibilities. That tool might have been dodgy and sent that hack attempt our way if it sent a list of sites using the tool back to the programmers. If it was totally unrelated then it's a massive coincidence because we were using the tool that day and the day before. 6. Can you undo a result against their fighters for me? If people feel really strongly about it, I can write a script. I am OK with doing that but I would personally prefer to move on from wasting time on this as it's already wiped out 2 weeks. As it's my fault though, obviously I will do what people prefer.

You're getting a bit desperate here dude. Adam is one of the most common male names in britain, let alone the world (the adam you linked is australian btw...) Adam is one of the nicest guys i know, and has never cheated or multi accounted on this game. If you have any evidence other than another account with the same first name then bring it forward, but otherwise stop talking shit about people. I could search through all the people who have a certain name and accuse someone with the same name of controlling all of those accounts. But in reality its all rubbish.

There is no 'secret group' Jarmas. There is a discord chat in which anyone involved is free to invite anyone they like. I actually have the option to invite people myself being in there. http://i66.tinypic.com/f9gxfk.png

by the way #Theunit still stands...i gave those guys a home where they feel good....was a good experience.....

the problem thats your goal from you first post...now you tell me whos the bad guy lol....well they can ban me ....they did it before for swearing only...i dont think talking about thhis will get me ban....bu good luck in your quest...lol...or find a girlfriend that will help you to...stop dating your keybord and find a real person to interact with ..peace looser

GreenGrocer: Absolutely fair. It's a little annoying for me because I'm seeing people who've been working their ass off get called our by an idiot - mostly out of jealousy? If you want to know why Aspire has done well - go to the org thread and read one review. Just one. That's the time and effort Adam puts into just a review. If you wanted to run an org as well, you could, but you have to commit time to it - not half ass reviews by hiring 10 writers and hoping it'll be good. I joined Aspire 2 months back and put in 6 mil of my own money into it. I message almost every fighter I want to sign personally and discuss what they would need. Things like that are what make the org something people like. Anyway, I'm rambling - I just don't like the fact that people make accusations spewing out of jealousy and no factual basis.

They started with god level stats? What am i missing, i didnt read the part, where they now spend their days being mike's greenkeepers. EDIT: I need to learn how to read good, my point still stands though.

Ahh this explains so much..............he is on his "second" account and butt hurt because he never received credit for "discovering" the Aaron and Wolf situation. I was trying to figure out why a guy that had only been in the game since March actually cared to dredge up something from 8 months ago.

What happened to the Jarmas that called Aspire MMA the best org in the game at the moment? Where did he go in such a short space of time? Where has this anger come from?

Ohhhh I see who your "spy" is. Hahahaha ffs...

Jarmas is just an idiot. A Humors wannabe apparently.

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A lot of people hated Castor, many dislike Bjorn but all in all Humors takes the cake. Some runners up are: Mentor and Steel Penn. Personally I don't hate anyone, just people who take the forum discussions too seriously as if they're a fighter in real life... I once actually got a warning point for getting into an argument with this guy from the UK who said he was going to beat me up. True story. He was probably drunk.