Castor Told Me Mentor Is A Multi

[listerman]

I have had to run cards in the past with less than 10 fights. I would have love to pull a few multis out if my backside to fill the card. Instead. I did what I could and took the hype hit.

 

Surely Mentor admitting that he used multis in this way gives him an unfair advantage? How is that fair and how many times did he do that?

 

Finally, some smart comments!

 

Using multis to fill cards is exploiting the game. Like darksoul says, if you can't fill a card, you take a hype/rating hit. It also decreases money gains.

 

Game set and match.

[Grasman]

You are basically saying that he has done good, so he should get away with it.

Correct me if im wrong, but how many new players do you think were supplied with VIP by Steel Penn? And he still got punished for multis.

And what good did it do,, he's still there and one of the wealthiest managers.

As far as i understand, he abused it badly and got punished,, which is fair enough.

 

Either you get punished for having a multi, or you don't. The rule states No Multi's, so he should be punished for having a multi, regardless of the purpose of it.

I politely disagree.

 

This is a game, you can't relate the punishments in here to real life, due to many areas in real life having different laws.

True, but you can't be insulted over minor in game cheating when you cheat similarly in life.

 

The fact he admitted to it after indisputable proof shows his guilty of the offense, so he should be punished according to the precedent set by the Steel Penn case.

I think the punishment should fit the crime.

If there was barely any harm done, why should the punishment be harsh, if any.

 

Do you think new players would rather play a game where experienced players can have as many accounts as they want or would they rather play a game where experienced members won't already have an unfair advantage over them?

It just means they can do it themselves in a similar way, as long as they don't abuse it.

[Wolf]

I fought the law but the law won

[Grasman]

I have had to run cards in the past with less than 10 fights. I would have love to pull a few multis out if my backside to fill the card. Instead. I did what I could and took the hype hit.

 

Surely Mentor admitting that he used multis in this way gives him an unfair advantage? How is that fair and how many times did he do that?

This is the only issue important to me

[Grasman]

 

Finally, some smart comments!

 

Using multis to fill cards is exploiting the game. Like darksoul says, if you can't fill a card, you take a hype/rating hit. It also decreases money gains.

 

Game set and match.

And those org owners whom abuse that have been sorted out in the past.

But only if they abuse it though.

 

The only question here is, "did he abuse it or was it a once in a blue moon thing"

[darksoul]

To be fair grasman, with how he was talking last night he pretty much used his multis wherever he felt justified in doing so. As and when he felt like it. And someone like him wouldn't know how to control himself.

[nandorossi]

