Guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Create fighters, run companies, train at your local gyms, join alliances, work your way to global domination both in the ring and in the business world to become the Ultimate Mixed Martial Arts Tycoon! ^ may need to be edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I totally agreed with this in chat. Thank you for posting it. NSN's Recovery 159+ is already sold out. Not liking these changes. http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6889 Stuff like that is why NSN and MMA's Best have a virtual monopoly on the supplement market. We KNOW they aren't full of shit. If you're going to cap supplement companies in order to force them to grow, then quality needs to be on display. Otherwise, why should we trust them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santa Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Well there are people out there testing supps, arent they. This time, maybe support them and tell them what to do. You can have the results in like 1 week. See a newbie. Offer his fighter a 20k and let him use 2 fighter slots with 50 condition each to test the recover supps out there. Not really cloning technology testing you need to do there..... Or like I said before. Sponsor a friend with a nutrition company, and we will have a second 159 shop in 2, 3 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollins Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I totally agreed with this in chat. Thank you for posting it. NSN's Recovery 159+ is already sold out. Not liking these changes. http://www.mmatycoon.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6889 Stuff like that is why NSN and MMA's Best have a virtual monopoly on the supplement market. We KNOW they aren't full of shit. If you're going to cap supplement companies in order to force them to grow, then quality needs to be on display. Otherwise, why should we trust them? Not yet my friend they were just off the market for a short period. Recovery159 is available as of this post. my take is when the dust settles the new companies that get started in a couple of months will really have no chance of getting off the ground when everyone has 159's and sell them for $10. On a lighter note, one day, I'll be able to tell people I was actually a real MMA TYCOON long long ago, which in time will become an impossibility for anyone. What do they call it when everyone gets the same stuff? Never going without but getting just what they need? Yep, that's where this is all heading, Mike is a fine fellow and is trying to do what he thinks is best, well intentioned and knows %10000000 more than me about this game but I believe the word Tycoon will soon mean nothing unless there's many more ideas to come to keep this from just being something other than a real MMA TYCOON game as it was originally billed. I don't give a flying rats ass about NSN when it comes to the game,hell, i've even offered to close NSN in the past to band aid the problem to keep smaller business's from suffering, I'd just hate to see the game suffer. I hope I'm totally wrong in my assumptions for the sake of a cool game I started playing some time back and wonder what pitfalls (longterm) the future holds for the business aspect of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintchicken Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 like rollins said, this is mike's game and he knows more about it than i do, but all of these rules and caps seem to be making the prospect of running a clothing or nutrition company or a gym simply a "paint by numbers" endeavor. where is the fun or creativity in having a set limit on pretty much everything you can do? i think if the problem is smaller nutrition companies not getting enough business b/c of companies like NSN, a much more enjoyable soultion would be to let NSN (and other large supp comps) charge $1000 (or more, whatever number is chosen would be fine so long as it's big) for a bottle of supps. that way, only rich managers could afford it and smaller supp comps would get more business by default. you won't see me driving around in a mercedes b/c i can't afford it. i drive a honda. it's the same principle. this would also create the much needed "money sink." there should be no caps for any of the comps, even gyms. eventually, all gyms are going to have 12 coaches and charge $600 a week. that's boring. if we need a money sink, let gyms charge $5000 a week and have 200 coaches. these are arbitrary numbers of course, but the point being that caps only restrict enjoyment, creativity, ambition, etc. if gyms could charge that much only rich managers could afford it and newer gyms would get more members and eventually grow with the game and their members. i compare what is happening in this game to the public education system in america in that, in order to not hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone feel stupid, we have lowered the standards so much that now everyone suffers and truly gifted students don't get the education they deserve. i don't think we should bring the gifted down just b/c some people are always going to be less intelligent. the same applies to this game. let the big comps do their thing, the middle level guys have their place, and the worst comps can be where new players start from and work their way up. like i said before, this is mike's game and in no way am i trying to say i could run it better. these are just my thoughts on the issue and i hope they make sense and are helpful in the evolution of this wonderful game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 See a newbie. Offer his fighter a 20k...No more alcohol for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 No more alcohol for you. lol for real -- why not just simply ask for a free sample to test yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfred Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Create fighters, run companies, train at your local gyms, join alliances, work your way to global domination both in the ring and in the business world to become the Ultimate Mixed Martial Arts Tycoon! ^ may need to be edited You know I like to make a commemorative T-shirt for all major Tycoon occasions: http://www.mmatycoon.com/images/products/1257263081LimitedTee.