MMA Tycoon GOAT?

[saklain]

Let's settle who is the MMA Tycoons GOAT? Fighter and Manager.

MMA TYCOON GOAT FIGHTER --- ???

MMA TYCOON GOAT MANAGER --- ???

[Skenoj]

on my way to get the second status

[popart]

Frito Lei. All other answers are false.

[Zello]

Me

[Mannetosen]

Lance Templeton for manager.

[Rambo]

The can only be one GOAT ?

 

Manager: White Jesus

Fighter: Bloodbath

[Alfred]

I think Luke Daigle is probably #1 mmatycoon goat manager. 

[Icon73]

1 hour ago, Alfred said:

I think Luke Daigle is probably #1 mmatycoon goat manager. 

this is the correct manager. Jigaro Kane is p4p #1 fighter.

[Rambo]

Jacky > Blake > Luke

[Icon73]

29 minutes ago, Rambo said:

Jacky > Blake > Luke

Luke was better than Jacky are you high?

[Icon73]

Next the guy is gonna say STP > Jigaro Kane

[Rambo]

With your curriculum it's quite possible STP > Jigoro is up for debate

 

 

Womba > Scooter Bennet > Jigoro

[ArtieBanks]

On 7/23/2021 at 8:53 PM, saklain said:

Let's settle who is the MMA Tycoons GOAT? Fighter and Manager.

MMA TYCOON GOAT FIGHTER --- ???

MMA TYCOON GOAT MANAGER --- ???

 

Jeremy Tonal 

Lance Templeton 

 

You can make the argument for Womba but Jeremy Tonal beat Womba with LT setting the sliders.  You could probably also argue Rinky Spider - a 48-8 record in the heavyweight division in the top ID org followed by the top org I don't think can be topped. 

[Icon73]

1 hour ago, ArtieBanks said:

 

Jeremy Tonal 

Lance Templeton 

 

You can make the argument for Womba but Jeremy Tonal beat Womba with LT setting the sliders.  You could probably also argue Rinky Spider - a 48-8 record in the heavyweight division in the top ID org followed by the top org I don't think can be topped. 

Kane beat Tonal in his prime and had a better run. This logic makes no sense.

 

Also Fidel Puno over Rinky. Kimbo Slice also over Rinky

[Icon73]

On 7/24/2021 at 12:43 PM, Rambo said:

With your curriculum it's quite possible STP > Jigoro is up for debate

 

 

Womba > Scooter Bennet > Jigoro

This make no sense. Kane's Resume is godly. STP had a fluff record.

[Rambo]

quiz

 

How many fighters have beaten not 1, not 2, but 3 p4p #1 fighters?

 

not including former #1's but fighters who were ranked #1 p4p at the time of being defeated.

[Icon73]

1 hour ago, Rambo said:

quiz

 

How many fighters have beaten not 1, not 2, but 3 p4p #1 fighters?

 

not including former #1's but fighters who were ranked #1 p4p at the time of being defeated.

Rick Robinson

Einer Lee (#2 p4p)

Milo Phillips (former #1 p4p)

Lee Villa

Jesus Gonzales (Former #1 p4p)

Muhammed Muhammed

Johnny Cage

Manu Okoro x2 (#2 p4p)

Jeremy Tonal (#1 p4p)

Taj Al Din (#1 p4p)

 

Godly Resume by Jigaro Kane.

[ArtieBanks]

17 hours ago, Icon73 said:

Kane beat Tonal in his prime and had a better run. This logic makes no sense.

 

Also Fidel Puno over Rinky. Kimbo Slice also over Rinky

 

Can't put Puno there unfortunately - not with three losses to one guy. Bubba would never win any GOAT contest but he would win the most entertaining fighter contest and it wouldn't be close. I'd take Rinky over Kimbo but looking at their records they are quite similar. I wasn't here for Kimbo. 

 

I'm guessing we skip the part where Tonal rag dolled Kane in under three minutes. Kane never got close to getting the trilogy with Tonal after it. Kane fought on for too long past his prime to be considered the GOAT. He is the Tycoon version of Dan Severn. The best in his time but fought on for far too long after it. Need to know when to fold them to get into the GOAT conversation unfortunately. From my understanding Kane was a product of Luke just being ahead of the game at the time with a private gym, sussed out the counter strat quicker than anyone else and he left shortly after it when everyone started catching up. 

