dbsh209 Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 How is this manager ranking system fixed? You get awarded for not fighting, you barely get awarded by winning and you get thrown back a lot if you lose a fight. Case in point: http://i.imgur.com/fQkPY7P.png Position before DeAngelo Kenner fight (high p4p high hype) - 390 / after it: 360After Christopher Newton fight (1400 p4p med hype) - 360 / 340After Rocco Newton fight (debuting QFC) - 340 / 330After Huell Babineaux loss (med p4p med hype) - 330 / 390After Marvin Hagler win (low p4p low hype) - 390 / 370After Alexander Fors win (low p4p low hype) - 370 / 350After Rocco Newton loss (low p4p low hype) - 350 / 411 I don't see how this work, and I would like an explanation. Is the only way to advance up the rankings to never lose, no matter how small those fights are? So technically, I'm down approx. 20 places for winning 5 fights (including 2 high hyped) and losing 2 fights (including 1 QFC fight). Doesn't make sense. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniConor Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 I didnt fight for ages, nearly got into the 100's, lost three in a row and dropped to nearly 400.I went from 200 to nearly 100's from not fighting, when I lost I dropped to 200 again, then more and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Go inactive and become the worlds best manager, and get Hall of Fame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 It's way better than it was before, but still has some flaws. My suggestions: -Eliminate QFC from influencing manager rankings -lessen hype loss from low level fighter losses -increase hype loss due to manager inactivity (dinooo hasnt fought in a month and he is still #2) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp61503 Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 It's way better than it was before, but still has some flaws. My suggestions: -Eliminate QFC from influencing manager rankings -lessen hype loss from low level fighter losses -increase hype loss due to manager inactivity (dinooo hasnt fought in a month and he is still #2) This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Thanks for the balanced post JLP. However, not including QFCs would be very problematic, especially for new managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Thanks for the balanced post JLP. However, not including QFCs would be very problematic, especially for new managers. I dont think it would make too much of a difference. New managers are mostly losing those fights anyway unless they get matched with another new manager. I think QFC's should generate fighter hype but have no effect on manager hype. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 The big thing is QFCs are usually dominated by people testing their fighters, we cant really test for hiddens in QFC anymore because it kills your rank, unless of course you dont care about your rank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I think a cap should be put in place to prevent people from reaching the top 10 managers list if the only fights they've had are low hyped fighters. In my opinion there's no way you can rightfully claim you're one of the top 10 managers in MMA Tycoon by all of your fighters fighting in low hype fights. Certain things should boost your ranking, like how many fighters have titles in your roster (if they're highly hyped that should affect your rank more), what you're current winning/ losing streak is (if you have a high winning streak, maybe have it act like a slight bonus on how much hype points you get), etc I'm sure there's other things out there that could be included but that's all I can think of at this time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 QFC should not affect hype level if you are above rank 100. does that sound better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skull Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 god forbid you lose to a lesser ranked manager even if their fighter is better, makes you shoot back down the rankings. Then to make it even better it takes 20 wins over that same manager (or one of similar rank) to get back to where you were in the rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 It's way better than it was before, but still has some flaws. My suggestions: -Eliminate QFC from influencing manager rankings -lessen hype loss from low level fighter losses -increase hype loss due to manager inactivity (dinooo hasnt fought in a month and he is still #2) - I agree with most of the above. I am not sure about the QFC not influencing, maybe just decrease the value by 50%. - I also think wins in your own org should give you some penalty similar to the QFC. I see some managers just fight in their own org and have respectable rankings. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I haven't fought in my Org in a long time,but today I will be taking a loss because of mere luck,rolled bad hiddens in a creation tournament. I will see how far I fall after a 20 fight win streak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potter09 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I feel what ever mike does to with the rankings some 1 will have a problem. They are a lot better than before. