Guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 this is somewhat how i look at it --- primaries to me are knowledge -- secondaries are tech / ability you really never lose knowledge but do lose ability and tech in my opinion this would be the best way to go. i posted as much in a previous thread. i see the primaries as more knowledge/achievment and the secondaries as the actual skill. also what happens in the tott. one monthe hes an olympic wrestler and the next month he isn't? or one month he's an adcc champ and then he isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 A fighter at blue belt level and poor stand-up skills it's pretty much a can in my opinion, even if he would have a high primary in wrestling that wouldn't be enough, indeed you'd have to search a lot for someone as crappy as that fighter to set up a match This describes half the guys getting into the UFC. Does anyone else think this has become way too complicated, decreasing stats, at like 21 years old, it doesn't happen in real life maybe I think this happens all the time. I've experienced it myself and seen it happen more times than I can count. And I can count to at least 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringfinger Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 I voted for keep the belt no matter what. Seems to make more sense to me. Nice try Rashad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceTempleton Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Why would we keep the belt? I would rather know the actual skill level of my opponent. Will our e-ego's really be that wounded if you lose our belts? If so, then train it back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper1 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Keep the belt, ofc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrookins Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 I think if you drop you should lose the belt. This isnt real life, so please dont anyone come at me with that logic. Sure you can still basicaly tell how much BJJ a guy has via the scout page but a lot of newb players will just end up been put off a lot of fights as a result of belts when they need not and it will just have a knock on effect of head pains due to fight declines for org owners. If people want fog of war thats another matter entirely... but keeping belts for the sake of it just seems off to me. Its like saying if i was once #1 p4p should i display that rank or my actual rank on my profile for astetic reasons, come on now. agreed, people cant always compare the game to real life in every aspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrk Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 theres no reason for losig belts in bjj. only reason is that you want to know 'numbers' ingame. thats no reason. keep em belts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Keeping the belt aint really fair to be honest, that's like sayin keep our boxing at elite even if it drops to wonderful. The belt isn't an award, it's a way to display a stat. So I think once you drop far enough you lose the belt just like any other stat. BJJ belt is equivalent to a BJJ stat which = same thing as a boxing or Muay thai primary stat. So if your BJJ stat decays so should the belt. Make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergio Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 As the PBR manager said: The knowledge we never Eskimos. We just got "out of rhythm." If you know how to apply an armbar from guard, but your opponent is training while you are eating pizza, you can not do this fight time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrk Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 belt is only partialy expression of skills. it has all other kinds of info in it. especially when owner gets older and non competetive. bjj belts are not as descriptive as other skills, but it only makes then more reality like and its definately cooler. it would be cool if red belts ingame could give belts to other fighters, up to brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 As the PBR manager said: The knowledge we never Eskimos. We just got "out of rhythm." If you know how to apply an armbar from guard, but your opponent is training while you are eating pizza, you can not do this fight time! Because that totally applies to this game right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jls.monster Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Keeping the belt is realistic, as is the skill value decreasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Keeping the belt is realistic, as is the skill value decreasing. If everything has to be realistic then i suggest we also remove sliders, thats very unrealistic. Hey GSP... come here a moment while i set your sliders... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 It seems silly saying that just because one aspect of the game isn't realistic, then we should forget about realism altogether. If the realistic way doesn't detract from the game then we should always go with that option, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesCozad Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 I like this idea too. Maybe it could display both, such as: Smith has Mediocre boxing, Mediocre Muay Thai, Wonderful wrestling, Exceptional Jiu-Jitsu, and holds a Black Belt. I like this idea the best. If the belt is kept, this should be implemented that way it keeps the best as something aesthetic and shows a fighter's BJJ skill at his peak before the decline. I know we're discussing the belt in regards to the game here, but the belt has much more semblance and meaning as something earned in realism and should at least be carried over here. You can't unearn the work and effort to earn a blue, purple, brown, black, or red belt just because your fighter decided to stop training BJJ or any associated secondaries for it in X amount of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis84 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 I don't care one way or the other but on gut feeling I say lose the belt if you drop below its minimum threshold level. As far as I see it the belt is just a representation of what skill you have and should be treated as such just like Boxing, Muay Thai and Wrestling is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceTempleton Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Is the belt not just for show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrk Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 seriously guys, why does it all have to be about fucking numbers... :/ you cant play the game without knowing your opponets stats to 0.0001 point? exaggeration is delibeate, before someone starts playing smart... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 seriously guys, why does it all have to be about fucking numbers... :/ you cant play the game without knowing your opponets stats to 0.0001 point? exaggeration is delibeate, before someone starts playing smart... Because this game is like 90% mathematical dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I have no idea what you're responding to. Yeah it was about the idea that it's more difficult to scout fights if the belt remains the same after skill dropping, I don't believe that's the case If the dropping of skills has been capped even less, yeah so I would go for keepin' the belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 If everything has to be realistic then i suggest we also remove sliders, thats very unrealistic. Hey GSP... come here a moment while i set your sliders... Uh, yeah, that's called coaching... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Why would we keep the belt? I would rather know the actual skill level of my opponent. Will our e-ego's really be that wounded if you lose our belts? If so, then train it back. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyoto Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 In real life no one loses belt of graduation. Only gets rusty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergio Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 I do not think we should lose the belt. I think it should only decrease as the attributes of Boxing / MT / Wrestling. But only the manager can see this fighter. That would be good for a surprise to the game. BELTS RED could only lose. With the Skill Maintenance and Natural Apititude few would be true Black Belt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko19 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Keeping the belts would be very unfair to the other primaries. BJJ already is the hardest primary to scout. Why make it harder just for aesthetic reasons? In real life BJJ belts are as much a sign of respect as ability. (Losing a belt would be very disrespectful to the student) In the game they show your fighter's primary....... Let's allow the belt to do its job please. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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