 

Tonal on the other hand came back after a two year absence and beat the guy who was quickly getting into the GOAT conversation.

 

 

 

[Rambo]

3 hours ago, Icon73 said:

Rick Robinson

Einer Lee (#2 p4p)

Milo Phillips (former #1 p4p)

Lee Villa

Jesus Gonzales (Former #1 p4p)

Muhammed Muhammed

Johnny Cage

Manu Okoro x2 (#2 p4p)

Jeremy Tonal (#1 p4p)

Taj Al Din (#1 p4p)

 

Godly Resume by Jigaro Kane.

None of them were #1 p4p when Kane beat them, so this answer is wrong.

 

Kane was the GOAT in the same way that Matt Hughes, Bas Rutten, Shogun, or Chuck Liddell was the GOAT.

1 hour ago, ArtieBanks said:

 

Can't put Puno there unfortunately - not with three losses to one guy. Bubba would never win any GOAT contest but he would win the most entertaining fighter contest and it wouldn't be close. I'd take Rinky over Kimbo but looking at their records they are quite similar. I wasn't here for Kimbo. 

I'm guessing we skip the part where Tonal rag dolled Kane in under three minutes. Kane never got close to getting the trilogy with Tonal after it. Kane fought on for too long past his prime to be considered the GOAT. He is the Tycoon version of Dan Severn. The best in his time but fought on for far too long after it. Need to know when to fold them to get into the GOAT conversation unfortunately. From my understanding Kane was a product of Luke just being ahead of the game at the time with a private gym, sussed out the counter strat quicker than anyone else and he left shortly after it when everyone started catching up. 

Tonal on the other hand came back after a two year absence and beat the guy who was quickly getting into the GOAT conversation.

Truth about Kane having massive prime advantage over most and product of counter era.

As for Tonal, the GOAT doesn't end his career by tapping to strikes... Womba took his soul ?

Tonal by far was juiced to the gills, one of the greatest hiddens ever, probably on that wolf juice, even if he was farmed on a multi before Deamus scooped him up.

IMHO Womba > Tonal

in terms of careers.

Womba 34-3-1 streak vs better comp than Tonal. You really can't take portions of their careers where Tonal was superior. Tonal shining moment over Womba's career was LT smashing him in the 1st fight.

Womba beat better fighters (and managers ?) and fought in better orgs. Also did it with a GRAPPLER. Avenged the Tonal loss in the most humiliating way possible.. so that is almost null and void.

Tonal definitely had better hiddens though.

[Icon73]

20 minutes ago, Rambo said:

None of them were #1 p4p when Kane beat them, so this answer is wrong.

 

Kane was the GOAT in the same way that Matt Hughes, Bas Rutten, Shogun, or Chuck Liddell was the GOAT.

Truth about Kane having massive prime advantage over most and product of counter era.

As for Tonal, the GOAT doesn't end his career by tapping to strikes... Womba took his soul ?

Tonal by far was juiced to the gills, one of the greatest hiddens ever, probably on that wolf juice, even if he was farmed on a multi before Deamus scooped him up.

IMHO Womba > Tonal

in terms of careers.

Womba 34-3-1 streak vs better comp than Tonal. You really can't take portions of their careers where Tonal was superior. Tonal shining moment over Womba's career was LT smashing him in the 1st fight.

Womba beat better fighters (and managers ?) and fought in better orgs. Also did it with a GRAPPLER. Avenged the Tonal loss in the most humiliating way possible.. so that is almost null and void.

Tonal definitely had better hiddends though.

I know the correct answer was Kilo, oh and BTW Tonal and Taj al din were #1 ranked when he beat them no?

[Rambo]

22 minutes ago, Icon73 said:

I know the correct answer was Kilo, oh and BTW Tonal and Taj al din were #1 ranked when he beat them no?

Taj was 14-0 vs and 24 years old. Maybe top 100 p4p or top 10 w/c at the time.

 

Tonal was at least ranked in his w/c but only 25 y/o. looks like he was ranked higher than Kane. I don't think he was #1 though.

 

https://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=293816

[JLP]

1 hour ago, Rambo said:

Womba 34-3-1 streak vs better comp than Tonal. You really can't take portions of their careers where Tonal was superior. Tonal shining moment over Womba's career was LT smashing him in the 1st fight.

