FrancoGambino Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Im not a New England Patriots fan by any means. In fact I kind of hated their organization ever since the whole "spygate" situation, where Bill Belichick got caught cheating. Im a 90s baby so I grew up watching QBs such as Farve, Manning, Brady, Brees, and some others sprinkled in there who were pretty good. But out of all the QBs that I have seen in my generation i find myself asking, and quite possibly starting to believe, that Tom Brady is the best quarterback to ever play football. He may not be the all time leading passer in yards or TDs but there is one thing that he does consistantly and that is win. Im trying to remember the last time this guys team didnt make the playoffs. Also, Toms Brady seems to always have a weaker recieving core. I think he won 2 of his superbowls with Deion Branch as his primary target. Fucking Deion Branch! Not saying he wasnt a capable reciever but he was noone to be feared. Every other qb has that one guy that they always throw to such ass Montana to Rice, Manning to Harrison, Farve to Donald Driver and a few others i missed but you get the point. Brady never really had that caliber of a reciever except for one time with Randy Moss. Look at what he did the year he had Randy Moss on his team. He threw somewhere around 50 touchdowns with only 3 interceptions. They went undefeated that year but lost dramatically in the superbowl. Imagine if Brady had a top teir Reciever his whole career. Anyway, I just wanted to see if anyone else agrees or can argue for another QB. PS: Im a Redskins fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Aaron Rodgers is probably the best QB who has ever played the game. I think NFL fans are going to be wondering how he won only one Superbowl after he retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Aaron Rodgers? How can he even be considered for that yet against guys like Brady, Manning, or Montana. He is good dont get me wrong, but his story is far from over and he doesnt have as any accomplishments as some of the other greats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Aaron Rodgers? How can he even be considered for that yet against guys like Brady, Manning, or Montana. He is good dont get me wrong, but his story is far from over and he doesnt have as any accomplishments as some of the other greats. his numbers at this point blow theirs out of the water if you compare the early parts of their careers. Im going off the eyeball test as well, ive never seen a qb play as well as rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1rstSaint Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I would say he is pretty damn close, Peyton obviously has problems at the end of the year if not for that he would. I think Rodgers could be in due time he us on track I wouldn't be surprised if there facing off in the superbowl. Looks like the ravens won't be pulling that upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spix70r Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 yes he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yes i consider peyton manning to be a better version of dan marino. they were both good but had a choke complex. Anyways im about to watch this Seahawks vs Panthers game. Im going for the Panthers, i would like to see Newton take his game to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce7 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I don't think he is the G.O.A.T. His numbers are great, but again he is playing in a league where running the ball is becoming more and more obsolete. I definitely place him in the top 5, but G.O.A.T. is a bit of a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Rodgers has amazing numbers and has a shit offensive line year in and out. Brady is definitely great though and this game was a perfect example... Ps: FrancoGambino Go Hognation! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Rodgers has amazing numbers and has a shit offensive line year in and out. Brady is definitely great though and this game was a perfect example... Ps: FrancoGambino Go Hognation! Hail yea!!! I love my Redskins so much that i hate myself. I get disappointed every year but hopefully we can start turning things around in DC. They just need to hurry up and figure out what they are are going to do at QB and build from there. Starting with the o-line please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Hail yea!!! I love my Redskins so much that i hate myself. I get disappointed every year but hopefully we can start turning things around in DC. They just need to hurry up and figure out what they are are going to do at QB and build from there. Starting with the o-line please! Doesnt matter who we start if we dont fix that oline problem, cant blame it on rgIII when all 3 quarterbacks have been injured in the same year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Doesnt matter who we start if we dont fix that oline problem, cant blame it on rgIII when all 3 quarterbacks have been injured in the same year Yes but with they need to announce what they are going to do early on before the draft so we can avoid QB controversy next year. We need our QB to know that the team is behind him. I think RGIII has so much potential and he is an oline away from being a top QB in the league. I dont like this new GM we got. They say he had a drinking problem. It seems like we can never get a normal person in DC. There is always a catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Rodgers is too young to call him the GOAT at this point but if he continues he may have an argument. I think the best QB of this generation has to be Peyton Manning. The Patriots dynasty has got to be the best team but I would take Peyton over manning on my team any day. I think the Patriots could have won those superbowls without Brady but the colts wouldn't have even gotten into the playoffs all those years without Manning. No one in the league meant more to his team than that man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Rodgers is too young to call him the GOAT at this point but if he continues he may have an argument. I think the best QB of this generation has to be Peyton Manning. The Patriots dynasty has got to be the best team but I would take Peyton over manning on my team any day. I think the Patriots could have won those superbowls without Brady but the colts wouldn't have even gotten into the playoffs all those years without Manning. No one in the league meant more to his team than that man. I cant agree with that. The Patriots were never known to have big name guys on their team. They never really had a good defense when they were winning their superbowls. I think Manning always had way better weapons on offense such as Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne. He even had Joseph Addai and Edgerin James as running backs. Manning is like a slightly better version of Marino in my opinion. He's very good on paper and a first ballot HOF but he wasnt a winner. I dont see the Patriots being the team they were without Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I cant agree with that. The Patriots were never known to have big name guys on their team. They never really had a good defense when they were winning their superbowls. I think Manning always had way better weapons on offense such as Dallas Clark, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne. He even had Joseph Addai and Edgerin