List of Training Changes

[CAPITANKID]

the game was updated several times before you bought your VIP. turns out those updates were good enough to sucker you into buying VIP. now mike is just trying to improve his game some more so that he can sucker new unsuspecting ppl into enjoying his game enough to pay for it. just like he did to you. then he'll change it again after that. come to think of it, he is a pretty shitty dude. perhaps you should quit playing the game to show your displeasure. that would show him! go ahead man, make the sacrifice! you'll be the man that will always be remembered for leading the charge against mike tycoon and his deceptive ways

 

 

well not understanding it is okay. because the only thing that you'll need to realize is that it's setup now so that even the biggest moron can understand it. once mike puts in the trigger tracker, then it'll be as simple as 1,2,3

 

looool, wait,,,,, i think edwardsfan just called me a moron, hard to teach an old dog new tricks, hell i have only had a home computer now for 4 years.

[ajperok]

The only thing i really hate so far about these changes is the opposing skill element.

 

I believe that it ruins the game for some managers.

 

I can swallow and accept most if not all of the other changes,, but this part just is not cool at all.

 

It adds something to the game, yes, but it takes away more than it brings IMO.

 

I am really starting to hate AJPerok now!

 

only now?

A lot of these changes were things we talked about last March when I just started. Aging, Declining Skills, Skill Points Cap, over valued 1 v 1 training etc.... Of course then I was ranked 10,000 and everyone just hated me for being a jealous whiny noob. Now I'm ranked about 100 or so, I'm still for all these things- so I guess now it's just my charismatic online communication skills that attract people.

 

As for the opposing primaries, most of my guys are wrestler/muay thai so that is going to effect me directly too.

The difference, Grasman...

If you think exceptional x4 is too low for a well rounded fighter- Heck, your not leaving any room for a specialist. A specialist should be a more than 15% higher in their "speciality" then a 4 catagorie fighter IMO.

[lost]

2. Opposing skills. We view certain skills as opposing each other. For instance, having a high level of BJJ and Wrestling will make it harder to maintain a high level in Boxing or Muay Thai. However, having a high Muay Thai skill will not negatively affect your ability to maintain a high skill in Boxing. This applies to physical, primary and secondary skills. This effect only kicks in at a certain point and does not have any impact on the low to mid-levels.

this is so ridiculous it absurd,the opposite f this is the basis for mma fighters today as opposed to those of ufc1. and i truly fail to see why fighters lose there secondaries ever, its not very realistic, the physicals drop with age, but not really much from disuse so long as you are still training, as training really works the physicals if its for secondary stuff. 55 year olds still know how to throw a punch, the just arent quick enough or strong enough to use it effectivley vs a 22 year old. i could see minor drops in a secondary from not using it, but the learning speed to get back to your peak in that skill should be much much much faster then the speed it originally was as this is how you learn irl, if you dont kick for awhile you get rusty and at first suck like a noob but give it a week and your back in the groove, the noob you started with still sucks tho. Mike maybe its time you trained a bit yourself cause some of these changes lead me to believe your getting out of touch with reality

[j666]

well a day is a long time in mmatycoon and i have had time to digest all the changes , I DONT LIKE THEM

i think when i first started playing this game there were 10,000 active users , now there are 8,000 , how many of these pay to play

because like it or not the pay to play users pay for the game.

this is always going to be an issue , think for a momment who the changes benifit the most?

is it the players that have done two years game time ? or the non vip who has been playing for two months?

i am sorry but i feel it has to be said out loud.

who are the changes handcapping? answer you pay to play managers ,who are benifiting , answer your free players.

THIS IS WRONG if i get flamed who cares?but at least i say what i think.

just because a manager has been playing for a few years and has money to train his fighters to higher levels than a new manager isnt wrong?

you can all sit and agree with these changes if you wish but in effect , the hardcore players will stay and overcome ,and still pay to play

when the non paying players will prosper

 

mike i am sorry if this offends you but there are a lot more broken things that need sorting , this wont bring in new players , it will make paying players think fook this its not worth it.

 

moving the goalposts is one thing but changing the whole venue is somthing else.

if your a manager ranked outside the top 200 hundred go ahead flame me i realy dont give a shit ,as these changes benifit you!

but one day you just might get the top 100 managers badge , and then you may feel diffrent

i dont want to offend anyone but i wont eat shit layting down either

so you're going to eat it standing up?

 

I am in the top 200 and have my top 100 badge. I do have my worries that can only be alleviated by experiencing the changes 1st hand, but I have gone over the wiki updates more times than I care to count. Mike did what looks to be a great job keeping things realistic and fair. The established guys will not suddenly lose their beasts. They will just need to diversify their training or take fights more often than every 3 months. Over all it is clear Mike put a ton of thought into every change and is now testing and re-testing all the updates. Once I had the time to take it all in most my fears were gone and it looks like a really good update.