That's funny.  LT denied setting sliders for that fight when I brought it up postfight.  I remember advising Kelly not to take the fight for a few other reasons as well(Tonal hadnt fought in 2-3 engine changes iirc, questions about who was setting sliders), but she was having fun with Womba's run and it was a legendary fight.  The second fight was a much better representative of the fighters then the first. 

[Rambo]

2 hours ago, JLP said:

That's funny.  LT denied setting sliders for that fight when I brought it up postfight.  I remember advising Kelly not to take the fight for a few other reasons as well(Tonal hadnt fought in 2-3 engine changes iirc, questions about who was setting sliders), but she was having fun with Womba's run and it was a legendary fight.  The second fight was a much better representative of the fighters then the first. 

Tonal has way better hiddens than Womba. Tonal smashes Womba majority of the time head to head in their primes.

Tonal is the HIDDEN GOAT of the game, without a doubt. especially of fighters who've been to #1.

Tonal (37) vs Womba (35) when Tonal was passed his age drop off. Age drop off is often very telling to a fighter's decline.

 

Smokudju Womba - Hiddens Report.

Intelligence: 60/150.
Heart: 94/150.
Chin: 133/150.
Injury Proneness: 79/150.
Self Confidence: 143/150.
Cuts: 121/150.
Fast Learner: 139/150.
Natural KO: 135/150.
Average: 113.0/150. Rank: 3,186 out of 209,048 (top 2%)

Experience: 147/150.
Potential: 117/123. (Min 96).
Age Drop Off: 35 years.

 

Jeremy Tonal - Hiddens Report.

Intelligence: 101/150.
Heart: 145/150.
Chin: 139/150.
Injury Proneness: 15/150.
Self Confidence: 74/150.
Cuts: 131/150.
Fast Learner: 141/150.
Natural KO: 150/150.
Average: 112.0/150. Rank: 3,852 out of 209,048 (top 2%)

Experience: 147/150.
Potential: 116/123. (Min 96).
Age Drop Off: 33 years.

remember injury proneness is backwards...

So Tonal's average hidden score corrected is 127 (top 0%) and top 50 out of 209,048 fighters of all time.

He was obviously Mike or Wolf's favorite fighter.

 

but this isn't who was the better fighter (hands down Tonal) this is who had the better career and imo Womba easily gets the edge for a variety of reasons listed above.

[Rambo]

All the fighters above Tonal had higher injury proneness than 75. Most in the 100's or high 100's. If the score was corrected it would drag their average down by 10-20 pts. Few exceptions...

 

Martin St Louis injury proneness 85/150. Corrected score would be 65/150. He's ranked top 1200 all time and top 1%.

 

Latka Gravas has a true hidden value. Injury proneness is 75/150. He's ranked 2,591 all time and top 1%

 

Womba injury proneness 79/150. 71/150 isn't making much of a difference.

 

Ricky Rocker's 28/150 would be a 132/150 and push his average up to 125.25 making him a top 0% fighter. super impressive for a dude sith only 51/150 KO power.

 