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 DIDM pulls a 420 EVERY day. Haha.. that one cracked me up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 You know the game was only called MMA Tycoon because MMA Manager was already taken. People get way too obsessed with one word. People got obsessed with the word Beta(ish), so I took that down. Obviously I can't change the name of the site but that's the new fixation. There have always been limits within the game for every aspect. It's a game - games have rules and limits. Saying that these changes make anything paint by numbers is nonsense. It doesn't affect 99% of people and the ones that do get affected have an added aspect to think about / make decisions about. In the real world, you can't order/produce an infinite number of items to sell. You certainly can't just click upload and have that product created, manufactured and on sale. It's a game - some things are like real life, some aren't. Some bits have constraints on them, some don't. As it stands, you can turnover $750,000 a month with the current stock orders - I'm pretty sure that's enough. Anyway, I don't massively care either way whether there is a clothing cap. If it stops people complaining I'll probably just remove the cap because as I've said many times before, it's draining getting up every day knowing that there will be a load of people telling you you're doing it all wrong. I think it adds to the game and makes in more interesting but not to the extent that it makes listening to complaining all day worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Another thing to consider, with regards to NSN/MMA's Best and the other big names in nutrition, they have already done the research for their ultra-high-end products. That research cost is what the nutrition companies need to make shed loads of money for, so those guys (especially NSN) really have no "need" to jack up their prices, except of course to just make more money! On the one hand, this change is good because limited supply from the big boys will make people buy supplements elsewhere, but it will also make it much more difficult for other nutrition companies without rich friends (E.G. those with successful fight orgs) to pump money into their businesses (by buying and discarding lesser products at over-inflated prices) to make the cash necessary to research really high-end stuff. I suppose, though, those without such friends are not doing that now anyway. In the grand scheme of things, I highly doubt that this change will result in better products being available locally in other cities - it will simply mean that those who are able to get the "good stuff" before it sells out will have a distinct training advantage over the rest of the fighters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintchicken Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Another thing to consider, with regards to NSN/MMA's Best and the other big names in nutrition, they have already done the research for their ultra-high-end products. That research cost is what the nutrition companies need to make shed loads of money for, so those guys (especially NSN) really have no "need" to jack up their prices, except of course to just make more money! On the one hand, this change is good because limited supply from the big boys will make people buy supplements elsewhere, but it will also make it much more difficult for other nutrition companies without rich friends (E.G. those with successful fight orgs) to pump money into their businesses (by buying and discarding lesser products at over-inflated prices) to make the cash necessary to research really high-end stuff. I suppose, though, those without such friends are not doing that now anyway. In the grand scheme of things, I highly doubt that this change will result in better products being available locally in other cities - it will simply mean that those who are able to get the "good stuff" before it sells out will have a distinct training advantage over the rest of the fighters... this is what i see happening. people are just going to buy in bulk from NSN and wait until they need more months later and keep doing the same thing. people that buy from the big supp comps are going to continue doing it, not start buying from smaller ones; it'll just be in large spurts, instead of as they need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I would not stop taking advanced nutrients and replace it with Flinstone vitamins, that is for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Is anybody else starting to feel like Ender Wiggan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollins Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 *Googles "Ender Wiggan" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 and Mike, if you really think I can make 750,000 a month on shirts, you are nutz. I have no items at 300, more like 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 and Mike, if you really think I can make 750,000 a month on shirts, you are nutz. I have