Election Bet?

[gwad12345]

Will you reimburse them within the next 70 days if the results get reversed?

 

they're trying to beat him into submission via fakenewsmafia. hopefully the process plays out and he doesn't quit because he's rich and doesn't need to deal with the BS.

 

 

[popart]

The media is doing a really good job hiding the fact that Kanye West won.

[actionjackson]

The media is doing a really good job hiding the fact that Kanye West won.

 

Kanye was robbed! Clearly the most talented artistically and the second most qualified politically!

[ArtieBanks]

https://sci-hub.do/10.1023/a:1009031211900

 

If you are really interested in this kind of discussion. Most of what is addressed in this thread is 20 yo debate under 6 feet of dirt.

 

If anyone has anything to say that is true and contradicts worldwide scientific consensus (which a really quick cochrane meta-analysis research and reading can provide), please, RETTY please, open your excel, treat your data and publish.

 

Its Lancet/JAMA/Nature material.

 

As much as I have read numerous psychological and psychiatric journals on the abuse of 'focus' drugs, they often do not have accurate meta-data especially when it comes to the non-medical usage of the drugs. The journal you suggested hits at why I generally skip over a lot of American journals on this subject. This journal says completely skips over the addictive nature of the drug in the 'drug safety and abuse potential'. I mean Addy is just a different chemical compound using similar components as Speed. I mean prior to addy etc hitting the market Benzedrine (which was basically just Speed) was used until they found out how fucked up it was to give children and adults being heavily addicted to it. It got re-packaged and thumped out in 'safer' compounds but it is still at its most basic level, Speed.

 

It is similar to the Morphine/Heroin to Oxy and Vicodin transition. You dilute the mixture to the point where it is considered 'safe'. Big pharma have been doing that since their inception. While there are legitimate usage for them, here in the UK it is difficult to ever be prescribed them. More often than not the prescriptions are for slow releasing morphine drugs such as MST and only after every other available alternative has been exhausted. In the US, from what I have read a lot of people were put on Oxy almost instantly for pain relief after an extensive campaign by Purdue (AM J Public Health, 2009 99(2): 221-227 if you want the reference).

 

Now we already know the problems that America face with Amphetamine addiction in its various forms. The most common problem with Addy is once you are put on it, it is very difficult to come off via the usual methods such as tapering. A lot of kids that were prescribed it in the 00's are still reliant on it to function normally. The more we learn about the drug, the more our healthcare professionals are hesitant to put children on the drug. Talking with some doctors about it in the past they say it isn't common for them to prescribe medicine for ADHD, but rather most schools are now equipped with staff members etc who work with these children. I'd honestly have to look at some of the UK journals to get the results (I am not in Uni anymore so its a pain in the ass to get into the medical journal archives due to the paywall).

 

My opinion on it still stands though. It is an fundamental healthcare flaw to have a system in which drugs as sold to patients. While the UK, more so Scotland has its issues with drug addicts, the majority of these addictions aren't from prescribed medicines. It is more socio-economic factors in play along with shitty parenting. The best example I can give is we have a number of heroin addicts in Scotland, but the drug is not taking as a substitute for a painkiller, it is taken at first as recreational drug before the 'chasing the dragon' and addiction happens.

[barney]

Only chosen that article because simple language for any brain dead.

Its not even considered high level evidence, its "expert opinion/non-systematic review" - the lowest kind of scientific evidence you can get.

 

AMURICA war on opioids are causing a humanitarian crisis on pain management and palliative care.

World aint AMURICA.

Those fat fucktards have self control issues and low frustration threshold and binge anything you put in front of them. Games, porn, painkillers, McDees, Tacobell, legit drugs, etc...

Japan has a habit of using antibiotics on common handwashing soap, increasing the already troblesome multi resistant bacteria issue. No one says "giving kids antibiotics fucks is evil".

And yes, the "Big Pharm" is a thing. You get hypertension guidelines, first 3 pages are ads from the Big P. I myself advocate against the VitD+calcium lobby, amongst others. And I am a "slow medicine, we need to start thinking on DE-prescription and quaternary prevention" kind of general practitioner. Yet, you still gotta be cautious tho, cause most of bogus pseudoscience social media bullcrap you get feed out there is a scarecrow fallacy derived from some truth - and these arguments are a fertile soil.