James as running backs. Manning is like a slightly better version of Marino in my opinion. He's very good on paper and a first ballot HOF but he wasnt a winner. I dont see the Patriots being the team they were without Brady. Are you serious? I always remember the Patriots having great defenses back when they won the three super bowls. It was the colts that never had a decent defense until they finally won the superbowl and even then it was only average. The Patriots didnt have any standout wide receivers until Randy Moss that is true but it would be hard to prove that they were not stand due to the fact that they were not as talented as Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison versus if they just didn't perform as well (which would also be affected by how well Brady through the ball to them). As for Dallas clark don't try to tell me that Gronk or even Hernandez wasn't more talented than him. And finally the Patriots (when they were winning super bowls) always had a decent running game which they relied on much more than the colts, the only difference is that they changed RBs often and used a committee whereas the colts almost solely used Edgerin James, of course he is the bigger name but I still wouldn't say he is more important. When he was winning Super bowls, Brady was one of the all time greatest clutch performers but it wasn't until 2008 or thereabouts that he actually put up good numbers any other time of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Are you serious? I always remember the Patriots having great defenses back when they won the three super bowls. It was the colts that never had a decent defense until they finally won the superbowl and even then it was only average. The Patriots didnt have any standout wide receivers until Randy Moss that is true but it would be hard to prove that they were not stand due to the fact that they were not as talented as Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison versus if they just didn't perform as well (which would also be affected by how well Brady through the ball to them). As for Dallas clark don't try to tell me that Gronk or even Hernandez wasn't more talented than him. And finally the Patriots (when they were winning super bowls) always had a decent running game which they relied on much more than the colts, the only difference is that they changed RBs often and used a committee whereas the colts almost solely used Edgerin James, of course he is the bigger name but I still wouldn't say he is more important. When he was winning Super bowls, Brady was one of the all time greatest clutch performers but it wasn't until 2008 or thereabouts that he actually put up good numbers any other time of the year. I cant even name a defensice back from the team when the Patriots were in their prime. Also, Gronk is better than Dallas Clarke but you cant say that Brady had nearly as many weapons as Manning throughout his career. Imagine if Brady had Harrison, Wayne and Clark throughout his career. His numbers would be rediculous. But at the end of the day the only thing that matters is how many rings you have. So, Brady wins regardless. I mean even Eli Manning has more rings than Peyton. If Manning wins the Superbowl this year then maybe we can have this conversation again. But I just cant put Manning over Brady right now. He looks good on paper but he is lacking in the ring department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spix70r Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I cant even name a defensice back from the team when the Patriots were in their prime. are you serious? Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Asante Samuel, Rodney Harrison 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce7 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 are you serious? Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Asante Samuel, Rodney Harrison Harrison and Milloy were considered probably the best safety tandem in the NFL by quite a few people. Ty Law was a top 10 CB for quite a while and Asante Samuel was probably the worst of the four and he was/is a multi-time pro bowler. Plus you add Richard Seymour (pre-Raiders Seymour was actually good), Teddy Bruschi and Willie McGinest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 are you serious? Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Asante Samuel, Rodney Harrison Damn you got me lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Harrison and Milloy were considered probably the best safety tandem in the NFL by quite a few people. Ty Law was a top 10 CB for quite a while and Asante Samuel was probably the worst of the four and he was/is a multi-time pro bowler. Plus you add Richard Seymour (pre-Raiders Seymour was actually good), Teddy Bruschi and Willie McGinest. I just got murdered with facts and knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Harrison and Milloy were considered probably the best safety tandem in the NFL by quite a few people. Ty Law was a top 10 CB for quite a while and Asante Samuel was probably the worst of the four and he was/is a multi-time pro bowler. Plus you add Richard Seymour (pre-Raiders Seymour was actually good), Teddy Bruschi and Willie McGinest. are you serious? Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Asante Samuel, Rodney Harrison But how do you guys feel about Brady being GOAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce7 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Again, I feel his is top five but not G.O.A.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Again, I feel his is top five but not G.O.A.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think if Brady picks up a ring at the end of his career then he clearly goes to number 1. I am a strong believer than winning throughout your career is essential. Right now it is more of a toss up as all his stats are parleyed against it being more of a throwing league than in previous generations. Rodgers is the best QB right now but you simply cannot have him in the debate for the GOAT because he hasn't played long enough. Some players can be all of fame worthy for bring the best in their position for a few years but actually not be that player for their whole career. Dan Marino is a classic case of that. The second half of his career was simply very good rather than truly elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancoGambino Posted January 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think if Brady picks up a ring at the end of his career then he clearly goes to number 1. I am a strong believer than winning throughout your career is essential. Right now it is more of a toss up as all his stats are parleyed against it being more of a throwing league than in previous generations. Rodgers is the best QB right now but you simply cannot have him in the debate for the GOAT because he hasn't played long enough. Some players can be all of fame worthy for bring the best in their position for a few years but actually not be that player for their whole career. Dan Marino is a classic case of that. The second half of his career was simply very good rather than truly elite. Agreed. And yes, Rodgers has everything a QB needs to be great. Big Arm, Can scramble a little bit, Marketability, and he just flatout wins. I think he has the POTENTIAL to be the best but he is still very far from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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