dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Btw, this is the first time I decline a fight on his org, and whoever has any of my fighters signed knows I don't usually decline fights, I must accept like 29 in each 30 offers. http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6757/cropper.png So, how about this? Ain't he a nice guy? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 PS.: the fight I declined was: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=25616 vs http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilepublic.php?FID=72417 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveas Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Edit: You changed the fighter links, so ignore that post. It looks like an unfair fight for sure, but the other fighter has an experienced manager with a good reputation. I would accept and leave it up to his own judgement if he chooses to accept or not. He is experienced enough that he doesn't need other managers to protect him and can decline his own fights. If I were him I'd decline, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I see you already beat the guy in your last fight, so it is strange to get a rematch offered so quickly. It was a close fight and all I can assume is the other guy asked for it hoping he could avoid the clinch if you fought again. If that isn't the case it is poor matchmaking. That was actualy my fault, the fight I declined is another one, I corrected my mistake (sorry about that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveas Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 That was actualy my fault, the fight I declined is another one, I corrected my mistake (sorry about that). Lol, I saw and edited the post just before you posted this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Edit: You changed the fighter links, so ignore that post. It looks like an unfair fight for sure, but the other fighter has an experienced manager with a good reputation. I would accept and leave it up to his own judgement if he chooses to accept or not. He is experienced enough that he doesn't need other managers to protect him and can decline his own fights. If I were him I'd decline, though. I know Marus, he is a great guy (actually we are alliance mates) and it wouldn't bother me if he accept it, but his fighter is not even close to be one of the top hyped in the weight class, it's not only unfair with my champ it's also unfair to all other fighters in front of him who would wish to have a shot. I understand your point, but I don't consider that we have to choose fights looking at managers. And look how rude he was, if he was at least polite and tried to explain me why should I accept it, I'd problably take it in consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_Pidasol Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The way i see it your the champ accept whatever fight is offered.. If he can't find your fighter decent competition then finish your contract and go to another org. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The way i see it your the champ accept whatever fight is offered.. If he can't find your fighter decent competition then finish your contract and go to another org. I try to accept every single fight offer I receive, even if I think it's a unfair one due to ID/skills (If I really don't agree with it, I send a message but accept it anyway). Now, someone who talks that way, and later threaten me about leaving my fighter in the org until december is a good guy? He already stripped my champ and offered a fight against a fighter who is even less hyped. I accepted it so I can leave this org asap. http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6422/cropper2.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxwig Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Release Hard Puncher! ...wait, am i late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The way i see it your the champ accept whatever fight is offered.. If he can't find your fighter decent competition then finish your contract and go to another org. I have never owned an org so I have no agenda. Stu is right. If you are the champ, you accept every challenger, bar none. If you don't defend your title against anyone in your weight class, you don't deserve to be the champion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I have never owned an org so I have no agenda. Stu is right. If you are the champ, you accept every challenger, bar none. If you don't defend your title against anyone in your weight class, you don't deserve to be the champion. I understand your point, however I don't agree with it. I'm not saying champions have to fight only the top contenders, sometimes it is not possible, but if he got there he deserved it, the minimum I expect is a bit of respect with him to send decent offers. It's like saying Aldo had to fight Vina if Dana said so, who is a guy eliminated from the TUF here in Brazil. He might fight, but I think it's a disrespect with the champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindsided Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I understand your point, however I don't agree with it. I'm not saying champions have to fight only the top contenders, sometimes it is not possible, but if he got there he deserved it, the minimum I expect is a bit of respect with him to send decent offers. It's like saying Aldo had to fight Vina if Dana said so, who is a guy eliminated from the TUF here in Brazil. He might fight, but I think it's a disrespect with the champion. Fight the guy, don't be scared to lose your belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Fight the guy, don't be scared to lose your belt. He stripped my fighter already, and it appears he will make my fighter be hold to the org until december. I wasn't afraid, I just thought it was unfair and got pissed by his message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Decent arguments on both sides. On one side the challenger doesn't exactly look worth of a title shot having lost his last fight and his primaries being a little behind. On the other side his last fight was a title fight against someone else and champions should defend their title against whoever they are given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_Pidasol Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don't know either of the people concerned here, but I think you're being a bit of a prima donna.. It surely didn't need to come to the forums to be sorted out.. Yep his answer was short and too the point but you don't know maybe he was having a bad day.. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindsided Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 He stripped my fighter already, and it appears he will make my fighter be hold to the org until december. I wasn't afraid, I just thought it was unfair and got pissed by his message If you would of accepted the fight instead of worrying about losing your belt then you wouldn't of been stripped and still had the opportunity to have the title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcm Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 If you would of accepted the fight instead of worrying about losing your belt then you wouldn't of been stripped and still had the opportunity to have the title. I don't mind with the title, honestly I'm not even bothered about losing it. The point wasn't losing the title, I just hoped to have fair fights, right now I just want to get my fighter out of the org. Stu, I don't know what Prima Donna means, but I have a felling about what it problably does. The thing is, I didn't come here to have it sorted out, just to show how a guy was acting for having an org. Acting like he could do whatever he wanted to anyone. I hate to be disrespected, I don't do it to anyone so why would I have to accept it? I had thousands of bad days and it may have affected the way I acted in certain ocasions, but this doesn't seem like a bad day to me. Even if it was, we can't do whatever comes to our mind just because we're on bad days. Honestly, I have no respect with people who has this type of attitude. And now answer me, knowing what I told you, would you join this org with a fighter of yours? Knowing the owner will think you have to do what ever he wants and he will let your fighter waiting until the end of the year if you don't do it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I will just accept and see whether my opponent accept or not, that's what you should as a champion, IMO. Edit: And it turns out I am the replacement, o.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasman Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 He stripped my fighter already, and it appears he will make my fighter be hold to the org until december. I wasn't afraid, I just thought it was unfair and got pissed by his message Thanks for the warning man. I'm staying the fuck away from him and his org. 10k p4p v 1k p4p!!! thats an insult to the champ and unacceptable. Nothing to gain but a LOT to lose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I think both sides, from the evidence presented here, could have approached this in a better way. The fight was not ideal and looking for an alternative is a completely normal thing to do but an internal conversation, even if threats are being thrown, may have been a more productive way to go about this. If a full conversation has taken place and one party has been completely unreasonable then it is easy to criticize and gain agreement for your cause. Saying that, throwing around threats is not a good way to run a business from the world of Tycoon to the real world, especially without justifiable provocation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Fuck their noise. You're the champ. You can accept/decline vs whoever you want to. You have the belt, you make the rules. You don't have to fight a fighter coming off a loss if you're the champ, and if you choose to decline, and said dick head manager responds like that, tell him to go fuck off, fuck his belt, and if his mom gets in the way fuck her too. Sucks you gotta wait til December, but enjoy the vacation, chill, relax, get high and watch time fly. Competent org owners don't offer title fights to fighters coming off a loss. Ignore the idiots, you had every right to decline that fight. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Mr Cropper involved in a sh•t like this again? What a suprise... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Showdown Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The only thing I know about Daniel is he's the nicest person in this game. The only thing I know about Mr, Cropper is he has a history of threatening to hold fighters hostage. There was another thread on here a while ago with the same exact situation with him. It's the only time I've ever heard of Mr. Cropper, and I made a note of his name so I would know not to sign with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_Pidasol Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don't mind with the title, honestly I'm not even bothered about losing it. The point wasn't losing the title, I just hoped to have fair fights, right now I just want to get my fighter out of the org. Stu, I don't know what Prima Donna means, but I have a felling about what it problably does. The thing is, I didn't come here to have it sorted out, just to show how a guy was acting for having an org. Acting like he could do whatever he wanted to anyone. I hate to be disrespected, I don't do it to anyone so why would I have to accept it? I had thousands of bad days and it may have affected the way I acted in certain ocasions, but this doesn't seem like a bad day to me. Even if it was, we can't do whatever comes to our mind just because we're on bad days. Honestly, I have no respect with people who has this type of attitude. And now answer me, knowing what I told you, would you join this org with a fighter of yours? Knowing the owner will think you have to do what ever he wants and he will let your fighter waiting until the end of the year if you don't do it? Would I sign withhim now?? Probably not but also at the same time if I had a fighter in an org that was the champ I would have taken the fight and been done with it.. These things generally even themselves out over time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Mr Cropper is on my list of managers I don't want to have nothing to do with. I actually almost signed one of his fighters to my org not long ago but luckily his demands were... ambitious, so I woke up to reality and left him be lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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