ITFL - International Team Fighting League

[AlexiZaitev]

You never root for me anyways JLP......though having Kafka get fed to superior fighters week in and week out in this does not help matters.

[Umberts]

Fuck you all!

[rjs2442]

Syndicate picks Gravas vs Dudek

[PBR]

Karl Denke vs Maximus Scott

 

if blunts allday is up for it -- since individuals dont fight for little while

[verbalkint]

Syndicate picks Gravas vs Dudek

 

Team KAISER will make the official pick tomorrow evening, i first want to have a feedback from everyone involved. What i can tell already that the second pick will definitly be Jecht vs Kafka. From that point on, everything is pretty even anyways.

Personally i'd love to see the two great ITFL grapplers against each other, Sato is a stud and Kelly is on a tear with her ground fu atm, but that's just personal preference. We'll see.

[rjs2442]

I will feed this forward to the team and get back.to u

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ITFL Review – Week 10 Part 1

 

International Team Fighting League concluded its regular season Sunday July 21, 2013 live from the Camden Conference Center. This event was sure to be an exciting week as both the team and individual competitions were both wide open. Team Syndicate and Team Kaiser are separated by only a half point for the group lead. Team Aces and Team TFP come into the week trailing Team Misfits by 2 points for the last spot in the team playoffs, and the individual tournament has 5 guys who could grab the last spot in the playoffs if the cards fall their way. Let’s take a look out how the action went down.

 

Sir Jecht (13-10) vs. Jax Teller (14-8)

 

The first fight on the card is between Team Syndicate and Team Misfits as elite wrestler Sir Jecht takes on kick-boxing specialist Jax Teller. The first round got underway and Jecht immediately got the fight to the ground at the opening bell. Teller did a nice job controlling his opponent and getting the fight stood up. Both fighters were pushing forward trying to dictate the pace and Jecht continued to try to get this fight to the ground and he succeeded landing another takedown into guard half-way through the round. Teller again did a nice job controlling his opponent and got the fight stood back up. The two fighters traded shots back and forth on the feet until Jax Teller unleashed the mother of all head kicks and ended the fight.

 

Teller def. Jecht by 1^st round KO

 

I.P. Daily (11-11) vs. Jarod Batchelor (12-7-1)

 

The Replacements team isn’t eligible for the team playoff but several of their fighters are in contention to make the individual tournament, and once of those fighters is Jarod Batchelor as he takes on I.P. Daily who will be looking for the upset in hopes to get his team into the team playoff. The first round got underway and both fighters came out aggressive in an attempt to dictate the pace of this fight. Daily was doing a real nice job early in the round using his reach to his advantage and landing a lot of single shots to the head of his opponent. The two fighters were really going back and forth but half-way through the round Daily landed a big head kick that sent Batchelor tumbling to the canvas and while Jarod was still on wobbly legs, I.P. Daily dropped him with a big left hand and after a few follow up strikes the referee was forced to jump in and save his opponent. Daily gets the Aces off to a good start with the upset victory.

 

Daily def. Batchelor by 1^st round TKO

 

Pete Damato (22-20) vs. Boy Bubby (17-5-1)

 

Team Reaper has already secured the first place seed in the team tournament so their fighters will be fighting for seed in the individual tournament this week. Team HB is fighting for respect and they send their legend into the cage first to take on Reaper’s mouth-piece Boy Bubby. Damato came out a little wild in the early part of the round and ate a few counter strikes from Bubby who was finding a lot of success with strikes early in the fight. Damato landed a nice right hand through his opponent’s guard between the two and three minute mark that really had Bubby on queer-street for a moment. Pete tried to follow up that shot with a poor cross that missed and finished the round on his back because of it. Boy Bubby came out and took the fight into the clinch in the 2^nd round before getting a body lock takedown into guard. Bubby worked a good offensive ground game and again finished the round on top. Entering the last round it was clear that Damato was behind on the score-cards and would need a finish to win the fight. That wouldn’t come to be as Bubby out-stuck his opponent for most of the round before again getting this fight to the ground and he finished the fight on top and secured the win for his team.

