Patti Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 This thread: What the hell does this mean.... gave me this idea, so thank you AintRite! Someone made a list of belts and put it in the wiki. Let's make a list of what the Keys to Victory mean. So: Plays chess: none of your hiddens are particularly high or low. Likes gardening: none of your hiddens are particularly high or low. Good in bed: none of your hiddens are particularly high or low. Tends to Cut: you cut more easily compared to most. Granite chin: you won't get KOed easily (better than "solid chin"? better than "good chin"?) Very Strong: your strength is at least superb (?right?) Good Gas Tank: your cardio is at least superb (?right?) Brawler: you're set to aggression (???) Counter-Striker: you're set to counter (pretty sure on that one ) I'm not sure on most of these things. So, what do we, as a group, know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AintRite Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Ah, very interested in this. You are welcome for the inspiration Patti.haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyBlayze Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Plays chess: none of your hiddens are particularly high or low. Likes gardening: none of your hiddens are particularly high or low. Good in bed: none of your hiddens are particularly high or low. Tends to Cut: you cut more easily compared to most. Granite chin: you won't get KOed easily (better than "solid chin"? better than "good chin"?) Very Strong: your strength is at least superb (?right?) Good Gas Tank: your cardio is at least superb (?right?) Brawler: you're set to aggression (???) Counter-Striker: you're set to counter (pretty sure on that one ) I'm not sure on most of these things. So, what do we, as a group, know? Good job, Patti. As far as Granite Chin (Solid Chin/Good Chin) and KO Power(Heavy handed) amongst others, I've heard different "orders" for them. I'm not sure anyone know for sure, and I'm not sure there is a difference. I've always thought something showed up on your TotT if it was above 100 or Remarkable. Brawler means your fighter has less than Proficient striking and is set to Aggression. Counter is the same towards Counter. Some others off the top of my head: ADCC Champion - black belts Intelligent Experienced Fast Good Striking/Decent Boxing/Improved Boxing Good takedowns/Powerful Takedowns Good Kicks etc. Most of them are self-explanatory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffWanderer Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 I'm still under the impression that Granite chin is an indication of an unusually high chin while solid and good are good but not as good as the granite one and identical to each other (often representing left and right of the tale of the tape). However I'm not sure if this has ever been proved so it would be safe for the time being to assume that they are all the same until otherwise stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brion1234 Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 I'm still under the impression that Granite chin is an indication of an unusually high chin while solid and good are good but not as good as the granite one and identical to each other (often representing left and right of the tale of the tape). However I'm not sure if this has ever been proved so it would be safe for the time being to assume that they are all the same until otherwise stated. My favorite: Big Right Hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Very Strong: your strength is at least remarkable Good Gas Tank: your cardio is at least sensational Brawler: you're set to aggression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 there is powerful which I believe is a bit random because I have 1 guy who gets it with lower str then everyone else lol Also basic striking is in aggression as well as brawler. I believe brawler if high aggression as well as decently high combo's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Olympic Wrestler-Elite wrestling World Class Boxer-Sensational boxing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Heavy Handed (Fighter Big Right Hand (fighter A) KO Power (not sure if its side specific) Knockout Power (not sure if its side specific) I personally believe that heavy handed/big right hand are far superior to Knockout/KO Power. Big heart (100+ heart) Determined Cardio Machine(sensational+ cardio) Intelligent (only had it w/Fighter A) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Intelligent (only had it w/Fighter A) I have had Intelligent with Fighter B, for example: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=96138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Good low kicks must indicate that the fighter has wonderful(?) or better kicks and the manager has set up sliders so he will batter the legs or something. =) Tbh, this is the first time I have seen one like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 while solid and good are good but not as good as the granite one and identical to each other (often representing left and right of the tale of the tape). However I'm not sure if this has ever been proved