[ajperok]

2. Opposing skills. We view certain skills as opposing each other. For instance, having a high level of BJJ and Wrestling will make it harder to maintain a high level in Boxing or Muay Thai. However, having a high Muay Thai skill will not negatively affect your ability to maintain a high skill in Boxing. This applies to physical, primary and secondary skills. This effect only kicks in at a certain point and does not have any impact on the low to mid-levels.

this is so ridiculous it absurd,the opposite f this is the basis for mma fighters today as opposed to those of ufc1. and i truly fail to see why fighters lose there secondaries ever, its not very realistic, the physicals drop with age, but not really much from disuse so long as you are still training, as training really works the physicals if its for secondary stuff. 55 year olds still know how to throw a punch, the just arent quick enough or strong enough to use it effectivley vs a 22 year old. i could see minor drops in a secondary from not using it, but the learning speed to get back to your peak in that skill should be much much much faster then the speed it originally was as this is how you learn irl, if you dont kick for awhile you get rusty and at first suck like a noob but give it a week and your back in the groove, the noob you started with still sucks tho. Mike maybe its time you trained a bit yourself cause some of these changes lead me to believe your getting out of touch with reality

 

First off. Physicals are definitely opposing - it's not even worth debating. I really hope you aren't going to argue that you can put on 20 pounds of muscle and at the same time increase your flexibility and cardio just as easily as if you hadn't put that 20 on? That would tell me you have never trained.

You think Brock Lesnar maintains his Elite Strength from just training? You know he is on the cover of Muscle and Fitness this month, with his weight training work out right?

 

 

and Secondaries don't decrease?

So you think you can train takedowns for a few weeks at age 18, never train them again, and 10 years later you'd be "just a little rusty"? Do you have a clue?

I wrestled for 12 years including D1 in college, takedowns, the same damn double leg over and over, the same standups. You don't just stop training them and move on to something else. You know what Randy Couture trains every practice since the time he was 20. The same fundamental shit, over and over. You stop training elbows for a few weeks, you lose timing, you lose preciscion, every thing decreases if not practiced. Not because your 55 years old, because you have to stay sharp. It's the same thing in every sport, not just MMA. You think NBA basketball players stop practicing free throws?

[Guest]

@Soul

1. There might be some newcomer who doesn't go VIP because they feel like they can't chase up. By giving them hope to chase up and be better a bit easier, there might be new more VIPs. I use "might" because you never know, VIP amount might decrease anyway but I am personally shooting for an increase. You can't judge it by the userbase anyway. 6000 ppl, 2000 VIP > 8000 ppl, 1500 VIP, in terms of profit.

 

I see many good and underrated simulator game earns, so I think this change will attract the simulator fanatics.

 

2. You are still at a higher level if you have money and experience on your side. If your slider-fu is far better, you don't need +200 skill point difference to win, you can have like +50 skill point difference and still dominate your opponent easily because you are the shit. As for money, half-private gym(those with low cap and 12 different coaches) is always better than public gym and when you have the money to stay there, you are still better. Despite that the cap is at 2500/2600, not every fighter can reach that level, only the one with the best training can reach it(and faster than others), and who gets the best training? Rich managers, like you.

 

So...in short, experienced managers win newbie by having better training and sick-ass slider-fu.

 

3. Not flaming you, just giving your some of my opinion why an experienced manager is still better.

[jacky67]

physicals opposing it sucks hard .

[Grasman]

physicals opposing it sucks hard .

The more i think about it the more it blows!

[Grasman]

You're entitled to your opinion but I couldn't disagree with you more, so it doesn't offend me at all. I think this is 100% the most important thing that needed fixing and is probably the main reason why the userbase has decreased.

The gym situation needed fixing, agree.

 

Stats decrease at a very high level, maybe, not convinced though.

 

Opposing styles and physicals,,, not even remotely needed, I hate this with a passion. Only "RL copy priests" are calling for this. Fuck them.

 

This is a game, games are supposed to be fun, an escape FROM the restrictions of RL.

When certain realism detracts from the game, that realism should be excluded IMO.

[Grasman]

only now?

Yes, I hate you now with a passion, just like i hate mosquitoes, annoying fookers, sucking your blood!

You are an annoying fooker, sucking the enjoyment out of this game.

Had only despise for you before, but now i really do hate you.

[Grasman]

I got an email from a good manager who has been playing this game since 2009.

I hate the fact this guy is leaving because of these changes, and am worried several others are feeling the same, as that is the feeling i get when speaking privately to other managers.

 

Here is an extract from his mail.