My Fighter Opponent Method Event Date Rnd Time L Con Dumas Bolt Morris Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA Battleground#10 2013-12-07 3 05:00 L Ryfus Kelly Harvey Specter Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA Battleground#10 2013-12-07 3 05:00 L Dominickoy Maia James Harbor Submission (Armbar) GAMMA Battleground#10 2013-12-07 1 02:58 L Con Dumas Rashad Evans Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA Battleground#4 2013-10-26 3 05:00 L Nolan Martin Taylor Clark TKO (Strikes) GAMMA Battleground#3 2013-10-19 3 03:44 L Ce Ca David Charles TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#350 Dubbery v Fortunado 2013-09-22 1 01:21 L Ren Rothschild Kyle Scissors Submission (Guillotine) GAMMA#342 Cabreros v Ultra 2013-08-25 1 04:49 L Fred Flintstone Thomas Hearns KO (Punch) GAMMA#339 Mendez v Grimes 2013-08-17 1 01:42 L Nathan Wood Jorge Riviera TKO (Punches) GAMMA#338 Renan vs Robins 2013-08-11 3 02:28 L Cash Patrone Daniel Campos KO (Punch) GAMMA#335 Mangold v Adis 2 2013-08-03 2 00:25 L Ce Ca Ilya Dragunov TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#334 Williams vs Mendez 2013-07-28 2 01:21 L Juri Arpa Roman Pavluchenko TKO (Punch and Knee) GAMMA#331 Green v East 2013-07-20 3 02:26 L Marco Todd Jack White I I I Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#329 Ettish v Sinclair 2013-07-13 3 05:00 L Rodger Waldie Cinder Smaug KO (Punches) GAMMA#327 Williams v Ironz 2013-07-06 1 01:09 L Jorge Riviera John Jackson Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#326 Cabreros v Thomas 2013-06-30 3 05:00 L Ren Rothschild Brad Rood TKO (Punches) GAMMA#326 Cabreros v Thomas 2013-06-30 1 00:57 L Nathan Wood Captain Caveman Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#326 Cabreros v Thomas 2013-06-30 3 05:00 L Ronaldo Gaulamos Gareth Bale KO (Head Kick) GAMMA#325 Matazz v Sinatra 3 2013-06-29 1 00:31 L Walter Hissink Hannibal Die Rücksichtslos TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#324 Williams v Grimes 2013-06-23 1 00:08 L Ronaldo Gaulamos Puff Dragon KO (Punch) GAMMA#321 Green v Ettish 2 2013-06-15 1 00:57 L Marco Todd Apu Nahasapimapetilan Jr KO (Head Kick) GAMMA#321 Green v Ettish 2 2013-06-15 1 03:37 L Rodger Waldie Robert Lindquist Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#319 Grimes v Shirahama 2013-06-08 3 05:00 W Jorge Riviera Captain Caveman TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#310 Cabreros v Gump 2013-05-05 2 03:43 L Ronaldo Gaulamos Billy Weeks Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#309 Raz vs Watts 2 2013-05-04 3 05:00 L Marco Todd Eli Massey Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#309 Raz vs Watts 2 2013-05-04 3 05:00 L Walter Hissink James Holmes TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#308 Dubbery v Cullen 2013-04-28 1 00:58 W Rodger Waldie Chad Vonny TKO (Cut) GAMMA#307 Shirahama v Colossu... 2013-04-27 2 01:58 L Juri Arpa Jesse Venturia KO (Head Kick) GAMMA#307 Shirahama v Colossu... 2013-04-27 1 00:57 L Ren Rothschild Ilya Dragunov TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#306 Green v Comet 2013-04-21 3 01:57 L Dutch Snake Hunter Tiyaro Feitsora TKO (Cut) GAMMA#304 Dubbery v Tchepikov 2013-04-14 2 01:36 L Doug Copley Dima Goldin Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#304 Dubbery v Tchepikov 2013-04-14 3 05:00 L Jorge Riviera Leandro Rodrigues TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#302 Juste v Stevens 2013-04-07 1 04:56 W Rodger Waldie Irving Massimo TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#299 Colossus v Rajantak... 2013-03-30 1 01:27 L Marco Todd Thurgood Jenkins Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#297 Green v Watts 2013-03-23 3 05:00 W Ronaldo Gaulamos Apu Nahasapimapetilan Jr KO (Punch) GAMMA#296 Kuduro v Tanner 2013-03-17 1 00:12 W Dutch Snake Hunter Sol Tavarez Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#292 Degen vs Kuduro 2013-03-03 3 05:00 L Walter Hissink Tom Huddlestone KO (Punches) GAMMA#292 Degen vs Kuduro 2013-03-03 1 04:18 L Doug Copley Lucifer Diabolus TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#292 Degen vs Kuduro 2013-03-03 1 04:58 L Ren Rothschild Kyle Scissors Submission (Guillotine) GAMMA#290 Matazz v Watts 2 2013-02-24 1 01:44 L Juri Arpa Semin Cuk KO (Punches) GAMMA#287 Fedotov v Pennanen 2013-02-16 1 00:27 L Rodger Waldie Daniel Campos TKO (Cut) GAMMA#287 Fedotov v Pennanen 2013-02-16 1 02:49 L Jorge Riviera Sasha Lakovic KO (Head Kick) GAMMA#286 Gump v Juste 2 2013-02-10 2 01:57 L Marco Todd Apu Nahasapimapetilan Jr TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#285 Matazz v Green 2013-02-09 3 01:38 W Ronaldo Gaulamos Brady Harrison KO (Punch) GAMMA#285 Matazz v Green 2013-02-09 2 04:08 L Doug Copley Jay Copeland Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#284 Dubbery v Grimes 2 2013-02-03 3 05:00 W Walter Hissink Arthur Wallace KO (Punch) GAMMA#280 Kuduro v Hannibal 2013-01-19 1 01:48 W Ronaldo Gaulamos Mark Lewis KO (Strikes) GAMMA#277 Dubbery v Cole 2013-01-05 1 02:32 W Rodger Waldie Robert Lindquist KO (Punch) GAMMA#274 Duberry v Neekis 2012-12-22 2 00:20 L Walter Hissink Conrado Guerra Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#271 Gambler v Gillis 2 2012-12-08 3 05:00 W Ronaldo Gaulamos Eleomar Cabbat KO (Punches) GAMMA: Rookies #199 2012-10-27 2 01:56 W Walter Hissink Knock Out KO (Strikes) GAMMA#261 Gillis v Gambler 2012-10-20 2 01:57 L Rodger Waldie Robert Lindquist TKO (Cut) GAMMA#259 Edge v Aurelius 2012-10-13 3 01:25 L Walter Hissink Steve Rogers Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#256 Gillis v Tavarez 2012-09-29 3 05:00 L Ronaldo Gaulamos Nick Thompson Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#250 Denke v Matazz 2 2012-08-25 3 05:00 L Ronaldo Gaulamos Mike Hunt TKO (Strikes) GAMMA: Contenders #183 2012-07-21 2 04:55

