PBR Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Really? I'm sorry, but all the signs point to it being a multi account created for sparring gains purposes. you missed my point -- i agree just saying they are sparring part time and working part time so no funding or money has to be given to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 you missed my point -- i agree just saying they are sparring part time and working part time so no funding or money has to be given to them The point swings both ways. You could also question who on earth would open an account, create 4 sparring types, then never fight in what, 6-8 months. Does that seem like a genuine and/or legit player to you? It doesn't to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Let's analyse Igor Faleevs profile to try to ascertain if he is a legit player or not. These are the facts: 1. Account opened 17th August 2009 2. All 4 fighter slots were filled on joining day 3. All 4 fighters were created to be outstanding in only style 4. Their styles cover the whole range, e.g. 1x Sensational Boxer, 1x Sensational MT, 1x Sensational Wrestler, 1x Brown Belt BJJ 5. None have ever bought any supps 6. None have ever bought any clothes 7. None have ever fought 8. There have been no other roster moves 9. They are all set to PT training in a gym conveniently charging $200, therefore making them self-sustaining 10. Sporadic, at best, log-ins to his account Now, to me, that is 100% definitely not an account which was created to be used and enjoyed by Igor, who supposedly created it. So, if this is not a genuine player, it must be a multi, no? If it's a multi, is anyone benefiting from the usage of four top level "trainers"? Well, there are 3 very high level managers also in that gym, so the answer to that is yes. I'm not accusing anyone in particular, but come on now, who can deny this is as dodgy as it comes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I hate Multis, hope they got nerfed soon. As well as the managers who benefited from them in private gyms or fight orgs. Even if they are old dogs, veterans in tycoon. I rather have a person who pad their record fighting noobs and cans from real people than people who benefit in mulit-gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I hate Multis, hope they got nerfed soon. As well as the managers who benefited from them in private gyms or fight orgs. Even if they are old dogs, veterans in tycoon. I rather have a person who pad their record fighting noobs and cans from real people than people who benefit in mulit-gate. Mate, you just took the words right out of my mouth. My mind had turned to AA, who got slaughtered in here, in chat and even in his/her own guestbook for fighting noobs. Was AA breaking any rules? No. But that didn't stop the witchchunt/lynchmob/hate attacks. Multi accounting IS breaking the rules, so, imho, there should be an even greater offensive mounted against those suspecting of doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeikkoK Posted March 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 My mind had turned to AA, who got slaughtered in here, in chat and even in his/her own guestbook for fighting noobs. Was AA breaking any rules? No. But that didn't stop the witchchunt/lynchmob/hate attacks. Multi accounting IS breaking the rules, so, imho, there should be an even greater offensive mounted against those suspecting of doing so. The difference is that everybody sees what AA or whoever does when he fights noobs or something like that, but in this kind of situations we only can suspect something, and it can potentially harm somebody's game without real cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 This also goes to people who are accused of using the QFC to pad their records for their honestly made project fighters for their hidden attributes or vets to get their much needed win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 The difference is that everybody sees what AA or whoever does when he fights noobs or something like that, but in this kind of situations we only can suspect something, and it can potentially harm somebody's game without real cause. True, but I'm not advocating we start throwing the managers into pools to see if they float. Just suggesting that this shouldn't be swept under the carpet with a , "meh, what can be done?" type attitude by those who may know and/or like those suspected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Nice detective work TK. I think if multi accounts are discovered, both original and multi accounts should get destroyed. Mike tried to be lenient and let people keep one account and even move fighters from multi accounts to other accounts, and it obviously hasn't deterred people. Even if you're the 4th best manager in the game, and get caught multi accounting, you should get all accounts and all fighters deleted. It's the only way to fix the multi problem. If you're VIP - tough. You're a cheat, you lose your VIP. I think Vadim needs to be investigated quite promptly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Nice detective work TK. I think if multi accounts are discovered, both original and multi accounts should get destroyed. Mike tried to be lenient and let people keep one account and even move fighters from multi accounts to other accounts, and it obviously hasn't deterred people. Even if you're the 4th best manager in the game, and get caught multi accounting, you should get all accounts and all fighters deleted. It's the only way to fix the multi problem. If you're VIP - tough. You're a cheat, you lose your VIP. I think Vadim needs to be investigated quite promptly. Vadim and the other 2 high level VIP managers in that gym, definitely. Another manager just PM'd me with a point I'd not considered... With only 4 managers