so it would be safe for the time being to assume that they are all the same until otherwise stated. I can prove this right now: http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=23501 <-- solid chin, right side. http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=66742 <-- good chin, left side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Yeh as some have already stated the brawler one indicates that the striking is aggressive but also not any more than proficient in terms of technical ability as after that you seem to get the word boxing to describe your striking, so after that it may be improved boxing or something. I don't know the order it works in but from what I've seen that seems to be the case. Brawlers are set aggressive but do not have very good technique.....which of course makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Basic Striking is lower than proficient striking with sliders set to around the middle for aggression/counter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italscratch Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Heavy Handed (Fighter Big Right Hand (fighter A) KO Power (not sure if its side specific) Knockout Power (not sure if its side specific) I personally believe that heavy handed/big right hand are far superior to Knockout/KO Power. Big heart (100+ heart) Determined Cardio Machine(sensational+ cardio) Intelligent (only had it w/Fighter A) When i joined this game I've run into text somewhere in wiki or help part that stated knockout power << KO power << Big right hand Which kinda makes sense, with knockout power you can get someone in knockdown but he still manages to get up to his feet, KO can do it better, while Big right hand is...well Also saaw self-confident and very quick(speed <100?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 When i joined this game I've run into text somewhere in wiki or help part that stated knockout power << KO power << Big right hand Which kinda makes sense, with knockout power you can get someone in knockdown but he still manages to get up to his feet, KO can do it better, while Big right hand is...well Also saaw self-confident and very quick(speed <100?) I don't see how you could find a semantic difference between "knockout power" and "KO power", to determine that one is better than the other, when they literally mean the same thing... Anyway, I was going to try and contribute more in the way of the meaning of the different ways of reporting the same hidden on the TTOT, when I re-considered after coming to the realisation that there may be a couple of possibilities and I really am not sure. I can't find the post that Mike Tycoon made once on the subject to analyse and possibly help give me clarity on the matter, either. However, I don't see how you could come to a sound conclusion whereby you could put a number/score to a particular way of reporting a hidden (e.g., 100+ heart = "Big Heart"). Besides maybe a large study, controlling for those extraneous variables that you could. But even then that would be a whole lot of effort, and whether it could actually provide a clear result is uncertain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Ones from my recent fights and known values: Skill traits Solid boxing (Proficient-Superb boxing) Decent boxing (strong boxing/superb punches, Prof boxing/resp punches) {seems to be an overlap with these two traits} Excellent boxer (Wonderful boxing) Excellent MT (Wonderful MT) Basic striking (Competent stand up skills?) Physical traits Very strong (?-Remarkable++ strength) Powerful (Wonderful strength) KO power Personal traits Determined Experienced (age? - came against a 21 and 24 y.o., appeared on the 21yo after the 7th fight) Self-confident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Ones from my recent fights and known values: Skill traits Solid boxing (Proficient-Superb boxing) Decent boxing (strong boxing/superb punches, Prof boxing/resp punches) {seems to be an overlap with these two traits} Excellent boxer (Wonderful boxing) Excellent MT (Wonderful MT) Basic striking (Competent stand up skills?) Physical traits Very strong (?-Remarkable++ strength) Powerful (Wonderful strength) KO power Personal traits Determined Experienced (age? - came against a 21 and 24 y.o., appeared on the 21yo after the 7th fight) Self-confident Just to flesh this out a bit, I got Excellent Boxer for a Rem boxer with Rem punches this weekend. Also got "powerful" with a Strength of Rem. This might be too much to manage in just one thread. Perhaps it should be broken down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AintRite Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Lots of good info in here so far. I have overlooked all my fighters fights and not one says intelligent.LOL 10 fighters and all dumb as box of rocks, seems to be right on. I have had to move the slider "follow orders" all the way to the left, to listen to me 100% because they kept doing stupid shit like getting full mount and standing up, when I had the slider set to stay on the ground 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Heavy Handed (Fighter Big Right Hand (fighter A) KO Power (not sure if its side specific) Knockout Power (not sure if its side specific) I personally believe that heavy handed/big right hand are far superior to Knockout/KO Power. Big heart (100+ heart) Determined Cardio Machine(sensational+ cardio) Intelligent (only had it w/Fighter A) Ko power seams to be Fighter A (pic on the left side) related. 