 

My Fighter Opponent Method Event Date Rnd Time L Ken Shamrock Kenny Clack Submission (Kimura) LVC #78 Rahapussi vs Christof... 2014-05-17 2 04:36 W Beat Down Reginald Horner KO (Punch) TKOMMA#2 2014-05-10 1 00:16 L Bas Rutten Mickey OReilly TKO (Cut) LVC #74 2014-05-03 2 03:47 W Randy Couture Diego Strecha TKO (Strikes) LVC #74 2014-05-03 1 03:32 W Matt Hughes Chico Dicko TKO (Strikes) LVC #71 McGee vs. Winnfield 2014-04-26 1 02:26 W Ken Shamrock Dont Know KO (Punch) LVC #72 2014-04-26 2 00:10 W Chuck Liddel Medium Hardon TKO (Strikes) LVC #72 2014-04-26 1 00:38 W Matt Hughes Chico Dicko KO (Punches) LVC# 57 2014-03-02 1 02:59 W Chuck Liddel Magestico Garuntasticos KO (Punches) LVC# 57 2014-03-02 1 00:05 L Mini Me Moses Rington KO (Punch) LVC #56 Oosteroom vs. B. Belt 2014-03-01 1 02:18 W Randy Couture Daquiem Jonhnson KO (Punch) LVC #55 2014-02-23 1 00:18 W Matt Hughes Daniel Roland KO (Superman Punch) LVC #53 2014-02-16 1 00:09 L Ortiz Little David Pikachoo Submission (Arm Triangle) LVC #51 2014-02-09 1 04:30 L Chuck Liddel Scott Voss Submission (Kimura) LVC #51 2014-02-09 1 02:34 L Ken Shamrock Angus MacGyver Decision (Unanimous) LVC #50 Robinson vs Asztalos 2014-02-08 3 05:00 W Randy Couture Daquiem Jonhnson TKO (Strikes) LVC #48 - Binzo's World ... 2014-02-01 1 00:59 W Chuck Liddel Chris Johnson KO (Punches) LVC #46 Jackson vs. Fighter 2014-01-25 1 01:35 W Matt Hughes Dwayne Johnson KO (Punches) LVC #45 2014-01-19 1 01:59 W Chuck Liddel Ricky Hu KO (Punch) LVC #40 Gorrila vs Oosteroom 2014-01-04 1 01:20 W Ken Shamrock Mike Dean TKO (Strikes) LVC #40 Gorrila vs Oosteroom 2014-01-04 2 00:32 W Matt Hughes James K Lee KO (Head Kick) LVC #39 2013-12-29 1 00:09 L Ortiz Little George Sullivan Decision (Majority) LVC #39 2013-12-29 3 05:00 W Ken Shamrock David Izmailov KO (Punch) LVC #32 Papaioanou vs Gorilla 2013-12-07 1 00:30 W Aaron Lennon Marcel Madnick TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#322 James v Cabreros 2013-06-16 1 04:25 W Aaron Lennon Akekae Pokaku TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#310 Cabreros v Gump 2013-05-05 1 02:38 W Gareth Bale Apu Nahasapimapetilan Jr KO (Punch) GAMMA#309 Raz vs Watts 2 2013-05-04 1 01:45 L Aaron Lennon Taylor Clark TKO (Punches) GAMMA#298 Fedotov v Ferrari 2013-03-24 1 03:34 L Jermaine Barksdale Darrian Ashoka Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#296 Kuduro v Tanner 2013-03-17 3 05:00 L Gareth Bale Raylan Givens Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#293 Gump v Fedotov 2013-03-09 3 05:00 L Jermaine Barksdale Sol Tavarez Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#284 Dubbery v Grimes 2 2013-02-03 3 05:00 L Gareth Bale Tank The Razors Edge KO (Punch) GAMMA#281 Thomas v Green 2013-01-26 1 01:58 L Rafael van Vaart Nick Thompson TKO (Punches) GAMMA#277 Dubbery v Cole 2013-01-05 2 02:56 W Gareth Bale Sonny Giovanni Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#274 