no items at 300, more like 30 wow i just noticed that number --- lol --- hell i havent made that much total since playing the game much less a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 My next suggestions should ruffle some feathers. With all the new restrictions in place reset all the nutrition companies ratings of their products back say 30%. With everyone starting on a little more equal ground let the competition begin on researching and developing products. I think the first mistake was made with all due respect by Mike himself when he verified non stops product being over 150+ way back in the beginning. I dont remember what led him to do that but I believe that was the beginning of the non stop monopoly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Non stop is not really a monopoly In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it. NSN has always made sure to have their shelves stocked, and sold at a reasonable price. He has become a leader in the nutrition business, and a benchmark to build towards, but he has not tried to kill the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Non stop is not really a monopoly In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / μονος (alone or single) + polein / πωλειν (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it. NSN has always made sure to have their shelves stocked, and sold at a reasonable price. He has become a leader in the nutrition business, and a benchmark to build towards, but he has not tried to kill the competition. Your right monopoly was the wrong choice of words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 why should non-stop and others that have been at this game from the beginning and spent months and months building their companies be put back or penalized? thats totally wrong -- their can be competition if half the people here would advertise and push their products instead of just making a company and hoping it survives --- dont you think that non-stop, mma's best, white gorilla, BLITZKRIEG and others are doing good cause they work at it. thats what your suppose to do work work work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 why should non-stop and others that have been at this game from the beginning and spent months and months building their companies be put back or penalized? thats totally wrong -- their can be competition if half the people here would advertise and push their products instead of just making a company and hoping it survives --- dont you think that non-stop, mma's best, white gorilla, hilo's and others are doing good cause they work at it. thats what your suppose to do work work work Your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Your right. just to give you an idea what im talking about --- their are 95 supp companies in the game --- going through the supp company thread i came across 16 to 20 supp company advertisement threads and most are really really old --- same with clothing really i havent counted those but im sure its the same -- it takes work to be successful --- but it can be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 and Mike, if you really think I can make 750,000 a month on shirts, you are nutz. I have no items at 300, more like 30 wow i just noticed that number --- lol --- hell i havent made that much total since playing the game much less a month That's my point isn't it? I'm limiting orders/sales but I'm not limiting profit, at least not within the realms of anything you are likely to achieve. Other than Non-Stop, all this change does is make people mix up their sales strategies a bit... or actually in 99% of cases, it actually changes nothing at all. p.s. Rollins notified me that nutrition was set at a $250 limit - that's now up to $300. Also, a general point. When the game was being created, stuff like clothing/nutrition order prices, coach fees, nutrition research costs, what would work better with/without a cap... All that sort of thing had to just be a rought guess at what would balance well. All these sort of things were always going to need analysing and changing throughout the first couple of years that the game is in existance - it's impossible to get these things right first time without first seeing them in effect and that's why things are constantly changing and will continue to do so until it balances out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollins Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Sorry Mike, not to sound like I'm calling you out or trying to dog on you but what do you mean balance out? There is no balance what so ever in a capitalism...isn't this going to end up with everybody on the same level in due time? Free markets always balances it self out without socialist types of tactics. It's in a constant state of flux...that is balance in a free market) and that is where it was heading. Someone has to be on top though and someone has to be on the bottom....it HAS to be that way or in the end we all were the same clothes drive the same cars and really have no reason to try to be better than the next guys because the powers that be will make sure you're all equal. We spoke before about trying to help give the smaller companies a leg up and I am all for it but imo this is going to fail drastically in due time. Maybe I'm missing something and I'm not too bright but this economic socialist cap is not the answer. If you put a stop to this I'll close NSN today if it helps you borrow time to implement a viable alterative because I truly feel this will ruin the business aspect for the game in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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