Skenoj Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/07/ufc-commentators-fighters-call-out-referee-herb-dean-for-not-stopping-fights-soon-enough i think it was 10/10 stoppage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Then they bitch it was too soon ----- refs really can't win either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Renan Barao vs. Urijah Faber – UFC 169Chas Skelly vs. Maximo Blanco – UFC Fight Night 94Uriah Hall vs. Dont Remember the Fuck Face - UFC Fight Night 94Dustin Poirier vs. Eddie Alvarez – UFC 211Jim Miller vs. Guida - UFC on ESPN 5I DO see your point tho, PBR...[video=youtube,BaUGI-ZVH5I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaUGI-ZVH5I People say he wasnt completly out, still defending, still knee-shielding... Thus, good stoppage.Well, lets remember Anthony Smith never stopped "smart defending" himself. Doesnt make Herzog reffing atroucious. IMHO this defending was worse than Smith's. Trinaldo stood up there looking at the ref, guy could have tried to transition to a better guard (lace the leg and go for half guard, SLX, [reverse] De la Riva, knee ride, whatever), instead he keeps there with his guard passed, just extending his arm... He was still dazed, so thats all he could do In all honesty, I'd rather see people bitch about "Herb Dean causing a fighter to lose bonus of the night" than "Herb Dean caused brain damage". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damndaniel Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 I like Dan Hardy but thought he overreacted. Being a ref in a thankless job. I think he did alright. Maybe a little late but not the end of the world. Shit happens. We have seen way worse with less controversy about it. (weidman vs Munoz was a bad one back in the day and I dont remember anyone even botherd about it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFhuUbKMhk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 99% of the time I'm more bothered by an early stoppage than a late stoppage. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Exactly, wasnt THAT bad. I think maybe late, so I can understand the fuzz, but yeah there was worse...And the more heat they put on the Ref, the worse the reffing will be... Dana does a really shit job putting more oil on the fire instead of help shielding the refs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 99% of the time I'm more bothered by an early stoppage than a late stoppage. Wold you go back to this heel hook by Palhares? I fucking wouldnt lol Thats how I see (most) of early stoppages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 I dilsike early stoppages more than late ones. The refs are f....d if they do and f....d if they dont 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Fighters should just fill out a "Protect me, or let me fucking fight" card in advance. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 I like Dan Hardy but thought he overreacted. Being a ref in a thankless job. I think he did alright. Maybe a little late but not the end of the world. Shit happens. We have seen way worse with less controversy about it. (weidman vs Munoz was a bad one back in the day and I dont remember anyone even botherd about it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFhuUbKMhk Hardy is very close to Jai Herbert I think. His commentary during that fight was probably the most biased I have ever heard, it was a disgrace. His reaction with Herb was overstepping his place by a long way. AFter what I saw (and hardy's commentary in previous euro v US fights) Hardy should be booted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 If anything Herb is one of those that stops it too early. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Hardy is very close to Jai Herbert I think. His commentary during that fight was probably the most biased I have ever heard, it was a disgrace. His reaction with Herb was overstepping his place by a long way. AFter what I saw (and hardy's commentary in previous euro v US fights) Hardy should be bootedHave you ever heard mr. Francisco Santos Mir III commentate the fights of his favorite fighter, Miguel Torres? I thought it was a garbage stoppage and thought that Hardy reacted in a very understandable and human way. Herb Dean is insanely overrated as a ref, especially over the last 5 or so years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 if he stop the fights early .. then it's all on the referee as well. so ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Have you ever heard mr. Francisco Santos Mir III commentate the fights of his favorite fighter, Miguel Torres? I thought it was a garbage stoppage and thought that Hardy reacted in a very understandable and human way. Herb Dean is insanely overrated as a ref, especially over the last 5 or so years. did you listen to the commentary? My point is not that the stoppage wasnt late but Hardy's reaction was totally unprofessional and when you listen to the commentary it is obvious why. When watching before even getting to the ko we were all saying wtf is hardy herberts corner or something Late stoppage but not terrible, sure as shit if he jumped in earlier he would be getting roasted on social media just the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 did you listen to the commentary? My point is not that the stoppage wasnt late but Hardy's reaction was totally unprofessional and when you listen to the commentary it is obvious why. When watching before even getting to the ko we were all