CardiffWanderer Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Robbie Lawler - Strong Boxing, Feeble MT, Superb Wrestling, Purple Belt Proper mid level guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Fujita: Boxing: Feeble(Strike D Elite, conditioning Elite) Muay Thai: Useless Wrestling: Superb BJJ: Whitebelt Strike D - useless- Chin - Elite++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Josh Barnett Boxing - Proficient Muay Thai - Proficient Wrestling - Exceptional BJJ - Black Belt Barnett's wrestling isn't that good. He struggled to take down Mighty Mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananasplits Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Cro-cop has NEVER trained MT. His kicks are pure Karate. I think He actually might be a Brown belt. Fedor... Who said feeble MT??? It's a bit ungainly but very effective. Machida does MT??? Really???? Rickson Gracie = Triple elite everything with a red belt lol, kidding you noob fucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggy Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 ...awkward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Cro-cop has NEVER trained MT. His kicks are pure Karate. I think He actually might be a Brown belt. Fedor... Who said feeble MT??? It's a bit ungainly but very effective. Machida does MT??? Really???? Rickson Gracie = Triple elite everything with a red belt lol, kidding you noob fucks Yeah your funny... not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 to clarify, this is what Roach actually said that Penn is ''one of the best strikers I've ever worked with''. here's my source: http://blog.hdnetfights.com/post/444217166...r-freddie-roach so to my knowledge he never said ''Penn's a better boxer than Silva'' like you guys are suggesting. Out of interest would you guys rate AA's boxing as sensational or low elite? also think Fedor would be rated at a black belt for the purposes of this game's mechanics In multiple interviews with Roach about boxing in MMA he says that Penn is the best boxer in MMA, one of the best punchers he has ever trained and that Anderson Silva just isn't ready to face the past prime Roy Jones. For me that's enough. You have to take note that Roach mainly talks about technique and skill level and that doesn't include reach, punching power, speed and other physical factors. Roach for example also doesn't agree that Manny Pacquiao is the best boxer he ever trained. He mentioned James Toney as the most technical and that together with Mike Tyson he's the most natural fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Wrong! Just watched the interview and he said this "Anderson is one of those guys that give 30-40% when he was sparring here and he went eaven with the young HW's. Then I saw him on TV and thought to my self, that's a whole different guy, now he is bringing his A-game, he was giving a 100%." That meaning, he wasn't showing off the real 100% Anderson Silva when he was training with Roach. Firstly i'm not wrong because i said: "the consensus i got was..." which means that my opinion of what Freddy was saying was..... his actual words were "i had him train with some of my guys, some young heavyweights, and he was about even" On the whole from his whole demeanour when asked about him and what he says, he is suggesting that Silva was unimpressive in the gym and only gives 30-40%. From seeing him in the gym he said that he thought "maybe he's not as good as people think, maybe he should not fight Roy Jones" Yes then he said he looked a different prospect on TV and he was very clever etc. Im not disputing Silva's quality, I just don't think he's a great boxer I mean his record is 1-1....that doesn't quantify being mentioned in the same sentence as any 'great' boxer in 'boxing' terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 In multiple interviews with Roach about boxing in MMA he says that Penn is the best boxer in MMA, one of the best punchers he has ever trained and that Anderson Silva just isn't ready to face the past prime Roy Jones. do u have a source for either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 do u have a source for either? There was an interview with Roach in inside MMA two weeks ago. It was an episode Ray Mercer, James Toney and Moons. I saw another interview a while back, but I'm not going to bother to find the source. Then there are some written interviews online, not so hard to find with google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigoMachado Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Roger Gracie Boxing - Woeful Muay Thai - Mediocre Wrestling - Proficient BJJ - Red Belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 me boxing - useless mt - abysmal wrestling - abysmal bjj - none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCee Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 The almighty Joe Rogan actually said about GSP that he's Elite in all aspects of the game. I bet he's playing tycoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 The almighty Joe Rogan actually said about GSP that he's Elite in all aspects of the game. I bet he's playing tycoon Well if he did than he would've known better. It's impossible to be elite in everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Brock Lesnar: Boxing Woeful, Muy Thai Useless, Wrestling Exeptional, Purple Belt. (Elite Takedowns, Elite Strength) Elite wrestling, Mediocre boxing & Abysmal MT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Me(i am being honest) Respectable-Boxing Competent-MT Mediocre-Wrestling White Belt-BJJ(really is a high blue belt or purple but i havn't tried to get it yet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajperok Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Elite wrestling, Mediocre boxing & Abysmal MT People seem to won't to ignore the fact Lesner won the 2000 NCAA wrestling title after coming in 2nd in 1999. Short of Olympic Gold, I'd call that Elite too.- He probably doesn't have a peer in wrestling in all of MMA. Hughes never finished higher than 5th, and maybe Bobby Lashley is at the same level as a wrestler. A lot of these guys people are calling great wrestlers are BJJ guys or some other martial arts. Fedor for example, is a Judo/Sambo guy.... not really an "elite wrestler".. (that and Fedor needs to quit fighting pushovers- Werdum? are you serious?) What makes Lesner special is he managed to move some of his skill points over to his physicals. Along with his strength being likely in the exceptional-sensational range. His balance and speed are also wonderful-exceptional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajperok Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 You are 100% correct. While he doesn't train in BJJ, Sambo is the closest martial art discipline to MMA. Fedor has displayed enough grappling in his fights to show that he is as good as any ADCC grappler. Just because he doesn't have a belt doesn't mean he couldn't roll with any "Elite" black belt or Olympic Wrestler. Your totally underestimating wrestling by saying that. In a pure wrestling match,,, he couldn't "roll with" Lesner or Lashley. Especially Lashley, who is a better wrestler than Lesner in all probability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigoMachado Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Demian Maia Boxing - Proficient Muay Thai - Abysmal Wrestling - Competent BJJ - Black Belt (Sensational) ----------------------------------- Anderson Silva Boxing - Exceptional Muay Thai - Sensational Wrestling - Proficient BJJ - Purple Belt (Strong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Demian Maia Boxing - Proficient Muay Thai - Abysmal Wrestling - Competent BJJ - Black Belt (Sensational) Maia has elite++ at bjj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Gegard Mousasi Boxing - Superb Muay Thai - Strong Wrestling - Exceptional BJJ- Brown Belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigoMachado Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Maia has elite++ at bjj Elite ++ would be Roger Gracie, who is the standard for perfect BJJ and now is fighting MMA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigoMachado Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Vitor Belfort Boxing - Sensational Muay Thai - Strong Wrestling - Strong BJJ - Brown Belt (Remarkable) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Anderson Silva Boxing-Wonderful Muay Thai-Elite Wrestling-Proficient BJJ-Black Belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Elite ++ would be Roger Gracie, who is the standard for perfect BJJ and now is fighting MMA. Thanks for the info, I didn't already know that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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