UniConor Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 In clinch: Pull guard vs takedowns? The way I understand it is that pull guard is a bit easier but you land in bottom position on ground, takedown is a bit harder but you end up on top. Do I understand it correctly? Also: control vs finish? When you're offensive ground fighter I get it, but when you're defensive, how does this slider affect transitions, counters and escapes? Control is more, get to dominant position and stay there. Very wrestling, Jon Fitch style. You can still transition when controlling, you just won't look to put in a fight ending submission or hit really hard Jeremy Stephens vs Godofredo Pepey ground and pound. The aggressive counter slider affects this, usually if you're going against like a crazy BJJ kid who is sub spamming, you could counter and transition into mount on his submission attempts (as long as you don't get submitted) and then GNP from there. Escapes the slider or skill? The skill is useless (do not waste points on it) but if you want to escape, from being on the ground. I use transitions and a high stand up rate. Not too high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 In clinch: Pull guard vs takedowns? The way I understand it is that pull guard is a bit easier but you land in bottom position on ground, takedown is a bit harder but you end up on top. Do I understand it correctly? Pull guard relies more on BJJ belt then does TD's from clinch Also: control vs finish? When you're offensive ground fighter I get it, but when you're defensive, how does this slider affect transitions, counters and escapes? A control is only a control where a finish is further divided into sections like : advance/sub/GnP say you are 50% control/finish and 50% on sub-strike/advance and also 50% on ground strikes/subs That means that out of 20 moves on average you will do this: 10 controls 5 advances 2.5 GnP 2.5 subs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hello! Im i bit curios about my training what to focus on. If i have got it right your fighter cant be elit on everything but how good can he get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Could someone point me in the direction of a good Hall of Fame so I can see fighters that have been successful in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Could someone point me in the direction of a good Hall of Fame so I can see fighters that have been successful in the past. You could also try clicking 'rankings' on the right hand side of your profile page and see the current highest ranked fighters/ most successful fighters at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itakebrides Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Hello! Im i bit curios about my training what to focus on. If i have got it right your fighter cant be elit on everything but how good can he get? well if your going by skill cap i think the best you can get to is 2750 duphus i think told be that ages ago but don't quote me but you can peak way before that .I have a fighter for example had all his physicals or elite five elite secondary and 2 sensational .For primaries 3 of then or elite with the other sensational an his skill cap 2640 .So to some up your better off focusing on what type of fighting you what to be and get the relevance skills to at least sensational level before your try to diverse your skill .Hopes this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I doctored this photo to change some skills slightly so you can't tell which fighter of mine it is, but this will give you an idea of a top 20 P4P fighter http://i.imgur.com/Mm4dxoW.png 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 well if your going by skill cap i think the best you can get to is 2750 duphus i think told be that ages ago but don't quote me but you can peak way before that .I have a fighter for example had all his physicals or elite five elite secondary and 2 sensational .For primaries 3 of then or elite with the other sensational an his skill cap 2640 .So to some up your better off focusing on what type of fighting you what to be and get the relevance skills to at least sensational level before your try to diverse your skill .Hopes this helps This is correct as far as I know, I have one fighter at 2750 but that just depends on their skill cap % which can be anywhere from 76 to 80% of the 3450 total skills available. so around 2622 to 2760 is pretty much the range, not including being to slow to ever get capped, injuries, age or other things that will lower his cap % over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I doctored this photo to change some skills slightly so you can't tell which fighter of mine it is, but this will give you an idea of a top 20 P4P fighter http://i.imgur.com/Mm4dxoW.png Looking at those stats, can i assume that the fighter is submissions are not effective in this game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Subs are strong at the beginning of the game, when you're more likely to see a lot of skill separations. I just picked one of my fighters without subs, doesn't mean they don't work just harder at the top level. Basically you need around 4 to 5 useless skills to be elite everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Subs are strong at the beginning of the game, when you're more likely to see a lot of skill separations. I just picked one of my fighters without subs, doesn't mean they don't work just harder at the top level. Basically you need around 4 to 5 useless skills to be elite everywhere else. Does this mean (and this may mean I run into trade secrets here so ignore me if I do) that there is no inherent disadvantage being useless in something compared to being generally inferior in several areas? For instance, if you came across someone with elite elbows and they caught you in the clinch and proceeded to land a handful of elbows your fighter would not suffer more than if he is facing a puncher who is elite/elite against someone who was sensational/sensational.(I think that is the right progression levels). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeTravel0 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Do strikers still dominate this game? Been awhile since I played here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenFlyer Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Do strikers still dominate this game? Been awhile since I played here. Obviously I am no expert but it certainly looks to be the case. The vast majority of guys in the top 10 lists are sensational or elite in the first three disciplines and a brown belt in BJJ, Now that doesn't tell (well doesn't tell me at least) what that level is but it must be lower than the other average stat line as there is black and red above it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwang Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I doctored this photo to change some skills slightly so you can't tell which fighter of mine it is, but this will give you an idea of a top 20 P4P fighter http://i.imgur.com/Mm4dxoW.png good stuff duphus. that's a useful thing to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Does this mean (and this may mean I run into trade secrets here so ignore me if I do) that there is no inherent disadvantage being useless in something compared to being generally inferior in several areas? For instance, if you came across someone with elite elbows and they caught you in the clinch and proceeded to land a handful of elbows your fighter would not suffer more than if he is facing a puncher who is elite/elite against someone who was sensational/sensational.(I think that is the right progression levels). Even being elite in MT but without having elbows or knee's, he will likely be less stars on MT then a sen/sen guy with high elbow and/or knee's so he's still likely to get hit with an elbow or knee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duphus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Do strikers still dominate this game? Been awhile since I played here. it was more even until the last changes to counter TD's which nerfed them a fair amount and with the new prediction stuff, it does seem to be going back to strikers again, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 OK, I take it back. I can never revoke my 'most helpful Tycooner' vote for you Duphus. You're dreamy. BTW - Q-Rad said you're a dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itakebrides Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Do strikers still dominate this game? Been awhile since I played here. from what i find grapplers do better at lower weights while strikers do better at heavier weights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Verry helpful stuff thanks everybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyM5 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I doctored this photo to change some skills slightly so you can't tell which fighter of mine it is, but this will give you an idea of a top 20 P4P fighter http://i.imgur.com/Mm4dxoW.png I've had quite a few top 10 P4P fighters and only one of them have had skills like that. Hiddens are much more important than skills in my experience. Hell, look at Womba. He's retired now so I don't mind sharing this. http://i.imgur.com/awYfYsA.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I've had quite a few top 10 P4P fighters and only one of them have had skills like that. Hiddens are much more important than skills in my experience. Hell, look at Womba. He's retired now so I don't mind sharing this. http://i.imgur.com/awYfYsA.png Total training sessions 0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Training gets erased when they retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 . Hiddens are much more important than skills in my experience. i agree with this statement -- hiddens mean a lot -- here is gein's skill level and he had crappy confidence hidden -- his confidence hidden was so low and bad that he actually would not gain any moral from winning a fight -- he probably would of been a major beast if had any confidence at all -- he did lose some skill level to degrading he was higher than this have thought about bringing him out of retirement for a fight or two but not sure how huge degrading would hit him since been retired for long time now Karl Denke was by far my highest skilled fighter ever when i cut him -- think he was at 82% or something like that http://oi58.tinypic.com/33210li.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeTravel0 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Can we still use the greesemonkey scripts which show how well you're developing and how close you are to popping? The scripts don't seem to work anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yes but you need to alter an address in the code. See this thread: http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44367&hl=greasemonkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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