 

TLDR; "Addy" and Ritalin have a really low risk profile compared to letting the disease follow its natural course, even tho treatment should be based on combined therapy and Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy should be the main pillar, drugs are still gold standard at initiating treatment and then on and off, according to ADHD flares. This brings HUGE relief to these patients and it also probably decreases social burden of school dropout/teenage drug abuse (still need follow up studies to confirm this tho, so take it with a grain of salt if you will)

[ArtieBanks]

Your TLDR hits the nail on the head on it. The problem for me has always been that a lot of these drugs put a 'plaster' over something that needs to be treated progressively with non-pharmaceutical therapies such as you mentioned CBT or other related therapies. There are certain conditions such as Bi-Polar or Schizophrenia which require full time medication but ADHD and anxiety etc all have a proven track record of being able to managed using coping techniques. That isn't to say that when it flares up badly that these drugs aren't helpful, on the contrary they very much are but only for a short period of time as long term exposure to them can mean an addiction occurs.

 

The biggest concern for me that these drugs can end up causing issues worse than the original problem. I don't buy into the pseudoscience social media shite, I actively thump my keyboard whenever I see some new shite about how vaccines harms kids etc. It is the addiction studies and stories you hear about that get to me (these stories are from bonafide addicts who have worked to get themselves off drugs). I only recently got focused on it due to following the Purdue lawsuit but I have friends and family who work in the healthcare profession who have harped on for years about the harm of some of these prescription drugs when taken long term when other treatments could be used. I mean if you are a GP, then you know yourself that GP's differ in quality and standard inside a single practice never mind the country as a whole. My GP thankfully is one of the good ones but I have a family member who worked as a CPN and wanted to throw a brick at half of the GPs for their treatments and referrals.

 

The reason for focusing on America is their medical system is so flawed it allowed this shit to happen in the first place. I understand America ain't the world, thankfully Europe for example for the most part has their shit together when it comes to healthcare.

[barney]

This article has an easy reading approach to what I preach: neither both sides of the extreme, but a cautious in between POV.

 

Just throw the link here and it will translate to english.

[Rambo]

I don't think putting bipolar kids on medication is always the best idea.

 

There's ways to manage the highs and lows. Manic and mania. Especially when you're older and can identify it. Ride the mania into the fuckin wind imo and combat the manic depressive episodes with exercise and healthy routine.

 

 

 

I also think issue is "Bipolar" and "ADHD" in America is every single kid who has ever thrown a tantrum or got too hyper, so could be why I don't think drugs are necessary. I think when you tell somebody, "You have a crutch and that's why you act this way" you're almost giving them an outlet to behave that way and misdirect the blame to something they "can't control".

[kenlow73]

I bet you all that nobody actually finds out who wins until December 14.

[barney]

I don't think putting bipolar kids on medication is always the best idea.

 

There's ways to manage the highs and lows. Manic and mania. Especially when you're older and can identify it. Ride the mania into the fuckin wind imo and combat the manic depressive episodes with exercise and healthy routine.

 

 

 

I also think issue is "Bipolar" and "ADHD" in America is every single kid who has ever thrown a tantrum or got too hyper, so could be why I don't think drugs are necessary. I think when you tell somebody, "You have a crutch and that's why you act this way" you're almost giving them an outlet to behave that way and misdirect the blame to something they "can't control".

Problem is what you think is misinformed. Science based medicine doesnt follow what "someone thinks", even tho that someone could be a nobel prize.

 

" I think" is a D grade scientific evidence, which almost means "not an evidence", DOESN'T MATTER who thinks it.

 

There are more than 40 kinds of bypolar disorders. Some kind have a benign evolution, some have a fast and kinda of neurodegerative behaviour, with some models tying them with schizo. The last kind requires aggressive and early treatment, probably perene medication.

 

Let medicine decision making for those who study medicine.

 

And on ADHD, cocaine use disorder (CUD) prevalence is about 2~4% on general population, but around 24% on ADHD population. Treating CUD with Ritalin or Adderal in adults is shown to highly decrease CUD. It is propposed (but not shown yet) that early proper treatment of ADHD should prevent teenagers introducing into CUD and other drugs, also droping out of school/bad school performance.

 

ADHD is not just "being Hyper" or "being tilty". It brings a brig broad of comorbities and it has a major impact on life quality.

[gwad12345]

I bet you all that nobody actually finds out who wins until December 14.

 

We already know who won. We've moved on to more important topics, like the efficacy of prescribing ADHD medication.

[barney]

 

We already know who won. We've moved on to more important topics, like the efficacy of prescribing ADHD medication.

Kayne West won. Elections are rigged

[Rambo]

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/10/richard-hopkins-pennsylvania-postal-worker-recants/

 

don't believe fake news headlines. They're so full of shit it's not even funny. Free media my ass.