saying wtf is hardy herberts corner or something Late stoppage but not terrible, sure as shit if he jumped in earlier he would be getting roasted on social media just the same I listened to his commentary, yes. Imo MMA commentators in general are insanely biased. Hardy's commentary in this fight wasn't the worst I've heard. I guess I've just come to expect MMA commentary to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator001 Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 I listened to his commentary, yes. Imo MMA commentators in general are insanely biased. Hardy's commentary in this fight wasn't the worst I've heard. I guess I've just come to expect MMA commentary to suck. fair point mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 I listened to his commentary, yes. Imo MMA commentators in general are insanely biased. Hardy's commentary in this fight wasn't the worst I've heard. I guess I've just come to expect MMA commentary to suck. You have yet to watch Brazil hosts' commentary. Its SO bad I actually think Hardy does a great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannetosen Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 You have yet to watch Brazil hosts' commentary. Its SO bad I actually think Hardy does a great job. Whenever I watch the UFC with Norwegian commentary I almost always lose my shit, so I can imagine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Long live the old Bas and Mauro combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornmma1 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 The referee has a job not many of us can envy. If he stops it too early => shit refereeIf he stops it too late => shit referee If he stops it on time => subjective and always going to be people yelling that it was a bullshit stoppage For this particilar fight, I personally found Hardy his reaction a disgrace and the UFC should really have a talk to him about it. It is easy for him to judge the referee from the sidelines, and even easier to call bullshit afterwards. He could just have talked to Herb after the fight backstage and voice his opinion like an adult. Perhaps it is time for Hardy to realise that he is not the referee and he thinks that he could do better, let him learn the ropes and give it a go. Honestly, Hardy lost more face value than Herb in this situation and rightfully so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goosu Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 Herb doesn't stop fights early, he has recently watched over some huge beatdowns. In my opinion, I'd rather see a fight stopped early than late. The fighter stopped early can have a rematch or recover his career. Fight stopped late might change a fighter for the worse. I personally think Weidman was never the same after the Rockhold fight where Herb let him be a warrior. His reactions to strikes and ability to take them look worse than they did pre-Rockhold. Dan Hardy did go over the line, but lets not act like Herb is this super nice guy with no ego. He has never admitted he stopped a fight late, and continued to justify his stoppage here, which I think was pretty terrible. If a fighter can hover over the other for 5 seconds waiting for your hesitant decision and the opponent does nothing to improve their position, it is a bad non-stoppage. His reaction looks more like fencing than any "intelligent defense", especially since even after hesitating for 5 seconds Trinaldo finished him the second he started punching again. Every ref I've seen has said it was on the late side including Yamasaki lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpierrecanada Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 You guys see that dude get disqualified for pushing the ref after winning the fight by choke and not releasing the hold in Abu Dubai? https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/7/31/21349821/video-fighter-tries-test-referee-marc-goddard-gets-dq-uae-warriors-ahmad-al-darmaki-mma-news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 You guys see that dude get disqualified for pushing the ref after winning the fight by choke and not releasing the hold in Abu Dubai? https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/7/31/21349821/video-fighter-tries-test-referee-marc-goddard-gets-dq-uae-warriors-ahmad-al-darmaki-mma-news Yeah. Not as bad as Rousimar Palhares, but still dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted August 1, 2020 Report Share Posted August 1, 2020 Herb doesn't stop fights early, he has recently watched over some huge beatdowns. In my opinion, I'd rather see a fight stopped early than late. The fighter stopped early can have a rematch or recover his career. Fight stopped late might change a fighter for the worse. I personally think Weidman was never the same after the Rockhold fight where Herb let him be a warrior. His reactions to strikes and ability to take them look worse than they did pre-Rockhold. disagree with Weidman not being the same after the beat down. Weidman just wasn't as good as he thought. He bought into his own hype machine imo. He never had elite striking, he beat an old aging and well protected Anderson Silva. Weidman was always gonna be vulnerable if he thought he was a kick boxer after the Silva fight without vastly stepping up their game, and usually you dont see fighters evolve after becoming champ. some do but most, at best they maintain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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