2 of my dudes get Ko-power when they are Fighter A and something else when B. Very Strong on fighter A changes to Powerfull on fighter B. Granite chin can appear on both sides Good chin as fighter A seams to be the solid chin as fighter B. As an additional information: one of my fighters gets a "tends to cut" on the A side and a "determined" on the B side. Both of this attributes gote overlayd by "powerfull" and "very strong". This makes me bread out an idea: I think that the most "extraordanary" skill (physical, hidden or so) appears on the left side, the second-most "extraordanary" one on the B side. Extraordanary stands for |skillvalue - mean of that skillrange|. For example |150 (abillity to ko) - 75 (average of that hidden)| = 75. But there are also gardeners, chessplayers and pornstars. I think this boys "happen" when there is no extraordanary value higher than 10-25 (im not sure for the exact value) for any skill of them. So lets take a look on my tends to cut/determined boy. both his values got replaced by strength-related attributes (very strong Aside, powerfull Bside). When he reached remarkable strength (value 100) with an extraordanary-skill of 25,00001 he lost "tends to cut" and "determined". I lake of an explanation why both got overlaid by strength so far. But, if you take a look at Puno for example it looks valid In his first fight (B-side) he was fast. (for fight nr 1, 2, 3, 4 - all B-sided). Fight 5 is A-sided and tells Ko-power In fight 6 something strange happens. he gets a solid chin B-sided. Then some Ko-power A-side fights. And the next strange thing: Bside Powerfull. (the fight against Jones). from now on A-side Ko-power and B-side Powerfull is the displayed attribute. I can explain that with my theorie. Ko-power is/was the highest attribute and got the right-side space. strength increased to the second-highest extraordanary and replaced the B-side attribute. (if im right, chin has to be a variable value since it replaced fast once in punos career. maybe by training cardio you get a better chin? oO) Finaly, why are there some both-side phrases (like granit-chin)... hmm i think this is the result of a very high extraordanary value. something like 65+ i'd say? now, as im tipping this i have to overthink my theorie again. The formula has to be skillvalue - average value of that skills range (instead of |skillvalue - average value of that skills range|). I think that fitts better since there hasn't been a "glass chin" as key to victory yet (in this case tends to cut is a hidden you want to have very near to 1. high tends to cut vallues do mean he cuts easily ). I know my theorie is very wobbly but its a start-off. First thing i would need to know is the strength value of puno i think he wont tell me so i need to find one of my fighters in the same situation. for the "dual replace" thing i got an idea in mind now. Still the A-side skill is the highest extraordanary. The B-side skill is calculated as following: (extraordanary Value of the A-sideskill) - 10 (just a random number i've choosen). If there is a second skill with an extraordanary value equal or higher than [(extraordanary Value of the A-sideskill) - 10] it will be displayed. If there are 2 skills with an higher value it will be choosen randomly wich one gets selected (in puno case: a-side skill is Ko-power; for b-side it was random between fast and good chin). Still laks something because i cant say why strength is the B-side skill now... maybe its just random for 2 skills with a very similar extraordanary value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 I believe Powerful is associated with knockout power... but I could be way off. edit:: actually yea i think it's strength related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Determined has been mentioned several times but not the trait it's related to, which I believe is the Self-confidence hidden trait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 does anybody else agree with me that "good in bed" relates to the confidence hidden? I think it means he has high confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backelie Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Determined is same as Big Heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patti Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Ones from my recent fights and known values: Skill traits Solid boxing (Proficient-Superb boxing) Decent boxing (strong boxing/superb punches, Prof boxing/resp punches) {seems to be an overlap with these two traits} Can you look at that fighter and see if Solid shows up when you're fighter A, and then Decent when you're fighter B or something like that? I bet that has something to do with why it seems like the same boxing stat is showing up like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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