 

 

btw putting children on adderall cuz it reduces their chance of cocaine addiction might be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read.

[barney]

I guess you dont read your own posts

 

[Rambo]

Male nurses from 3rd world countries are about as efficient at medical studies as PA and GA are at counting votes.

[barney]

"Earth is round"
Flat earth believer: Dis is DUMBEST thing I've ever heard!

There is not even a point in arguing with an uneducated redneck dropout about it.

[Rambo]

"give children Adderall to stop cocaine abuse!" - retards

 

It must be tough being intellectually inferior to a Pro-American Trumper. Common sense always prevails

 

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/crime-of-organ-harvesting-in-china-not-receiving-attention-it-should-expert-says_3466310.html

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-organ-harvesting-in-china

 

Organ harvesting in China... yet this country, they would never release a china flu to cause a pandemic lol...

[Rambo]

Stage 1: there's no evidence of election fraud.

Stage 2: there's no significant evidence of election fraud.

Stage 3: the evidence of election fraud was fabricated by Russia.

Stage 4: the election fraud was justified to overthrow the orange bad man.

Stage 5: Trump stole the election.

 

Stage 5 last another 4 years...

Lamestream media = if you don't accept these results you're a bad and evil person.

Why are they so opposed to the legal process and fast forwarding the results? 1+1=2

if yall can't do the math, bad with patterns. FBI and CIA = silence. There's a reason those betting sites are not paying people yet. And look into the software programs in over 30+ states...

[barney]

btw putting children on adderall cuz it reduces their chance of cocaine addiction might be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read.

 

 

Male nurses from 3rd world countries are about as efficient at medical studies as PA and GA are at counting votes.

 

 

"give children Adderall to stop cocaine abuse!" - retards

 

It must be tough being intellectually inferior to a Pro-American Trumper. Common sense always prevails

 

 

 

[gwad12345]

Stage 1: there's no evidence of election fraud.

 

Stage 2: there's no significant evidence of election fraud.

 

Stage 3: the evidence of election fraud was fabricated by Russia.

 

Stage 4: the election fraud was justified to overthrow the orange bad man.

 

Stage 5: Trump stole the election.

 

Stage 5 last another 4 years...

 

Lamestream media = if you don't accept these results you're a bad and evil person.

 

Why are they so opposed to the legal process and fast forwarding the results? 1+1=2

 

if yall can't do the math, bad with patterns. FBI and CIA = silence. There's a reason those betting sites are not paying people yet. And look into the software programs in over 30+ states...

 

 

Truly the thread that keeps on giving.

The reason the betting markets haven't closed is because there are millions of people in this country who think like this. Betting sites make bank, sane human beings make bank. It's the greatest redistribution of wealth from idiots to smart people in the history of gambling. Imagine this, you can bet and win real money on an event that has already happened.

 

If I didn't have some experience in this I wouldn't have believed it. If anyone sane out there is interested in making the easiest money in their life pm me and I will let you know more. You too can collect your MAGA tax.

 

FBI and CIA = silence.

 

Quoting this part again to underline the kind of people I'm talking about taking money from - people who know absolutely nothing about how politics or government works. On further reflection maybe it isn't too shocking there are ways to pickpocket these chumps.

[Rambo]

What we learned from this thread:

 

- GWad works for the Lefties

- Barney works for Big Pharma

- PBR and Joe River are Pro-America

[kenlow73]

 

We already know who won. We've moved on to more important topics, like the efficacy of prescribing ADHD medication.

How do you know who won if you are only given projections given by the media? Nobody actually has any electoral college votes until December 14. This message has been brought to you by Tropical Storm Eta...Eta Dick.

[Rambo]

How do you know who won if you are only given projections given by the media? Nobody actually has any electoral college votes until December 14.

Because the lefties are saying he won. Don't you watch the news? News never lies, has no political agendas, or ever spreads misleading disinformation.

[gwad12345]

How do you know who won if you are only given projections given by the media? Nobody actually has any electoral college votes until December 14. This message has been brought to you by Tropical Storm Eta...Eta Dick.

 

I knew who the winner was within 95% certainty last Wednesday and 99% by last Thursday. The media were days behind.

 

But please tell me more about what you learned in 9th grade civics class.

[kenlow73]

 

I knew who the winner was within 95% certainty last Wednesday and 99% by last Thursday. The media were days behind.

 

But please tell me more about what you learned in 9th grade civics class.

First of all, I didn’t take Civics until 11th grade. Second, I don’t remember any of it. Third, I learned what I know by learning to think for myself, not what the system and the media tells me to.