 

Bubby def. Damato by 30-27 Unanimous Decision

 

Greco Roman (13-14) vs. Thomas Billington (30-14-2)

 

Up next is another fight between Team Reaper and Team Hells Balls as elite wrestling black belt Greco Roman takes on another elite wrestling black belt in Thomas Billington. The first round got under-way and Billington came out finding a lot of success with his strikes. A jab by Billington seemed to really hurt Greco Roman and Thomas followed it up with a nice leg kick and a body shot that really had Roman breathing hard. Billington then followed up with the oldest trick in the book by looking low and throwing a devastating high kick that knocked Roman out cold.

 

Billington def. Roman by 1^st round KO

 

Next on the card would’ve been Geralt of Ravia vs. Biff Biffman but Biffman failed to make it to the right location on time giving Geralt the win and the 3 points.

 

Michael Rodalgo (24-15) vs. Jeremy Voda (15-9)

 

Michael Rodalgo could secure a playoff spot with a win in this fight but a loss could find him on the outside looking in. Jeremy Voda has already secured a spot in the individual tournament but a win here could get him a better seed and possibly help his team make the playoffs as well. Voda came out really looking to get this fight to the ground with a couple takedown attempts right out of the gate but they were a little too telegraphed and Rodalgo countered with a nice takedown into half-guard. Rodalgo immediately passed Voda’s guard and got the mount position and pounded on his opponent with heavy strikes for over 4 minutes from that position. Jeremy Voda came out spamming takedown attempts again in the 2^nd round and eventually landed one just before 2 minutes passed in the round. Michael Rodalgo showed a really active guard though throwing up plenty of submission attempts and forcing Voda to work, but the round ended with Voda on top. Round 3 got under-way with an immediate takedown into guard by Voda but he never mounted a lot of offense and the referee was forced to stand the fight up around half-way through the round. Voda again landed a takedown but it was Rodalgo who was being active from his back until again the referee was forced to stand the fight up and the two traded shots on the feet until the round came to an end. It was a very close fight as both fighters awaited the judge’s score-cards.

 

Rodalgo def. Voda by Majority decision

 

Viktor Kafka (22-13-1) vs. Karl Denke (30-9-1)

 

Up next is our first match between Team TFP and Team Kaiser as both teams have a lot on the line with Team TFP trying to make it into the playoffs while Kaiser is looking to take over the group lead. Karl Denke could also make the individual tournament with a victory here today while unfortunately Kafka finds himself just on the outside of the playoff picture. The first round got under-way and Kafka came out the aggressor landing a few strikes right out of the gate but a predictable body shot saw him countered with a nice takedown into guard by Denke. Kafka was doing a nice job from bottom and then landed a beautiful sweep into full mount. Denke kept his composure however and scrambled back to half-guard before again giving up the mount to his opponent. Denke eventually got back to a better position and forced the referee to stand up the fight. The two fighters traded strikes for the rest of the round with the most significant moment being a nice jab by Denke that opened up a cut on Kafka. Viktor came out aggressive again in round 2, and Denke again landed a counter takedown but this time into side-control. Kafka eventually got back to full guard and even threw up a triangle attempt from his back but the referee eventually stood the fight back up and the two fighters went back and forth on the feet for the rest of the round. We entered the 3^rd round with Denke up 2 rounds to zip and barring a finish he’d be the victor in this fight. These two warriors traded strikes for the majority of the round with Denke landing a counter takedown into half-guard right before the end of the round and we’d see the judges in this one.

 

Denke def. Kafka by 30-27 Unanimous Decision

 

Aran Schmeck (10-9) vs. Dragon Slayer (13-3)

 

Our co-main event of the evening saw Team HB’s BJJ red-belt Aran Schmeck take on our individual points leader and knockout specialist Dragon Slayer. Schmeck game out in the first round trying to get this fight to the ground which was a smart move if he was planning on avoiding the knockout. Slayer did a nice job keeping this fight standing and landing heavy shots in the process. Dragon Slayer was finding a lot of success in the round with his leg kicks and head punches and half-way through the round a jab from Slayer found it’s mark and rocked Schmeck. Dragon slayer followed up with a jab and then threw a beautiful left hook that sent Schmeck tumbling to the canvas, after a few punishing shots on the ground the referee jumped in and saved Aran.