Duberry v Neekis 2012-12-22 3 05:00 W Gareth Bale Brady Harrison KO (Punches) GAMMA#269 Bloome v Colossus 2012-12-01 1 04:16 W Aaron Lennon Vicky Vegas TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#269 Bloome v Colossus 2012-12-01 3 02:48 W Jermaine Barksdale Puff Masta Fluff TKO (Strikes) UPGV 109 Mercer vs Michaels 2012-12-01 2 02:38 W Tom Huddlestone Conrado Guerra KO (Head Kick) GAMMA#266 Gambler v Hannibal 2012-11-17 3 01:29 W Gareth Bale Mark Lewis TKO (Cut) GAMMA#265 Edge v Matazz 2 2012-11-10 3 02:55 W Roman Pavluchenko Hildebert Fabian KO (Strikes) GAMMA: Rookies #202 2012-11-10 2 03:46 L Aaron Lennon Brad Rood KO (Punches) GAMMA#264 Jankovic v Bloom 2012-11-03 1 00:52 L Rafael van Vaart Cormac Gutz TKO (Strikes) GAMMA: Rookies #199 2012-10-27 3 04:38 W Tom Huddlestone Chop Dick Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#261 Gillis v Gambler 2012-10-20 3 05:00 L Roman Pavluchenko Marcus McBorin Submission (Triangle) GAMMA: Rookies #198 2012-10-20 1 01:46 L Aaron Lennon Justin Mayhem TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#260 Bundy v Juste 2012-10-13 3 02:45 W Gareth Bale Kalib Koscheck KO (Punch) GAMMA#260 Bundy v Juste 2012-10-13 1 02:56 L Rafael van Vaart Inya Face TKO (Strikes) GAMMA: Contenders #194 2012-09-29 2 00:46 W Roman Pavluchenko Hildebert Fabian KO (Strikes) GAMMA: Contenders #192 2012-09-22 1 01:48 W Aaron Lennon Brandon Duscaw Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA#252 Juste v Bieber 2012-09-08 3 05:00 W Peter Crouch Nate Newman KO (Punches) UPGV 85 Wiesenthal vs Ferrari 2012-09-08 1 02:47 L Roman Pavluchenko Robert Lindquist TKO (Strikes) GAMMA#251 Duberry v Zedski 2012-09-01 2 03:09 W Tom Huddlestone Raian Baaden Decision (Unanimous) Honour FC 20: End of an Era 2012-08-31 3 05:00 L Rafael van Vaart Apu Nahasapimapetilan Jr KO (Punch) Honour FC 19: Gold Cup Final 2012-08-25 1 04:55 L Tom Huddlestone Vinicius Magalhaes Submission (Arm Triangle) Honour FC 17: Crowd Pleaser 2012-08-12 3 00:57 L Rafael van Vaart Rafael Narvaez KO (Punch) Honour FC 14: Dream Big 2012-07-22 1 01:20 L Roman Pavluchenko Zachary Krantz Submission (Guillotine) Quick Fight Championship 2012-07-10 1 01:56 W Aaron Lennon Ramon Rodriguez Submission (RNC) Quick Fight Championship 2012-07-05 3 04:27 L Gareth Bale Eric Castle TKO (Punches) UFC17 2012-06-30 2 01:28 L Peter Crouch Roderick Jenkins KO (Punch) UPG Vegas 64 Engle vs TT 2012-06-29 1 01:57 W Jermaine Barksdale Tony Gates Decision (Unanimous) UPG V 62 Cloltran vs Highwind 2012-06-22 3 05:00 W Tom Huddlestone Da Coach KO (Punches) UFC16 2012-06-16 1 02:56 W Rafael van Vaart Kevin Walters KO (Punches) Omega FL 115 2012-06-09 1 02:08 W Gareth Bale Mitch Roxton Decision (Unanimous) UFC15 2012-06-02 3 05:00 W Jermaine Barksdale Pj Benn Decision (Unanimous) GAMMA: Contenders #169 2012-04-28 3 05:00 W Rafael van Vaart Felix King TKO (Strikes) GAMMA: Contenders #170 2012-04-28 1 00:34