 

The time has come for me to leave the game. I absolutely detest the skill decrease/ticker bollocks that has been introduced recently, so I'm outta here. I'm a self-confessed training whore who has averaged one fight per week in the almost 2 years I've been playing, so to be forced into having to fight regularly to maintain skill levels has killed it for me.

 

Now, i'm not a training whore, but i hate some of these changes, although they wont cause me to leave at this stage at least,, love this game too much.

 

But, it is like a conspiracy of arseholes, trying to convince the owner to seriously fuck up the training part of this game for many players.

 

Never being able to maintain a quad sensational or even remotely get close to reach quad elite,, to create the unbeatable fighters etc.. etc... etc.... all things some managers dreamed of doing,, has now been RUINED!!!!!!!!!!

 

Those managers are also a part of this game as it is, but many of them wont be for much longer, which is a fucking shame.

 

All in an effort to please some realism whores.

[Guest]

well a day is a long time in mmatycoon and i have had time to digest all the changes , I DONT LIKE THEM

i think when i first started playing this game there were 10,000 active users , now there are 8,000 , how many of these pay to play

because like it or not the pay to play users pay for the game.

this is always going to be an issue , think for a momment who the changes benifit the most?

is it the players that have done two years game time ? or the non vip who has been playing for two months?

i am sorry but i feel it has to be said out loud.

who are the changes handcapping? answer you pay to play managers ,who are benifiting , answer your free players.

THIS IS WRONG if i get flamed who cares?but at least i say what i think.

just because a manager has been playing for a few years and has money to train his fighters to higher levels than a new manager isnt wrong?

you can all sit and agree with these changes if you wish but in effect , the hardcore players will stay and overcome ,and still pay to play

when the non paying players will prosper

 

mike i am sorry if this offends you but there are a lot more broken things that need sorting , this wont bring in new players , it will make paying players think fook this its not worth it.

 

moving the goalposts is one thing but changing the whole venue is somthing else.

if your a manager ranked outside the top 200 hundred go ahead flame me i realy dont give a shit ,as these changes benifit you!

but one day you just might get the top 100 managers badge , and then you may feel diffrent

i dont want to offend anyone but i wont eat shit layting down either

 

Haha, fuck you you elitist shithead. I was ranked in the top 10 and consistently in the top 20 for a year or so, and your retarded moon logic doesn't make sense to me either.

 

We have less managers because Mike has flushed out tons of multis, and yes, people probably stopped playing because of how stupid the gym system was.

 

These changes will make training much better for 90% of the game population, and also favor cooperative alliances instead of entitled little shits like you.

 

In short, fuck you and the horse you came in on.

[Grasman]

Haha, fuck you you elitist shithead. I was ranked in the top 10 and consistently in the top 20 for a year or so, and your retarded moon logic doesn't make sense to me either.

 

We have less managers because Mike has flushed out tons of multis, and yes, people probably stopped playing because of how stupid the gym system was.

 

These changes will make training much better for 90% of the game population, and also favor cooperative alliances instead of entitled little shits like you.

 

In short, fuck you and the horse you came in on.

I have no idea WTF in his post prompted this type of response?

 

This reply Mannetosen, puts you down much more than the intended recipient.

[Guest]

I have no idea WTF in his post prompted this type of response?

 

This reply Mannetosen, puts you down much more than the intended recipient.

 

I dissagree, he is acting like an elitist shithead and gets the response his post warranted.

[Guest]

I have no idea WTF in his post prompted this type of response?

 

This reply Mannetosen, puts you down much more than the intended recipient.

 

Let's see:

 

Completely waves off anyone with a lower rank than what he perceives as good because their opinions aren't worth anything.

 

Seems to believe this change will destroy good managers and favor "non-paying", "low-ranked" ones.

 

Has his head so far up his ass he can almost see daylight through his teeth.

 

I get that you're alliance mates, but jeez.

[Grasman]

I dissagree, he is acting like an elitist shithead and gets the response his post warranted.

I share some of his views,, am i also an elitist shithead?

 

I agree he came across rather harshly, but he said things needed to be said.

 

I for one am not going to shut the fuck up, just because some arselickers are praising this change,, a change that seems to be ruining part of the game for many other managers.

 

I have no problem with you or Mannetosen, but i know for a fact many are pissed off about these changes.

 

Some of these coming changes are excellent, and badly needed,, but some of them are directly damaging and unwanted.

[Guest]

I share some of his views,, am i also an elitist shithead?

 

I agree he came across rather harshly, but he said things needed to be said.

 

I for one am not going to shut the fuck up, just because some arselickers are praising this change,, a change that seems to be ruining part of the game for many other managers.

 

I have no problem with you or Mannetosen, but i know for a fact many are pissed off about these changes.

 

Some of these coming changes are excellent, and badly needed,, but some of them are directly damaging and unwanted.