 

Slayer def. Schmeck by 1^st round TKO

 

Dakota Royer (33-15) vs. Sergiy Sklyar (23-5-1)

 

The main event of our card is a match that’s been agreed upon since very early in the season and it’s exciting that the fight is finally happening as Team Misfits sends Dakota Royer to take on Syndicate’s grappling little man in Sergiy Sklyar. Dakota Royer came out very aggressive in the first round but Sklyar caught him off guard with a nice takedown into half-guard early in the first minute of the round. Sergiy couldn’t seem to land with a lot of his ground and pound from guard and eventually the ref was forced to step in and stand the fight up, but after a missed body shot by Royer, Sklyar countered with another takedown and finished the round on top. Royer did a nice job keeping the fight standing for the beginning half of round 2 stuffing 3 takedown attempts by his opponent but unfortunately he was losing the striking battle so it seemed to be a moot point. After another missed body shot by Royer, his opponent countered with a nice takedown into side-control that seemed to really hurt Royer. Sklyar showed great killer instinct landing a brutal elbow from side-control before advancing to full mount. From there Sergiy unleashed a brutal shot that forced the referee to step in and save Royer.

 

Sklyar def. Royer by 2^nd round TKO

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ITFL Review – Week 10 Part 2

 

After an exciting part 1 of our weekend we came to you live from the Wombley Arena for part 2 of our weekend. Team Reaper brings over a 3-0 lead from our first event and all 3 of their victors secured spots in the individual tournament. Team Kaiser and Team TFP Graphics come into this event tied at 1 fight apiece. The match-up between Team Syndicate and the Misfits team is also tied at 1 fight apiece as is the team match-up between the Replacements team and the Aces of Spades. Let’s take a look at our fight recaps from event 2.

 

Dynamite Nixon (21-16) vs. Juan Sebastian Veron (14-6)

 

Our event kicked off with a battle of two high level grapplers when Dynamite Nixon took on Juan Sebastian Veron in the 3^rd fight between Team Aces of Spades and the Replacements Team. Veron came out the more effective strikers early in round 1 but both fighters tried to mix in a little bit of grappling as Nixon was trying to get this fight into the clinch and Veron was looking to take Dynamite down. At the 2 minute mark of the round Nixon moved in looking to clinch and gave up a counter takedown. He immediately started to look for submissions from his back but was eating shots from guard in the process. Veron eventually passed to half-guard and started to work more ground and pound from the half-guard, a position he’d finish the round in. Nixon came out missing with a hook early in round 2 and got a counter takedown. Veron worked an effective ground game eventually passing to the mount position at the 2 minute mark of the round. Juan Sebastian Veron finished the round on top of his opponent and had a convincing lead going into the 3^rd and final round. Veron got another takedown early in the 3^rd round and Nixon threw up a submission attempt allowing Veron to pass into side-control. Veron got landed devastating strikes from mount rocking his opponent late in the fight and eventually poured on the pressure forcing the referee to step in and save his opponent.

 

Veron def. Nixon by 3^rd round TKO

 

Latka Gravas (25-16-1) vs. Dirk Diggler (24-10)

 

Our next fight is the 3^rd match between Team Syndicate and Team Misfits as two elite kick-boxers squared off in the cage when Latka Gravas took on Dirk Diggler. Both fighters came out very aggressive right from the opening bell looking to dictate the pace of the fight. Diggler was doing a real nice job working behind his jab but it was the kicks of Gravas that seemed to be doing more damage. Latka Gravas attempted to work Diggler over in the clinch on 2 separate occasions but Diggler was having none of it and circled away back to the center of the cage on both occasions. Our 2^nd round looked very similar at distance but this time Gravas was able to tackle Diggler to the cage and keep him there a little bit as he tried to work his dirty boxing but was pretty in-effective from the position. Latka Gravas took a 2 round lead into the final round and Diggler’s only chance was to finish the fight. Latka Gravas was the more effective striker though landing a nice uppercut in the first minute of the round that opened up a cut on Diggler. Gravas tacked Diggler against the cage a little over half-way through the round and kept him there until the final bell.

 

Gravas def. Diggler by 30-27 Unanimous Decision

 

Bam Boon 1 (12-15) vs. Frank Esposito (38-13)

 

Bam Boon looks for his first victory of the tournament as he takes on 1 of the early season favorites Frank Esposito as Reaper looks to win their 4^th straight fight against Team HB. Boon came out landing a few nice shots early in the round but Esposito quickly closed the distance and pushed his opponent against the cage in the clinch position. From there Esposito really started to open up with devastating strikes landing punches and knees to the head and body of his opponent. At the 3 minute mark of the round Esposito landed a quick right hook in the clinch that sent Boon crashing to the mat, and after a few follow up shots the referee jumped in and saved him.