LVC and TKOMMA are both gamma orgs.

[Grasman]

NO! it is a rule and it needs to have the same punishment no matter what the case is.

But that's not how it is or has been.

You are demanding a change to a (so far) successful format.

[listerman]

And those org owners whom abuse that have been sorted out in the past.

But only if they abuse it though.

 

The only question here is, "did he abuse it or was it a once in a blue moon thing"

 

You're starting to argue with yourself now, fun.

 

Look at his multis. They all fight for GAMMA. Is it once in a blue moon? If it means often? Then yes it is.

[ArtieBanks]

 

You are basically saying that he has done good, so he should get away with it.

Correct me if im wrong, but how many new players do you think were supplied with VIP by Steel Penn? And he still got punished for multis.

And what good did it do,, he's still there and one of the wealthiest managers.

As far as i understand, he abused it badly and got punished,, which is fair enough.

 

 

 

He had to re-buy his VIP giving Mike more money, he had to pay ZyD 200 USD for his org back, he has bought a lot of vip for people in order to regain his lost millions. I'd say the community benefited greatly due to the punishment handed down to Steel Penn. So did Mike and ZyD's wallets.

[Viking]

 

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Why? I dont cheat/break the rules.

[Grasman]

To be fair grasman, with how he was talking last night he pretty much used his multis wherever he felt justified in doing so. As and when he felt like it.

Ok, then its clear abuse and that should be dealt with.

I wasn't in that conversation, as i never use chat.

 

In this thread there has been talk of 1 or 2 accounts, which is minor unless abused,

But, to be realistic, if he abused that, he probably had a lot more accounts at some point in the past.

[ArtieBanks]

 

 

Why? I dont cheat/break the rules.

 

 

You are just a poor mans Jacky.

[GBK16]

 

You are basically saying that he has done good, so he should get away with it.

Correct me if im wrong, but how many new players do you think were supplied with VIP by Steel Penn? And he still got punished for multis.

And what good did it do,, he's still there and one of the wealthiest managers.

As far as i understand, he abused it badly and got punished,, which is fair enough.

 

Either you get punished for having a multi, or you don't. The rule states No Multi's, so he should be punished for having a multi, regardless of the purpose of it.

I politely disagree.

 

This is a game, you can't relate the punishments in here to real life, due to many areas in real life having different laws.

True, but you can't be insulted over minor in game cheating when you cheat similarly in life.

 

The fact he admitted to it after indisputable proof shows his guilty of the offense, so he should be punished according to the precedent set by the Steel Penn case.

I think the punishment should fit the crime.

If there was barely any harm done, why should the punishment be harsh, if any.

 

Do you think new players would rather play a game where experienced players can have as many accounts as they want or would they rather play a game where experienced members won't already have an unfair advantage over them?

It just means they can do it themselves in a similar way, as long as they don't abuse it.

 

He may still be there, but he was punished accordingly to the crime. He had enough money in real life to get back to the position he was in.