1	Helix Cabrera	130.5	1	view
2	Remi Highjack	126.875	23	view
3	Patrick Bateman	125.625	11	view
4	Sergiy Sklyar	125.25	10	view
5	Kisuke Urahara	125.125	18	view
6	Afro Samurai	123.375	1	view
7	Kenta Kobashi	123.375	27	view
8	Pluto Palhares	122.75	2	view
9	Eli Huey	119.375	4730	view
10	Santiago Colon	118.75	1	view
11	Martin Saint Louis	117.5	6	view
12	Roberto Insigne	117.125	38	view
13	Phil Hellmuth Jr	117.125	11	view
14	Jeff Gower	117	2	view
15	Bomb Com	116.5	8	view
16	Simon Kanitz	116.375	111	view
17	Randolph Turpin	114.875	1	view
18	Dick Glover	114.25	4803	view
19	Latka Gravas	114	1	view
20	Viktor Tsoi	113.875	1	view
21	Pat McDermot	113.625	2	view
22	Smokudju Womba	113	1	view
23	Suuk Mah Dong	112.75	1592	view
24	Leonardo Ferreira	112.625	1	view
25	Colin Croft	112.625	3	view
26	Taj al Din	112.5	1	view
27	Sher Shah Suri	112.375	5392	view
28	Ricky Rocker	112.25	1	view
29	Jeremy Tonal	112	1	view
30	Vagner Love	112	2	view
31	Sam Hall	111.25	1	view
32	Bob Chong	110.75	35	view
33	Karim Bashorov	110.75	1	view
34	Brody Kavanagh	110.625	27	view
35	Puck Heidegger	109.5	453	view
36	Sinuhe Egyptian	109.125	1	view
37	Leonidas Katsaros	109.125	9	view
38	Seamus MacNamara	108.875	9	view
39	Trevor Reznick	108.75	7	view
40	Robbie Luatua	108.75	6	view
41	Devin Styles	108.375	1	view
42	Corbin Murphy	108.375	1	view
43	Sellus Gravius	108.25	3	view
44	Kajun Puno	108.25	1	view
45	Jafar Agrabah	108.125	2	view
46	James Proudstar	107.375	7	view
47	Raz Simone	106.875	2814	view
48	Hakuin Ekaku	106.5	2	view
49	Scotty Bennet	106.5	1	view
50	Chick Bowdrie	106.5	3	view
51	Malakai Semerkhet	106	30	view
52	Jos� Nabijos	105.875	17	view
53	Golden Glory	105.625	1	view
54	Jan Paulsen	105.5	5	view
55	Rinky Spider	105.5	1	view
56	Matt Murdock	105.125	2	view
57	Tiago Renato	104.625	2	view
58	Lance St Pierre	104.5	273	view
59	Ben Stone	104.375	21	view
60	Demitri Borschtanoff	104.375	49	view
61	Bowser Stormcrow	104.25	1	view
62	Carlos Centurion	104	24	view
63	Otso Jokinen	103.875	1	view
64	Christian Slaughter	103.5	5	view
65	Liam Donnelly	103.5	18	view
66	Ichiro Takahashi	103.375	38	view
67	Carl Creel	103.25	1	view
68	Alen Delic	103.125	3925	view
69	Chief Tappenahomma	102.625	1	view
70	Enzo Moretti	102.375	21	view
71	Aloha Hoi	101.375	1	view
72	Don Marciano	101.125	1	view
73	Musashi Kato	101.125	37	view
74	Sabotage Rex	101.125	94	view
75	Andrew West	100.625	1842	view
76	Kane Williams	100.375	3	view
77	Patrick McWhiskey	100.375	5	view
78	Chad Solis	99.375	3704	view
79	Jensen Saint	99.25	14	view
80	Lance Templeton	99.125	2	view
81	Dustin Douglas	99	1	view
82	Hector Camacho	99	5	view
83	Cee Digits	98.5	2	view
84	Andrei Kersikov	98.5	13	view
85	Tommy Grunge	98.5	69	view
86	Cole Slovak	98.25	3005	view
87	Leon Kaiser	97.875	22	view
88	Bobo Nielsen	97.75	2	view
89	Wilder Wein	97.5	1	view
90	Hiroshi Ekaku	97.375	43	view
91	LeRoy LeBlanc	97.25	8	view
92	Kabu Loso	97.25	4571	view
93	Fedor Jankovic	96.75	343	view
94	Badau Aguiar	96.75	4553	view
95	Manny Puno	96.375	5	view
96	Cristian Tavares	96.25	20	view
97	Barry Allen	96.25	3247	view
98	Dante Evangelisti	96.125	3	view
99	Ziggy Cliff	96.125	16	view
100	Abraham Donowitz	96	3	view
101	A J Hearts	95.875	3	view
102	Akoni Gray	95.875	1	view
103	Sunny Disposition	95.75	3	view
104	Dum Debble	95.75	32	view
105	Lester Cockenschtuff	95.125	7	view
106	Bubba KillsInWater	94.625	1	view