 

Esposito def. Boon 1 by 1^st round TKO

 

Andre Toulon (15-16) vs. Luka Beck (22-5-1)

 

Our next fight was the 3^rd between Team Kaiser and Team TFP Graphics and Luka Beck would be looking to secure a spot in the individual tournament with a victory here today as he takes on Andre Toulon. Beck came out really aggressive from the opening bell and it was clear he knew he needed a victory in this fight as he tried to soften his opponent up with leg kicks in an effort to get this fight to the ground. Beck opened up a cut on his opponent with a nice cross, and did manage to get the fight to the ground with a nice trip takedown into half-guard but didn’t leave himself much time to work. Toulon seemed to have more success striking in the 2^nd round so Luka took the fight to the ground in the early part of the round. Toulon did a nice job controlling his opponent and forced the ref to step in and stand the two fighters back up. Beck immediately got the fight back to the ground and finished the round on top in side-control. We entered the 3^rd and Beck looked like he’d cruise to a decision victory barring a finish from his opponent. Both fighters came out landing in round 3 but after a missed leg kick by Beck, his opponent countered by taking him into the clinch. Luka Beck managed to circle back to the center of the cage but Toulon again tackled Beck against the cage and the two fighters battle it out there until the end of the round.

 

Beck def. Toulon by 29-28 Unanimous Decision

 

Karl Thomas (21-13) vs. Dan Leighty (20-7-1)

 

The first fight on our main-card is a match between Team Misfits and Syndicate Nutrition as Karl Thomas will be fighting for respect when he takes on Dan Leighty who will be looking to secure a better seed in our individual tournament. Karl Thomas came out very aggressive early in round 1 but his sloppiness saw him eat several counter strikes in the opening minutes of the fight. The two fighters traded shots at a distance for the entire 1^st round and it looked like Thomas was landing the heavier blows. The second round looked very similar to the first as Thomas pushed forward looking to land a big shot that would finish the fight, but left himself open to some counters by his opponent in the process. Thomas twice pushed his opponent back against the cage but it was Leighty who was more effective there. We entered the 3^rd and final round of a close fight but it looked like Leighty was behind on the score-cards. Karl Thomas came out clinching early in the 3^rd round but eventually separated back to striking range. With 3 minutes left in the round, you could tell Leighty turned up the pressure because he knew he needed to finish the fight. With less than a minute left, Leighty landed a beautiful hook that rocked his opponent and followed it up with another hook that sent Thomas crashing to the mat. After a few follow up strikes by Leighty the referee was forced to jump in and save Karl Thomas. What a come from behind victory!

 

Leighty def. Thomas by 3^rd round TKO

 

Colin Hendry (26-11-1) vs. Dan Smith (19-11)

 

Next on our main-card is a battle between two fighters on the outside of the playoff picture looking in as Colin Hendry of the Replacements team took on Team Aces fighter Dan Smith. Both fighters came out swinging from the opening bell and an off balance right hand by Smith led to a nice counter strike from Hendry that opened up a cut on Smith. Colin Hendry continued to push forward and get inside on the taller opponent landing a high percentage of his punches and using his leg kicks effectively. Hendry landed another big shot in a dominant first round that opened up his opponent’s cut even more. Hendry stalked after his opponent in the 2^nd round as well as the two fighters stood and traded on the feet for the entire 2^nd round with Hendry being the more effective and more versatile striker in the round. The two fighters entered the 3^rd with Smith needing to make something happen if he had any shot at winning this fight. It wasn’t meant to be as Hendry continued to find success on and opening Smith’s cut even more with a big shot. When the bell sounded signaling the end of the fight there was no doubt in anyone’s mind who won this won.