 

If you disagree with that, you disagree with the rules that Mike put in place. So according to you, I can have as many multis as I want? Have multis will benefit your main account indirectly by allowing you to learn about different areas, giving you an unfair advantage over people who play the game fairly.

 

At what point did I say I break the law? You are effectively enforcing your own policy of "One guy admitted to break the law, so everyone shall be treated the same"

 

He used Multis to fill countless Gamma cards if you bothered to read peoples posts. As far as I am concerned, that is getting an unfair advantage again.

 

So you are saying that all new members should break the rules in order to keep up? That is the stupidest logic I have ever heard of.

[Grasman]

 

You're starting to argue with yourself now, fun.

 

Look at his multis. They all fight for GAMMA. Is it once in a blue moon? If it means often? Then yes it is.

If its frequent, then it's abuse and he should get punished.

I've said that several times.

[Viking]

 

 

You are just a poor mans Jacky.

 

 

I am the Original, son. I have won several awards for my banter on British Football Forums. I was winding people up when both you and Jacky were still in diapers, hes got nothing on me.

[listerman]

Ok, then its clear abuse and that should be dealt with.

I wasn't in that conversation, as i never use chat.

 

In this thread there has been talk of 1 or 2 accounts, which is minor unless abused,

But, to be realistic, if he abused that, he probably had a lot more accounts at some point in the past.

 

I understand your arguments. Thing is, if you read dinooo's TWW news, you will understand better. I wasn't in chat either, but I saw the conversations.

[Grasman]

So according to you, I can have as many multis as I want

Eh, no, I actually said that abuse is punished and has been punished, non abuse hasn't been punished.

That's a fact.

At what point did I say I break the law?

At what point did i accuse you of braking the law?

[aylib]

Grassman, I've been around for a while, paid my dues in VIP. Would it be alright for me to get couple extra accounts?

[nandorossi]

 

So according to you, I can have as many multis as I want

Eh, no, I actually said that abuse is punished and has been punished, non abuse hasn't been punished.

That's a fact.

you said they cant interact so yes you are infact saying he can have as many multis as long as they dont interact with eachother

 

At what point did I say I break the law?

At what point did i accuse you of braking the law?

I am not sure if you did accuse gbk16vbut I am not going to keep editing quotes to make myself look like i have a better argument.

 

Worst post of the year.

[Guest]

Who cares whether he is a multi or not?

Even worse,, who gives a flying fuck what castor has to say?

 

There are way more multies than non multies in this game, always has and probably always will be.

The ones with the greatest indignation of alleged multies, are more often than not, multies them selves.

 

Shit like this is unnecessary bullshit that just takes Mikes time away from something constructive, user gets booted and doesn't come back. The only multies that come back instantly, are the true scum-fuckers of this game, like Humors, Splash, Misfit, Castor etc...

 

Those fuckers pop straight back under a different ID and continue harassing other members of the game with their trolling, ignorance.

 

Now, people can have a varied opinion of Mentor, but he has always done a lot for the game, for a long time now,,, who cares if he has another account or has done so in the past.

 

Go after the fuckers that do nothing but diminish other managers joy of the game and contribute nothing positive.

Fuck those arseholes,, but I still don't care if they are multies, unless its in the extreme.

When people abuse it badly, they always get nailed, and that's how it should be.

 

This isn't a trade two good things for one bad action. Obviously we can never know if Mentor had any true negative outcomes due to his actions but there's a real chance his actions caused at least one person to not get a VIP account. That one paid account outweighs all his non-VIP multi's.

 

I must know who you are, as I have only introduced/invited 2 people to GTi

Regarding the multies... There are too many multies in this game to clean them up.

We would end up with a 300-500 user game, and thats way to few to enjoy, even if we reached 1000 non multi users.

 

IMO individuals with more than 1 account outnumber users with only 1 account c.a 4-1

 

It would take a lot of the fun out of the game instantly...

 

I'm going to use your rapist and murderer comparison here...are there too many of them in the real world to clean up? Should we just not worry about trying than?

 

Again, I could not care less what you and the other aforementioned 3 pricks have to say, multies or not.

I'd rather have 10 multies running around than any one of you, as you twats damage the game far worse.

Whether i beat your arse as Castor or under a different name, makes no fucking difference to me.