 

I don't mind him having opinions about it, even if I disagree with it. I mind him passing off his rambling as some sort of higher understanding bullshit that "lowly" scrub managers don't seem to "get". What he wrote was typical MMO elitism and he got exactly what he deserved.

[Guest]

I don't mind him having opinions about it, even if I disagree with it. I mind him passing off his rambling as some sort of higher understanding bullshit that "lowly" scrub managers don't seem to "get". What he wrote was typical MMO elitism and he got exactly what he deserved.

 

This.

[Grasman]

Let's see:

 

Completely waves off anyone with a lower rank than what he perceives as good because their opinions aren't worth anything.

 

Seems to believe this change will destroy good managers and favor "non-paying", "low-ranked" ones.

 

Has his head so far up his ass he can almost see daylight through his teeth.

 

I get that you're alliance mates, but jeez.

I have 1 fighter above 2700 points, 4 others very close.

 

This directly hurts me and several others that are pissed off with these changes.

 

Leave my fucking monsters alone,, i just got up there, and now that's being taken away,,, stolen from me.. call it what you like.. I hate it!

 

Are the self confessed training whores of this game not worth anything,, they have paid like you and i have,, why ruin shit for them?

 

I just prolonged my VIP for a year a month ago, would have prolonged it 3 years if i had the chance. I'm in this for the long haul, aim to be the best and have come quite far since Feb. 25th 2010, and am proud of that.

 

And i do believe my opinion or Soul's, is worth as much as yours, and should be heard.

 

I don't care if Mike gets annoyed because of my complaints, I AM FUCKING ANNOYED because of these changes and am in my full right to be so, hence complaining on the forum in the right thread, as did Soul, albeit in a different manner, but his manner just shows how deeply this is affecting some players interest in this game!

 

I won't leave because of this, but i won't STFU up either, because i am convinced some of the changes are of a very damaging nature for many managers.

[Grasman]

I don't mind him having opinions about it, even if I disagree with it. I mind him passing off his rambling as some sort of higher understanding bullshit that "lowly" scrub managers don't seem to "get". What he wrote was typical MMO elitism and he got exactly what he deserved.

It is very much the same attitude i got when i was newer complaining about the Cardio and Weights nerfing.

 

All those "experienced" managers who "knew better" etc.. etc....

 

I didn't get much support from you then, when the "elitist managers" were tearing me apart, even though i was completely right.

[Guest]

And you're entitled to your opinion. Then again I don't see you waving off anyone who aren't ranked a particular rank and going off on thinly veiled elitist tirades. This is why I didn't comment on your posts _at all_.

[Guest]

I'm loving the sound of these changes - you guys will argue about anything.

[Guest]

It is very much the same attitude i got when i was newer complaining about the Cardio and Weights nerfing.

 

All those "experienced" managers who "knew better" etc.. etc....

 

I didn't get much support from you then, when the "elitist managers" were tearing me apart, even though i was completely right.

 

That might be, I don't really remember. I've been supporting nerfed learning for over a year, though. Not to mention, people can change.

 

The problem isn't that he's waving off inexperienced managers who don't know the game. People can drop out of the top 200 for a variety of reasons and still know the game well. His rank bullshit is the weakest argument I've seen in a long time, and reeks of elitist bullshit.

 

EDIT: Anyways, this is going way off topic. What pisses me off is that he seems to believe the vast majority of this game doesn't deserve a voice in these changes, and sets the buffer with in-game rank, which is plain dumb. If you disagree with me then fine, by all means.

 

To the rest of you that don't resort to idiocity like this, I apologize for the derail.

[Grasman]

That might be, I don't really remember. I've been supporting nerfed learning for over a year, though. Not to mention, people can change.

 

The problem isn't that he's waving off inexperienced managers who don't know the game. People can drop out of the top 200 for a variety of reasons and still know the game well. His rank bullshit is the weakest argument I've seen in a long time, and reeks of elitist bullshit.

That's exactly what happened in the "cardio and weights" nerfing,, i was consistently told the experienced managers were the only opinions worth anything, because they had played for such a long time, while mine was worth almost nothing.

 

That's truly an elitist attitude, and while i do not agree with Souls method of action, i do agree with him on some of the pointers, but do not agree with him in relation to the noobs, as the noob situation needed to be fixed.

 

That is also being done,, but the opposing skills/physicals change has nothing to do with the noob situation, and is total bollocks IMO! It directly hurts me and my ambitions in this game and i oppose that in the strongest way.

[Guest]

Personally Grasman, I hope your entire alliance hates these changes and quits the game.

 

I have nothing against any of you personally, but ACME would have a hell of a stronger chance in HLC with you guys not kicking our ass every week.

 

So for that, I love all these changes.