 

Hendry def. Smith by 30-27 Unanimous Decision

 

Edward Richtofen (9-4) vs. Katsuro Sato (23-11)

 

Up next we have an important fight as both fighters could sneak in the playoffs with a win. Team TFP Graphics sends their young striking phenom into the cage to take on Team Kaiser’s grappling ace in Katsuro Sato. Edward Richtofen came out the aggressor early in round 1, but allowed his opponent to land a takedown in the first 30 seconds of the round. Katsuro Sato wasn’t content to sit in guard and quickly passed into half-guard and then mount before the first minute of the round. Sato landed a couple heavy shots including a big elbow that opened up a cut on Richtofen. Katsuro Sato looked for a few submissions from mount but it was the heavy blows that continued to open up a nasty cut. A few hammer-fists from mount rocked Richtofen and the referee called the doctor in to look at the cut and he quickly called this one off. What an unfortunate way to be eliminated for this young fighter.

 

Sato def. Richtofen by 1^st round TKO (cut)

 

Artie Lange (17-14-1) vs. Tweedle Dee (28-5-1)

 

Our co-main event of the evening saw Tweedle Dee try to finish with an undefeated regular season as he took on Team Misfits fighter Artie Lange. The bell rung for round 1 and the fight was under-way and Dee landed a good leg kick to open the fight, then after a left hand missed from Lange his opponent landed a nice counter takedown into side-control. Dee pounded on his opponent from that position for the majority of the round while mixing in a few submission attempts. Lange did manage a sweep late in the round but he took a beating before he reversed the position. Lange came out really aggressive in round 2 and was eating a lot of counter strikes for his troubles. Dee landed a nice left-right combo that sent Lange to the canvas and quickly followed it up with a big shot that had Lange covering up until the referee jumped in to save him.

 

Dee def. Lange by 2^nd round TKO

 

Helio James (27-14) vs. Dennis Wise (30-9)

 

In our last fight of the regular season Team Reaper looks for the sweep as Dennis Wise takes on Helio James of Team HB. Our first round got under-way and Wise came out the more effective striker early in the fight finding a lot of success while moving forward. James landed a nice takedown into side control in the first half of the round though and did a nice job working his submission attempts from that position until he advanced to mount. Wise quickly landed a reversal and got on top of his opponent but James had an active guard throwing up several submission attempts until the round ended. Wise came out landing most of his strikes again in round 2 but after a missed hook his opponent landed a nice counter-takedown into guard. Wise did a nice job forcing a quick ref stand-up and went back to landing strikes on the feet until he closed the distance and clinched James. The two fighters battled it out in the clinch until the end of round 2. Wise came out the more effective striker in round 3, but he allowed his opponent to land a couple counter takedowns in the round. Helio James just couldn’t do enough with either takedown though and at the end of the 3^rd round it looked like Wise pulled out the decision.

 

Wise def. James by 30-27 Unanimous Decision

[verbalkint]

Alright, tough decision... i pick the mentioned Sato vs Skylar fight, hope you guys are ok with it, knowing we've been in a little conflict of interests here.

[shortfuse122829]

Come on Tweedle, don't run! "The Executioner" gets angry when he has to hunt his prey down

[Guest]

Come on Tweedle, don't run! "The Executioner" gets angry when he has to hunt his prey down

 

What happened to Tweedle?

[Stu_Pidasol]

DILLIGAF airways is flying Vegas to London and home again.

 

So not only do you get to fly in style, you'll get to listen to Bad Boy Bubby tell you how wonderful he is for the whole way there and back.

 

PM for details

[rjs2442]

Now that we have everyone on the edge of their seats, like how I played that out? Our final picks are... Leighty vs Ravia and Dee vs Beck

[verbalkint]

I like, i think it's the best possible order for both teams and for an exciting semi final... the ITFL top grapplers (which was Donnie's personal wish and hell yeah i wanted that one f'n bad, too) plus the #1s and #2s of each team against each other. Fuse's happy, too. Before i made the picks i even asked Louie and his team if they are interested in making that happen, i think i should say this here "in public".

[rjs2442]

we are cool with the pucks, however in MNA you never know how each fight will play out. May the best fighters win in whatever fashion the see fit to win the fight in

[shortfuse122829]

part 2 of the review available

[potter09]

It ll be funny if the Miss fits qaulify again lol.

 

We are 0-1 from the start as Karl Thomas is injured.

[JLP]

ITFL Semi-Finals are about to kick off today in London. Kaiser takes on Syndicate and the top seed Reaper hosts the upstart Misfit squad.