Dramaqueens that stir up bad shit, nor scumfuckers chasing users away from this game, fuck them.

We need MORE USERS, NOT LESS.

 

Multi's =/= more users...

 

No, that's not optimal at all.

 

But, I've never felt at a disadvantage against those i know are multies.

I started in 2010 and it was very hard to start a nute shop at that time and its even harder now.

Thats not because there are more multies now,, as imo there aren't, but because there are more established companies.

On top of that the nute scenario is a bit broken in the game, making it really hard to start a nute business, but Mike will fix that at some point.

 

So because something is broken we should allow people to break set rules in order to test ideas for loopholes? Here's another real world comparison for you than...should I be allowed to start a company and test wildly crazy, or even safe, ideas of ways to generate revenue/profit and should they fail walk away from said company with no recourse? IE - bankruptcy and being held accountable for those actions financially at the very least?

 

Having many multie accounts, fucking over noobs, running several businesses under many accounts and generally chasing peopel away from the game are the Tycoon rape and murder scenarios, while dual VIP identities kept apart are the Tycoon pot smokers..... its illegal,, but who cares.

 

That's the point you missed.

 

Thing is he didn't keep them apart, and you have no idea if he caused anyone to leave.

 

Booting users for being multies = less users=bad.

Is that hard to understand?

 

Of the very few exceptions are people like Humors, the game is way better off with out them.

 

Less multi's is still the same user base, just less managers. Your argument is flawed.

 

these users outnumber users with 1 account c.a. 4 to 1 imo, so NO, the game can't afford that, it would simply die with 500 ish users..

 

You have no data to back any of that up.

 

No, but if you're a fucking saint in life, having saved several lives, I think you should definitely get away with smoking pot without risking jailtime.

 

You should not get away with rape/murder though under any circumstances.

 

Why the rape/murder to smoking weed comparison all the time? That's not even a truly comparable situation.

 

But that's not how it is or has been.

You are demanding a change to a (so far) successful format.

 

The current success of this game/site is debatable.

 

As has been stated perhaps Mentor's actions weren't nearly as far reaching as Steel Penn's but they obviously were used for his own gain, be it either through his company or manager account, and no matter how much you try to argue the opposite there's no solid way to know what negative and/or positive results came from those actions with regards to others. The one thing we know for sure is that HE gained from them.

 

I'm not saying he should be ousted from the game but at the very least there should be the immediate deletion of any of his multi's, perhaps some sort of Tycoon money fine, a hype hit to his org, or even put GAMMA on the general market.

 

Something that Mike takes fairly consistant critique for is the lack of consistancy in the game, either meaning updates, or punishment for these sort of issues. Well here's a good chance to start establishing some imo.

[Grasman]

 

I understand your arguments. Thing is, if you read dinooo's TWW news, you will understand better. I wasn't in chat either, but I saw the conversations.

I'm just entering this conversation in this thread and that's all the info I've based my arguments on.

Abuse should be dealt with and abuse has historically been dealt with.

 

We can disagree on what constitutes as "minor or major", but the punishment should never exceed the crime.

[nandorossi]

Grassman, I've been around for a while, paid my dues in VIP. Would it be alright for me to get couple extra accounts?

he said it a bunch. If your extra accounts do not interact I would guess you could have as many as you wanted as long as you only get some benifits but not all of them that are available.

[Erik]

And CGrace deep sixes the entire thread with a wall of text so long it might get confused with the great wall of China.

[GBK16]

 

tEh, no, I actually said that abuse is punished and has been punished, non abuse hasn't been punished.

That's a fact.

I said that having a multi should be punished regardless of their purpose. You disagree, so according to you, I can have as many multi's as I want as long as they don't interact?

At what point did i accuse you of braking the law?

How about here: "True, but you can't be insulted over minor in game cheating when you cheat similarly in life." Excuse me, but I don't cheat in life, so I can be insulted over in game cheating thank you very much. You are basically licking mentor's ass here, he has been caught for breaking a rule, in which a precedent has been set. So he should face the same punishment as those set in the precedent. If he wants to get back to where he is now eventually, he can do what dinooo listed that Steel Penn did to get back to the stage he is in now.