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I feel what ever mike does to with the rankings some 1 will have a problem. They are a lot better than before. They are a lot better, but still not perfect. I was ~700th before the update and I'm around 200th right now. Managed to hit #138 with 7 fight win streak, but then lost some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsh209 Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I feel what ever mike does to with the rankings some 1 will have a problem. They are a lot better than before. How are they better? Explain to me why I lost that many spots by winning fights? Why does my QFC loss is worse than a high hyped fight? Don't give copout answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbob Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I read somewhere from mike, that it will get a bit worse for the Higher Ranked Managers, because they will loose more hype to bring everybody down to an even level. So the Ranking System isnt settled i guess. But mike explained it much better then i did right now. So maybe he will write something to help us understand more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegroovemonkey Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 How are they better? Explain to me why I lost that many spots by winning fights? Why does my QFC loss is worse than a high hyped fight? Don't give copout answers. because people wanted low hype fights to be worth more than high hyped fights in terms of losses. This is exactly what people asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 It just doesnt make any sense to put that much weight in to low hype fights. Imagine you manage a RL UFC champ. As long as he wins his fights, would anyone think you as a lesser manager just because 5 or 10 of the other guys in your roster lose their fights in hillbilly bar fights? I think the hypesystem should focus on the highlevel fights and just have such low focus on low hype fights, that reaching the top would be impossible unless you get your fighters in to the top orgs, and fight high hyped fighters. Winning or losing low hyped fights should mostly have an effect on the fighter involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I used to complain about how much hype you lost for losing high hype fights. Mike has seemingly corrected that. I don't know why low hyped fights were changed to make them have a big negative impact if you lost them though. No one asked for that but it's what we have now. It will be interesting to see how this change effects the island. Had I thought about this in regards to that, I probably wouldn't have bothered to participate in it this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtieBanks Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 It's way better than it was before, but still has some flaws. My suggestions: -Eliminate QFC from influencing manager rankings -lessen hype loss from low level fighter losses -increase hype loss due to manager inactivity (dinooo hasnt fought in a month and he is still #2) Was wondering when someone would notice that... It was a show that not actually taking fights seems to be the way to get a high ranking. I don't plan on fighting again as most of you guys know and since its now became a valid point they are only one thing left to do. Mike feel free to nerf my manager hype. If you argue that the top 10 look better than before, damn something is wrong. Barn deserves #1 no doubt he has had some great streaks. If you try to say that me, Stuart, Anthony (who btw has taken less fights than me in the past 2 months surprised you didn't mention him), Scoobie is basically doing what Power and Johnny Sorrow did, its not his fault its just winning shitty low ranking fights should give fuck all hype gain at the top levels. After that Jorma, Bowser etc deserve to be 2 and 3 instead of the guys above including myself. The manager ranking changes hasn't fixed what was wrong with the manager rankings i think that is quite clear 3/4 months in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CusDamato Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Couldn't the manager ranking system just have a little tweak so that if you don't fight in say 2 weeks you lose a bunch of spots then a few spots for ever day/week/month/hour whatever after that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Usually the low hyped fights are the hardest to win, fighters aren't triple elite black belts with low hype. But that doesn't justify them waking more on rankings. I will be interested to see if what madbob says is happening or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I suppose this is a side effect of trying to correct the rankings. I wonder what will get fucked up next when Mike does decide to fix the low hype fights problem... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtieBanks Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Couldn't the manager ranking system just have a little tweak so that if you don't fight in say 2 weeks you lose a bunch of spots then a few spots for ever day/week/month/hour whatever after that? The Joel Nicola thing should come into effect which Mike done a few years ago. The problem is you lose so much more hype than you gain winning fights big or small, so basically not fighting for months you lose less hype than if you did fight. - Joel Nicola act implemented. Manager hype will decrease due to fight inactivity, not just if people stop logging in. As far as low ranking fights go, Mike could bottle neck the hype gained like he does with ticket sales so say the bottle neck starts around half hype for low hype fights (anything under 150/200 hype) doesn't affect your manager ranking if you win. Anything over that you gain manager hype normally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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