 

Syndicate vs Kaiser

1. Tweedle Dee v Luka Beck Todays headliner is Beck vs Dee. Dee has cruised through ITFL competition and has become the breakout star. Beck has gone an impressive 8-2 and he and his manager actively pursued this tough matchup. Both of these fighters are well rounded and comfortable all over the cage. I think no matter who wins it will be a close fight and go to a decision. I think Beck takes a close decision but it could go either way.

2. Sergiy Sklyar v Katsuro Sato The smallest man in the tourney, Sergiy Sklyar, has performed admirably in league play. Sklyar was 7-2-1 in the ITFL, his opponent Sato went 6-4. This fight seems pretty even as well. Both fighters are well rounded, Sklayr prefer ground and pound while Sato is more of a sub specialist. I think this fight will be decided on the mat. Sklayr will be on top more and will take the decision unless Sato pulls out a miracle sub.

3. Dan Leighty v Geralt Of Ravia Leighty has impressed in ITFL with an 8-2 record, Ravia has gone 6-3 as one of the younger ITFL competitors. Leighty has the edge standing while Ravia is more well rounded and able to have some ground offense. Ravia needs to get a TD early or he will be in trouble standing against the more experienced and capable striker. Ravia is no push over, but I see Leighty taking a decision win here.

4. Sir Jecht v Viktor Kafka Kafka has struggled at times in the ITFL but has had more success than late replacement Jecht. Jecht is the better grappler, but he will struggle to get Kafka to the ground. Kafka is looking to get back on the right track and I think he will do so with an emphatic KO here.

5. Jan Dudek v Latka Gravas Dudek and Gravas have both have had difficulties in the ITFL. Dudek and Gravas are both top strikers with middling power. There is really little to separate the two fighters. Gravas has been in better form lately and Dudek has been pretty emo. Im taking Gravas by decision.

[JLP]

Reaper vs Misfits

1. Karl Thomas v Dennis Wise Thomas comes into this fight against ITFL front runner Dennis Wise with a nagging injury. He would have had a tough time anyway as Wise has proved his mettle throughout the tourney, losing only to the unbeaten Tweedle Dee. A healthy Thomas may have had a chance, but an injured one will be easy pickings for the veteran Wise. Cutty by KO.

2. Dirk Diggler v Dragon Slayer Slayer has really impressed the pundits with his performance in the ITFL. Despite being one of the youngest fighters he accumulated a 9-1 record with 9 KO's. Diggler has struggled since his late entry and has gone 3-4. He has only been finished once in his career so Slayers power may not come into effect. I'm going out on a limb and predicting Diggler by decision in a big upset.

3. Artie Lange v Frank Esposito Everyone's favorite fighter Artie Lange takes to the cage in what is likely his last pro fight. Multiple concussions and too many cupcakes have doomed an otherwise promising career. His manager is also a balding nerd from Canada. Esposito by KO.

4. Jax Teller v Boy Bubby Boy Bubby, managed by the always controversial and outspoken Stu, has impressed as well. Reapers path to the playoffs was assured by the performance of their two young stars. Bubby takes on Teller here who has been rather hit or miss in accumulating a 5-5 record in the ITFL. Bubby will be looking to take this fight to the ground and get his deadly gnp game going. His huge heart has covered up for a lackluster chin many times before. Bubby gets this to the ground and pounds out Teller.

5. Dakota Royer v Thomas Billington Billingtons durability and fantastic grounds skills have allowed the grizzled vet to have quite the successful run in the ITFL. Former Ascension WW champ Royer is getting on in age and spends too much time talking about the glory days and not enough training up his ground game. Billington should weather the early storm and get this one to the ground quickly and get an easy finish.

[JLP]

Kaiser with the mild upset. Congrats!

I hope you are prepared for another beating courtesy of Reaper.

I'll make my first pick in the next day or so.

 

[shortfuse122829]

First sub attempt? Really? GAH! I'll see you 2nd round of individual tournament Mr. Dee, you won't be so lucky then!

[shortfuse122829]

Here's the individual tournament bracket http://www.tycoontools.com/viewtournament.php?id=51fe9276c4dda

[verbalkint]

Woohooo, awesome job you made there, guys!!! What a huge win for us!

[JLP]

Reaper's first pick is Boy Bubby vs Jan Dudek

[verbalkint]

Reaper's first pick is Boy Bubby vs Jan Dudek

 

Guess will take us 2-3 days to answer, hope that's ok.