Tale of the Tape: KO Power

[Fireballer34]

When you look at your fighters tale of the tape, a lot of the time you will see KO Power, Heavy Handed, Big right hand, and I think a few others. Do any of these indicate more power than the others, or are they all the same?

[Skuzbukit]

 

[Fireballer34]

A bit confused with that. What does it mean left and right? And what is that order for?

[Jersey]

8 minutes ago, Fireballer34 said:

A bit confused with that. What does it mean left and right? And what is that order for?

Left or Right is whether they are in the red or blue corner, as the ToTT is usually different depending on that.

As far as the heirarchy, that means that the highest ones on the list tend to be the most desirable, as the fighter may also have the ToTT qualities below it.  That's why Granite Chin is so desirable, the fighter can also have every other hidden at a high level.  If I recall correctly, KO power is #2, I think.

[Daudy]

On 2/18/2024 at 7:33 AM, Fireballer34 said:

A bit confused with that. What does it mean left and right? And what is that order for?

 

On 2/18/2024 at 7:43 AM, Jersey said:

Left or Right is whether they are in the red or blue corner, as the ToTT is usually different depending on that.

As far as the heirarchy, that means that the highest ones on the list tend to be the most desirable, as the fighter may also have the ToTT qualities below it.  That's why Granite Chin is so desirable, the fighter can also have every other hidden at a high level.  If I recall correctly, KO power is #2, I think.

 

Not quite.

The hierarchy means that whatever is higher masks whatever is below. So for example, your guy might have a granite chin AND KO power indicators, but his granite chin (and insane flexibility on the left hand side TOTT when his flex is high enough) will disguise that. That's why people test early before they train too many physicals, as those can disguise things.

It's then a double edged sword. Your granite chin might actually also qualify for 'cuts easily' and otherwise have no power or heart, but you'd not know unless you test/fight a bit as his granite chin will disguise any other messages at the start.

You can use the general hierarchy to deduct what your fighter may or may not have. If he shows BRH/HH/KO Power then he obviously doesn't have a granite chin, but he may or may not have a solid chin. If he shows big heart, since that's quite far down the list, you'd know that he doesn't have that good a chin and he may not have great KO power (depending on which side of the TOTT he's on and what his punches are trained up to) - but at least he'd have good heart which is actually pretty important too.

Granite chin means you have 130+ out of 150 possible chin points in hiddens, KO power is 130+, Heavy Handed and BRH is 100+ (though with BRH, if you see that instead of KO power, you can narrow it down to 101-130 KO power). Sometimes you'll see Lethal High Kicks which is also 100+ power (and is on the 2nd line, so sometimes you can still see this even with granite disguising stuff). Solid/Good chin is 101-130 chin.

Those are the main ones. However, be aware that things like BRH/HH/LHK all need some secondary skills alongside having those hiddens. BRH/HH need punches and LHK needs kicks. KO power does not need this, but only appears on the left. That's why sometimes if a fighter tests on both sides early enough, he can show a KO power/solid chin combo.

Other things to watch out for are the fighter introductions. Sometimes it'll say 'such and such has the power to get to X chin' or 'both these guys have really solid chins'. The really solid chins tends to indicate both guys have at least good/solid chins. Either they're both good/solid, one is good/solid and one is granite, or both are granite. The Y has the power to get to X chin doesn't always mean that guy has great KO power, just that it's higher (by an inch or a mile) than the other guy's chin. Thus, if you see that message against an opponent who you can see has a solid chin, then you'd know you have at least 102+ KO power minimum. Or, you can use it in combination with retired guy's hiddens revealed to deduct more accurate pictures (which is how you can figure out my former #1 p4p guy has less than 70 chin despite being a HW).

[Jersey]

13 hours ago, Daudy said:

 

 

Not quite.

The hierarchy means that whatever is higher masks whatever is below. So for example, your guy might have a granite chin AND KO power indicators, but his granite chin (and insane flexibility on the left hand side TOTT when his flex is high enough) will disguise that. That's why people test early before they train too many physicals, as those can disguise things.

It's then a double edged sword. Your granite chin might actually also qualify for 'cuts easily' and otherwise have no power or heart, but you'd not know unless you test/fight a bit as his granite chin will disguise any other messages at the start.

You can use the general hierarchy to deduct what your fighter may or may not have. If he shows BRH/HH/KO Power then he obviously doesn't have a granite chin, but he may or may not have a solid chin. If he shows big heart, since that's quite far down the list, you'd know that he doesn't have that good a chin and he may not have great KO power (depending on which side of the TOTT he's on and what his punches are trained up to) - but at least he'd have good heart which is actually pretty important too.

Granite chin means you have 130+ out of 150 possible chin points in hiddens, KO power is 130+, Heavy Handed and BRH is 100+ (though with BRH, if you see that instead of KO power, you can narrow it down to 101-130 KO power). Sometimes you'll see Lethal High Kicks which is also 100+ power (and is on the 2nd line, so sometimes you can still see this even with granite disguising stuff). Solid/Good chin is 101-130 chin.

Those are the main ones. However, be aware that things like BRH/HH/LHK all need some secondary skills alongside having those hiddens. BRH/HH need punches and LHK needs kicks. KO power does not need this, but only appears on the left. That's why sometimes if a fighter tests on both sides early enough, he can show a KO power/solid chin combo.

Other things to watch out for are the fighter introductions. Sometimes it'll say 'such and such has the power to get to X chin' or 'both these guys have really solid chins'. The really solid chins tends to indicate both guys have at least good/solid chins. Either they're both good/solid, one is good/solid and one is granite, or both are granite. The Y has the power to get to X chin doesn't always mean that guy has great KO power, just that it's higher (by an inch or a mile) than the other guy's chin. Thus, if you see that message against an opponent who you can see has a solid chin, then you'd know you have at least 102+ KO power minimum. Or, you can use it in combination with retired guy's hiddens revealed to deduct more accurate pictures (which is how you can figure out my former #1 p4p guy has less than 70 chin despite being a HW).

Yeah, I was keeping it simple, this is a much more in-depth and fantastic explanation of what to look for when testing.

[Fireballer34]

Just got self confident on my ToT. It’s not on the hierarchy, do you know where that goes?

[Skuzbukit]

1 hour ago, Fireballer34 said:

Just got self confident on my ToT. It’s not on the hierarchy, do you know where that goes?

If your fighter was on the left it ranks below experienced (10th)

If your fighter was on the right it ranks at 6th above dtermined.

[soyster89]

On 2/24/2024 at 4:31 PM, Fireballer34 said:

Just got self confident on my ToT. It’s not on the hierarchy, do you know where that goes?

Having confidence is great, but seeing it pop on TotT means fighter's chin is under 100 and KO power is under 100. That said, the fighter could also learn super fast (test that too, BTW), may never get injured, may have a higher age skill degradation, may not cut hardly at all, etc. And to top it off, they could have a 99 chin and 99 KO power.