fbwellman Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Exactly Lewis was 6'5 just kept dogging him with the long jab then opened up the combinations and put him away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 None the less, Tyson Vs Ali, man you can't have a fight that you flip flop more on. On one hand, Ali could dance around on the outside and land the jab. His straight right was so much stronger than it looked and Tyson could maybe get lit up badly from it. On the other side, Tyson had the ridiculous cardio to move his entire upperbody and dodge shots for as many rounds as the fight went on and if Ali spent several rounds missing shots, he'd probably start to change something up a bit. Tyson also has probably the most devastating one punch power in sporting history and we'd seen Ali go down at the hands of another insane puncher, Joe Frazier. If Tyson landed like Frazier did, the fight would have been over, as Tyson is essentially a super version of Smokin Joe. I think this is interesting. Forget Ali vs Tyson for a moment. Think of Tyson vs Frazier. Is Tyson really a "Super-Frazier"? I can understand the assumption that he was better. Objectively speaking, Tyson was much better defensively and almost certainly more dangerous. But you are comparing an early 70s athlete with a mid 80s athlete. I know a decade doesn't seem like much, but that was a special time when all sports got serious in a new way, IMO. More professional and scientific. I mean there were such improvements in training, injury treatment, diet, etc (not to mention the use of dubious or illegal "extras") that, had Frazier been an 80s fighter, he might have qualified as a "Super-Frazier" himself. Then you can make a similar comparison between Ali and Lewis (even more separated by time). I'm no boxing expert (obviously), but I watched everything from late 70s to late 90s and this is how it seems to me. It's like we don't even have to ask "what would happen in an Ali/Tyson fight?" because it virtually happened when Tyson fought Lewis. I don't have the knowledge to back it up, but my instinct is that I CAN imagine Tyson taking apart Foreman or Holmes (as great as they were) but I think Ali would have had much the same outcome as Lewis for Tyson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I think this is interesting. Forget Ali vs Tyson for a moment. Think of Tyson vs Frazier. Is Tyson really a "Super-Frazier"? I can understand the assumption that he was better. Objectively speaking, Tyson was much better defensively and almost certainly more dangerous. But you are comparing an early 70s athlete with a mid 80s athlete. I know a decade doesn't seem like much, but that was a special time when all sports got serious in a new way, IMO. More professional and scientific. I mean there were such improvements in training, injury treatment, diet, etc (not to mention the use of dubious or illegal "extras") that, had Frazier been an 80s fighter, he might have qualified as a "Super-Frazier" himself. Then you can make a similar comparison between Ali and Lewis (even more separated by time). I'm no boxing expert (obviously), but I watched everything from late 70s to late 90s and this is how it seems to me. It's like we don't even have to ask "what would happen in an Ali/Tyson fight?" because it virtually happened when Tyson fought Lewis. I don't have the knowledge to back it up, but my instinct is that I CAN imagine Tyson taking apart Foreman or Holmes (as great as they were) but I think Ali would have had much the same outcome as Lewis for Tyson. "what would happen in an Ali/Tyson fight?" because it virtually happened when Tyson fought Lewis. your kidding right ? Thats not the same fighter i am talking about yes that guy loses to most any top ranked heavyweight on November 22, 1986 Tyson became the youngest heavyweight champion . Mike tyson fought Lennox Lewis in 2002 that fight was no diff than Ali getting owned by larry holmes on October 2, 1980 Ali and tyson where both shells of the fighters they where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Tyson got dogged by Lennox Lewis the best fighter he faced Lennox Lewis is not and never will be half the fighter mike was Mike at his best Ko's Lewis before round 4 lewis chin was to soft for Mike tyson at his best 1985-1989 mike fought lennox in 2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Comon Ali would be destroyed by Tyson before round 3, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minark Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Doesn't prove anything but interesting Mike Tyson interview on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 https://youtu.be/DikhHfqPuYE Muhammed Ali says Mike Tyson would win in a fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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clydebankblitz Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I love that Ali can barely talk back then, and he's still there cracking jokes. Insane to think that he's still alive for so many years after this. Cool to see Tyson back then as well cause that's the Tyson we have today and you never see young Tyson acting anything other than pissed off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 yes tyson was very respectful there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 Lennox Lewis is not and never will be half the fighter mike was Mike at his best Ko's Lewis before round 4 lewis chin was to soft for Mike tyson at his best 1985-1989 mike fought lennox in 2002 Dude your crazy Lennox is 2 years older than Mike everyone needs to stop with these excuses for why he got dogged, Tyson stans can't stand that Lewis outclassed him and put him on his ass in the 8th. Lewis lost 2 fights and drew 1 and he avenged all of those! Common opponents? Lewis really beat Holyfield twice (The draw was bullshit) and Tyson lost to him twice! Lewis ran through Ruddock in the 2nd whilst Tyson decisioned him and put him away in the 7th! Lewis fought better fighters. Respect to Iron Mike but his run of KO's was through a lot of nobodies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 http://www.boxing.com/the_one_hundred_greatest_heavyweights_of_all_time_part_ten_10_1.html Boxing.com top 10 heavyweights of all time 1. Ali 2. Joe Louis 3. Rocky Marciano (From the city right next to where I was born!) 4. Lennox Lewis 5. Joe Frazier 6. George Foreman 7. Larry Holmes 8. Sonny Liston 9. Jack Johnson 10. Mike Tyson Out of all these guys Tyson defeated the 3rd least amount of top 100 HW's of all time after Liston and Foreman (But their records are also better) Lewis defeated the most top 100 out of anyone besides Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 *drops mic* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebankblitz Posted May 30, 2015 Report Share Posted May 30, 2015 I see people are STILL trying to make the worst internet slang in history work; "stans". Also Rocky was good for his time but I reckon 99/100 times he loses to both Klitschkos easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Athletes bigger faster stronger now so yeah tough to compare different generational fighters. I just am one of the very few in the corner of Tyson was a tad overrated. 