Lockdown Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I really don't follow the game anymore or the engine changes but good lord takedowns seem hard these days Definitely thought I would get him down at least once considering the skill gap - I wasn't even spamming either lol http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=783915 Fair play to the opponent though, shut down basically everything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 In my opinion, grapplers have never been weaker than they are now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catako Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 In my opinion takedown should be hard as it is hard to takedown a master in tk def (let's say he has tk def 14 or even 15) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 In my opinion, grapplers have never been weaker than they are now. Hmmm, during my time I can't even remember a period I would consider grappling dominant. I was pretty vocal about ref stand ups but I don't know how they are anymore, and don't care anymore really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebankblitz Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Well technically he defended 11 takedowns. You could easily see that in an MMA fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poraan Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Its just pure luck... Takedown, position, (instant)escape,sweep, submission etc. You may get something or not. Pulkkinen got 70% takedown rate. Maybe because hes mixing a lot and actually he isnt relying purely on takedowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 In my opinion, grapplers have never been weaker than they are now. I agree with this for sure. I've always been a ground manager and it's harder than ever to have success at a decent level of competition with any ground guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Its just pure luck... Takedown, position, (instant)escape,sweep, submission etc. You may get something or not. Pulkkinen got 70% takedown rate. Maybe because hes mixing a lot and actually he isnt relying purely on takedowns. It's because he's a 4'11 LHW and so his takedown drives all hit the opponent's ankles and trip them up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyGrunge Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Your guy is 41 yrs old, opponet was early 30s. Have your physicals declined a good amount? Cause if so, that's probably part of the reason. I've noticed that when my fighters physicals start to decline it really affects their overall performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Could the predict fighters strategy thing had a bigger affect on grapplers than strikers? (This is more on the comment about grapplers being in their weakest state atm. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Could the predict fighters strategy thing had a bigger affect on grapplers than strikers? (This is more on the comment about grapplers being in their weakest state atm. ) definitely. When predict was first announced, I got a message from Duphus telling me how it would kill grapplers and he was spot on. All a striker needs to do in the first round is %100 predict td's and once they stuff a few they will have an energy advantage. They would still be landing their shots and doing damage and be much more able to absorb the grapplers strikes. By the time the "adjust" tickbox kicked in they have a pretty good energy lead and are on pace to win the fight. Now you add in escapes being overly strong and grapplers are weaker than ever. Ref standups being slowed down helped grapplers, but escapes trumped that fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I'm not sure if escapes are OP at all. Unless people are getting up with mediocre escapes vs elite grapplers, sort of like the 100% counter TD era where you land TD with useless TD off. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown Posted January 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 definitely. When predict was first announced, I got a message from Duphus telling me how it would kill grapplers and he was spot on. All a striker needs to do in the first round is %100 predict td's and once they stuff a few they will have an energy advantage. They would still be landing their shots and doing damage and be much more able to absorb the grapplers strikes. By the time the "adjust" tickbox kicked in they have a pretty good energy lead and are on pace to win the fight. Now you add in escapes being overly strong and grapplers are weaker than ever. Ref standups being slowed down helped grapplers, but escapes trumped that fix. I noticed that extra slider thing at the bottom but haven't used it. I never thought it actually affected the fights, just thought it was for archiving data or something. Wow. Tycoon is getting overly complicated lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I think the insta-escape is a bit OP and was an unnecessary addition the game. It might be somewhat realistic but it completely fucked the balance (if you can call it balance) up. Ref standups should be further nerfed (more aggressively this time) and insta escapes should be nerfed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 My guy Simba Jr had no ground stats higher than superb, his transitions at the time were competent and I was fighting a guy who had submitted my Red Belt Jack Calypso TWICE who had all Elite++ ground stats.. http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=757848 That's the fight, I somehow won.. he basically spammed TD's for the whole fight but he did get Simba Jr down 11 times and wasn't able to do anything against a mediocre grappler in Simba.. That shocked me and kinda started to push me away from building ground fighters or trying to take grapplers to a top level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEpicity Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I have no problems with insta-escapes, they are realistic, especially since you really on see them much at lower weight classes. Ref stand ups still aren't realistic though. Escapes are fine as far as I can see. I have only used them Wonderful-Elite so far and wonderful only at lower ID levels so i wouldn't know if they are too OP at low skill levels. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter09 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I've never ever used escapes thinks it's purely luck. Takedowns are a roll of the dice atm they were made a lot harder since the predicter slider thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
762x39 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I agree ref stand up and escapes both should be cut back some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Instant escapes are very much overpowered and should be toned down. You can get 5 takedowns in a fight and never have a chance to work on the ground which sucks the life out of fighters who use grappling as part of their game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madness Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I have no problems with insta-escapes, they are realistic, especially since you really on see them much at lower weight classes. Ref stand ups still aren't realistic though. Escapes are fine as far as I can see. I have only used them Wonderful-Elite so far and wonderful only at lower ID levels so i wouldn't know if they are too OP at low skill levels. I agree with everything you mentioned here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Instant escapes are very much overpowered and should be toned down. You can get 5 takedowns in a fight and never have a chance to work on the ground which sucks the life out of fighters who use grappling as part of their game. But... is that impossible or uncommon for an MMA fight? I'd really think it depends on skill levels, if you have elite balance, flex, agility, speed, etc.. should be pretty good at bouncing off the ground lol. It's tough for me to make decision without seeing anything that was like, okay, this is ridiculous. Anybody have examples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwad12345 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 But... is that impossible or uncommon for an MMA fight? I'd really think it depends on skill levels, if you have elite balance, flex, agility, speed, etc.. should be pretty good at bouncing off the ground lol. It's tough for me to make decision without seeing anything that was like, okay, this is ridiculous. Anybody have examples? I'm sure these are far from the most egregious examples but very accessible considering he's the current #1. http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=770470 6 takedowns 4 insta escapes http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=770470 4 takedowns 3 insta escapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 takedowns do seem harder since the predict but they have seem harder for some time now even when predict sliders werent around, unless you counter takedown (which is even tougher now) -- which like many state dont have problem with hard takedowns as long as its just as hard or harder to stand up -- i also can see the insta escapes working good if skill is high enough its just still ref stand ups to me some -- i actually got my first sub win in a really long time today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaston Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 definitely. When predict was first announced, I got a message from Duphus telling me how it would kill grapplers and he was spot on. All a striker needs to do in the first round is %100 predict td's and once they stuff a few they will have an energy advantage. They would still be landing their shots and doing damage and be much more able to absorb the grapplers strikes. By the time the "adjust" tickbox kicked in they have a pretty good energy lead and are on pace to win the fight. Now you add in escapes being overly strong and grapplers are weaker than ever. Ref standups being slowed down helped grapplers, but escapes trumped that fix. Hammer meet nail. Bingo! The problem with the ground game isn't the escapes, ref stand ups, randomness of it all, it's the prediction sliders as you have so simply explained. If you're a striker facing a grappler predict takedowns, eat his shots and wait for the energy drain to kick in. You will win 8-9 times out of ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 But... is that impossible or uncommon for an MMA fight? I'd really think it depends on skill levels, if you have elite balance, flex, agility, speed, etc.. should be pretty good at bouncing off the ground lol. It's tough for me to make decision without seeing anything that was like, okay, this is ridiculous. Anybody have examples? talking about elite physicals is kind of pointless considering the opponent would have all the same elite physicals as well. I've got 2 or 3 guys with low exc or high wonderful escapes that pop back up pretty fast. I've had plenty of fights go the other way for me lately too. where my grappler cant hold the opponent down to save their life. Part of the problem may be that we are all so used to slidering to try to avoid the insta-ref standup as well how tired our grapplers are when they actually get it to the ground since predict came in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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