107	Tomas Marley	94.625	60	view
108	Rocco Marciano	94.625	38	view
109	Friedrich Alzheimer	94.5	1	view
110	Tor Nansen	94.375	1	view
111	Mikhail Zakarova	94	7	view
112	Russell Tyrone Jones	94	1	view
113	Hector Cabrera	93.375	4	view
114	Shogun Iron Tyson	93.25	7	view
115	Zai Druggs	93.125	94	view
116	Scooter Lebowski	93.125	2789	view
117	Benson Whyte	93	3	view
118	Tiyaro Feitsora	92.875	22	view
119	Amisviiksi Tolonen	92.875	96	view
120	Taz Rutten	92.75	85	view
121	Kyle Carlton	92.75	1	view
122	Stu Grimson	92.625	2	view
123	Manu Okoro	92.5	2	view
124	Merrimac Mjolnir	91.75	2	view
125	Kurt Angle	91.75	2476	view
126	Moses Diggs	91.625	2	view
127	Sameh Mahmoud	91.125	5	view
128	Pablo Mara�on	90.375	1	view
129	Outlaw Hardy	90.25	23	view
130	Chris Tycoon	90.25	2116	view
131	Kiro Kirov	89.625	1774	view
132	Lucien Lachance	89.5	78	view
133	Wesley Correira	88.625	1	view
134	Qing Kong	88.125	115	view
135	William Mackenzie King	87.75	6	view
136	Kazuka Fuujin	87.75	33	view
137	Jack Stone	87.75	44	view
138	Raphael Marciano	87.625	47	view
139	Lil Wayne	87.375	3	view
140	Jean Pierre Babin	87.25	49	view
141	Rolen Spliffs	87.125	18	view
142	Satoru Takada	87.125	838	view
143	Kenji Kato	87	117	view
144	Budo Rei	86.75	8	view
145	Tuomari Hurmio	86.375	1	view
146	Ernesto Oliveira	85.875	4	view
147	Jumo Sudo	85.625	191	view
148	Orlando Diggs	85.625	1	view
149	Allan Coyoca	85.5	164	view
150	Simon Williams	85.375	2	view
151	Leon Louis	85.25	165	view
152	Yance Sackett	84.75	6	view
153	Waru Kuzuri	84.375	2	view
154	Vinny Hopkins	84.375	9	view
155	Boreste Bardanos	84.25	4	view
156	Pablo Alvado	84	4	view
157	Humberto Cruz	83.875	79	view
158	Orlando Noriega	83.5	45	view
159	Donny Donowitz	83.5	1	view
160	Victor Creed	83.375	1	view
161	Danny Power	83.375	1	view
162	Nick Taylor	82.25	4719	view
163	Neo Kable	82.125	3	view
164	Slopey Smith	81.875	20	view
165	Neno Pejovsky	81.125	2	view
166	Gary Bitters	80.75	1438	view
167	Lucas LaVey	80.625	7	view
168	Maxim Dragunov	80.625	3	view
169	Kelemi Seia	80	2	view
170	Carter Potter	79.875	149	view
171	Blake Green	79.875	1	view
172	Ryo Narushima	79.375	1	view
173	Mauricio Sosa	78.625	36	view
174	Vince Crosby	78	4545	view
175	Sun Kato	76.875	93	view
176	Carollinus Satanae	76.5	7344	view
177	Tito Hopkins	76.125	4	view
178	Sonny Corleone	76	8	view
179	Shinichi Fuujin	72.875	19	view
180	Jigoro Kane	70.5	1	view
181	Samor Kanen	70.25	34	view
182	Ozzy McKane	70.25	15	view
183	Go Yamamoto	68.25	102	view
184	Forever War	65.875	9	view
185	Anders Garda	65.875	4630	view
186	Dirk Diggler	63.25	93	view
187	Christian Ayobi	57.25	3728	view

 

 

I have wins (and plenty of losses - looking at you womba ?) vs some of the top fighters ever...

Notable wins:

Afro Samurai

Santiago Colon

Martin Saint Louis

Viktor Tsoi

Smokudju Womba

Bomb Com

Randolph Turpin

Pat McDermot

Jafar Agrabah

Bowser Stormcrow

Robbie Luatua

Sher Shah Suri

Dustin Douglas

Kane Williams

LeRoy LeBlanc

AJ Hearts

Lil Wayne

Wesley Correira 

Rocket Rob Frankles

 

and that's just from the top of the list I've revealed. Beat up plenty of dudes on this list below these guys but for most part these the top ones from hidden stand point.

 

there can only be one ?

[Rocket]

19 minutes ago, Rambo said:

 

Rocket Rob Frankles

 

there can only be one ?

Rocket Bob the pagan party beast ?