10th all time HW is not shabby at all and I think 8-10 is fair for him I wouldn't go any higher because of his crummy losses and quality of opponent. He did revolutionize boxing for his time as an KO icon though and he had an amazing run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think prime Ali gets in his head with his cockiness and speed and chips away at him all fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I think prime Ali gets in his head with his cockiness and speed and chips away at him all fight Tyson's a different animal. Tyson in the 80's would of killed Ali. Tyson was too fast and hit way too hard to "rop-a-dope". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 People talk about Tyson's layoff as the reason for his downfall, Ali was suspended for nearly 3 years and was still dominant afterwards Admittedly Tyson worked through fighters in the 80's like no other boxer but Ali has fought much better fighters and was a one of a kind with his speed. He also has 5 inches on him and Tyson struggled with taller quick fighters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Tyson at his prime when he had a beast living inside him, were a total different fighter compared to a Tyson without the beast in him. Its like compare a tiger with a cat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Ali wasn't quicker than Tyson, that's the thing. Ali may have had better reflexes than Tyson, that's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Dude your crazy Lennox is 2 years older than Mike everyone needs to stop with these excuses for why he got dogged, Tyson stans can't stand that Lewis outclassed him and put him on his ass in the 8th. Lewis lost 2 fights and drew 1 and he avenged all of those! Common opponents? Lewis really beat Holyfield twice (The draw was bullshit) and Tyson lost to him twice! Lewis ran through Ruddock in the 2nd whilst Tyson decisioned him and put him away in the 7th! Lewis fought better fighters. Respect to Iron Mike but his run of KO's was through a lot of nobodies Heres what it comes down too Mike tyson at is best could beat any other man to put on gloves at there best when mike fought Lennox his age did not matter mike was not even half the fighter he was in 1986 no version of Lewis beats that tyson Here is a fact for you there was never a fighter like Mike tyson before him and there has not been anyone like him since ! combined power with speed, skill, discipline and technique= MIKE TYSON Mike was by far the most explosive and powerful boxer ever He was like a pitbull ready to destroy anything in his path Tyson under the guidance of Cus D'Amato and Kevin Rooney was unstoppable when Rooney was Tyson's trainer, Tyson had a record of 35 fights, 35 wins 31 wins by KO. only when mike was no longer with rooney did mike lose . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 http://www.boxing.com/the_one_hundred_greatest_heavyweights_of_all_time_part_ten_10_1.html Boxing.com top 10 heavyweights of all time 1. Ali 2. Joe Louis 3. Rocky Marciano (From the city right next to where I was born!) 4. Lennox Lewis 5. Joe Frazier 6. George Foreman 7. Larry Holmes 8. Sonny Liston 9. Jack Johnson 10. Mike Tyson Out of all these guys Tyson defeated the 3rd least amount of top 100 HW's of all time after Liston and Foreman (But their records are also better) Lewis defeated the most top 100 out of anyone besides Ali Not one of these great fighters could have beat Mike Tyson on Monday June 27, 1988 The night he beat Michael Spinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Tyson ran through Spinks in the 1st, Lennox Lewis ran through Ruddock in the 2nd... Ruddock is better than Spinks, just saying think about it Tyson was a machine I'm not doubting that but you guys seriously underestimate. Spinks was a light heavyweight most of his career and the Tyson fight was his last one, Tyson is not doing that to Ali, Lewis, Foreman etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycooner Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Tyson ran through Spinks in the 1st, Lennox Lewis ran through Ruddock in the 2nd... Ruddock is better than Spinks, just saying think about it Tyson was a machine I'm not doubting that but you guys seriously underestimate. Spinks was a light heavyweight most of his career and the Tyson fight was his last one, Tyson is not doing that to Ali, Lewis, Foreman etc. its not about spinks at all Tyson on that night could have beat anyone it does not matter who was in the other corner ! "The Tyson I had would have beat Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis. He would’ve beat all of them. Tyson’s losses are when he’s in never-never land. I think he would have beaten Muhammad Ali in his prime. That would have been a hell of a fight. I believe he would have knocked out Jack Dempsey. I believe he would have knocked out Rocky Marciano." _Kevin Rooney_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbwellman Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Well I guess we'll never know, all I know is Lewis effectively ended his career As a fighter that is such a lame excuse that he had to have "the demon in him" and the fact that people consider all his losses when he didn't "have it in him" are excusable. Such BS man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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