in that super high level sparring gym, wouldn't it seem logical to assume that the 3 "active" managers there would suspect or question just who in the heck this other, unknown manager is that's training in their exclusive sparring gym? Man, I checked my lowly cardio gym ofetn to see who was coming and going...and I wasn't even sparring there. How could they have any fighters in there who they didn't know about, especially as membership is so closely guarded by the limited capacity? How could 4 fighters all have "sneaked" in...and stayed for so long without them being allowed? Would have been easy enough to rid the gym of unwanted fighters by raising gym fees, so we must assume the suspected multi account, Igor, was 1) known by the other gym members and, 2) allowed to stay. Why would anyone allow such a non-committed "manager" as "Igor" to stay in their super exclusive sparring gym? To make useage of the 4 sensational level sparring dummies is the only reason I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Definitely the private gym owner is at fault because he cant claim innocence. The others have a lot of explaining to do and they cant justify it by claiming they dont know especially the very low price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I'll be fining gyms found with these sparring dummies from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlayze Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Why would anyone allow such a non-committed "manager" as "Igor" to stay in their super exclusive sparring gym? To make useage of the 4 sensational level sparring dummies is the only reason I can think of. Actually, yes, exactly, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are multis. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but I have seen many gym owners offer players entrance into their "private" gym in exchange for sparring help. In that sort of setup, it would appear EXACTLY as this does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlayze Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I'll be fining gyms found with these sparring dummies from now on. "Fining"? What does that mean exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I'll be fining gyms found with these sparring dummies from now on. With all due respect, that won't hurt them or deter them Mike, they have mountains of cash. What happened to nerfing of accounts who have benefited from blatant multi accounting sparring dummies, not doing that anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Actually, yes, exactly, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are multis. I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but I have seen many gym owners offer players entrance into their "private" gym in exchange for sparring help. In that sort of setup, it would appear EXACTLY as this does. Matty, I don't think Igor Faleev can be considered as a player. I made a 10 point post about how this cannot be claimed above. Multi or not, who knows. Legit player? Obviously not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Managers should make or hire sparring dummies for their gym or for their fighters inside a gym... But others makes sparring managers. A fine seems like a slap at the wrist for them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Managers should make or hire sparring dummies for their gym or for their fighters inside a gym... But others makes sparring managers. A fine seems like a slap at the wrist for them... Exactly. Unless we're talking 6 figure fines, fining managers who have hundreds of thousands of dollars is practically a waste of time, imho. Managers care more about their rankings as managers and their fighters' rankings, than they do their bank balance. Fining a manager is a trade off "they" (those benefiting from sparring dummies from obvious non-players) will happily accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveme8 Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Would that fine apply to any gym with fighters who only spar one discipline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 There has been a lot of cheating going on in this game lately, over several issues. I will be posting about it shortly but nerfing a gym owner's account over this issue would be disproportionate compared to other stuff people have been doing. It seems it's become OK in the minds of a lot people to just use loopholes in the system so if we nerfed anyone that's done any sort of exploit, that would be about 100 of the top managers, including no doubt plenty of people in this thread. Anyway, I'll be posting something about loopholes and general attitude to exploiting them soon and as a community everyone will need to have a change in attitude, as I'll become a lot less tolerant going forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Igor Faleevs account has been proven beyond question (hasn't it?) to be fake/bogus/false/that of a non-player... ...will it be closed down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Thanks Mike for solving the problem out, or at least try to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Igor Faleevs account has been proven beyond question (hasn't it?) to be fake/bogus/false/that of a non-player... ...will it be closed down? No proof other than what anyone can see publically is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Wow joining a lynch mob or witchunt is sure fun... To bad no one got burned, hangged, shot, stoned, nerfed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 No proof other than what anyone can see publically is necessary. You'll have to excuse my ignorance, but I don't know whether that comment is a yes or a no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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