MMATycoon Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Is it just me or does no sparring reduce GnP? Wrestling does by -3ish and BJJ freezes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Ah, that explains it. Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 What are the minimum skill levels you need to achieve before your gray bar turns into a green one that can decrease in skill? I have some older fighters that are wonderful in some secondary skills, but they still have grey bars... I'm not complaining since I don't have to worry about maintaining, but I'm just curious what the benchmarks are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 What are the minimum skill levels you need to achieve before your gray bar turns into a green one that can decrease in skill? I have some older fighters that are wonderful in some secondary skills, but they still have grey bars... I'm not complaining since I don't have to worry about maintaining, but I'm just curious what the benchmarks are? would say a overall total points -- i have the same several with wonderful or higher but its cause they lack so much in other areas -- from looks of it to me up to say around 2250 points not much maintaining if any -- over that to 2450 basic maintenance -- 2500 and over lot of maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrookins Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 so essentially when your primaries/secondaries/physicals get to about 80% complete you will need to manage your training sessions more carefully, but until then it's not as big of a deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted July 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 so essentially when your primaries/secondaries/physicals get to about 80% complete you will need to manage your training sessions more carefully, but until then it's not as big of a deal? Probably about 70% you have to start paying attention a bit more but yeah, that's the general gist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Why do all Skills seem to decrease at the same time, at the same speed? I worked hard on my projects and especially one is going to be decreasing in almost anything but boxing very soon. The Physicals are maybw 10% Red, but the Bar itself is like 50%empty on all of em. And, except boxing, all primaries and secondaries are close to being completely red. So, is he going to decrease soon and will weeks of Training be gone? If he really does decrease in all skills withing a few days, it will propably take me weeks, if not months to get any single skill back to where it was. Also, i seem to see no change when training CT. The Red disappears, but the Bar itself keeps lowering. So it seems that i dont have a chance to stop the decrease? And: In case of a decrease will it go from Strong++ to Strong+ or to Proficient? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Why do all Skills seem to decrease at the same time, at the same speed? I worked hard on my projects and especially one is going to be decreasing in almost anything but boxing very soon. The Physicals are maybw 10% Red, but the Bar itself is like 50%empty on all of em. And, except boxing, all primaries and secondaries are close to being completely red. So, is he going to decrease soon and will weeks of Training be gone? If he really does decrease in all skills withing a few days, it will propably take me weeks, if not months to get any single skill back to where it was. Also, i seem to see no change when training CT. The Red disappears, but the Bar itself keeps lowering. So it seems that i dont have a chance to stop the decrease? And: In case of a decrease will it go from Strong++ to Strong+ or to Proficient? Mike has previously said you will lose 0.25 points per session that you are in the red so for anything other than a mini pop will take quite a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 since this is a general discussion area on training changes: i just checked for pops. as of late, they have been happening less and less frequently. i figured it was due to the fact that a lot of my fighters are older and very high skilled...learning has slowed and all that. also, i had quit using the skill snapshot page cuz the GM script doesn't work on my browser anymore...had to go old school loool. so as i opened my TA this morning and just now, i noticed the onslaught of pops!... ...then something weird happened. i felt like i did back when i was in public gyms, grinding away in classes that were like 5's and 6's...workin' for a damn pop in ANYTHING. i hadn't felt that in a long time...that excitement lol. fukn weird, but i feel that pops were almost expected or at least, taken for granted. i used to open the TA like "ok, what else popped today?" like it was no big deal. the more i think about it and the more i adapt to these changes, the more excited i get. why? maybe becuz, for the first time in a long time (within the game, mind you), i have to use my brain and don't just automatically get what i want. lool. it's actually back to a strategy game. thanks! now as soon as we can get back the strategy within the fight engine, so we can once again gameplan something other than "how much is HE going to counter so i can dip underneath it", it will be even greater than the greatest game that it already was. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Imo the new learning speeds would have been better had they been here from the start but as it looks like now it will really suck for just created guys hoping to ever catch up with the current beasts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Well, I tried to prepare a perfect schedule for my fighters and I thought I managed to do that. Now though after accepting a few new fights it's a total mess again since I need to prepare for them somehow. It means rescheduling the whole training regime completely (to both maintain & grow skills and prepare for the fights) which is a pain in the ass if you, like me, don't have too much spare time. The game is much deeper and more complex now, sure, but for me it's not the best news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 i set mine daily. never used to but it works out a lot better now. less changes to be made and since i log on daily to check pops, messages, allipage and forums, it's really not that big of a deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Ok I am confused, as most of my fighters are newer fighters, or FA's that aren't necessarily "beasts", I have a LOT of grey bars on my skills screen and therefore don't have to worry as much about maintenance. However, I just picked up a guy off FA who is a BJJ red belt. He has sensational submission and elite defensive grappling, yet, both of those are grey bars... And, ALL my secondary skils are grey bars... I would have thought with such elite skills in a certain area, I would have to train to maintain them, but apparently not? For reference, the fighter is here: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=2711 His percentages from the skill maintenance page are as follows: Physicals 73 % Primaries 64.4 % Secondaries 51.6 % Can anyone tell me why this is? I'm not complaining as I suppose it's good news for me, I'm just wondering what the barometer is which determines when I would have to start maintaining those elite level secondaries ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Ok I am confused, as most of my fighters are newer fighters, or FA's that aren't necessarily "beasts", I have a LOT of grey bars on my skills screen and therefore don't have to worry as much about maintenance. However, I just picked up a guy off FA who is a BJJ red belt. He has sensational submission and elite defensive grappling, yet, both of those are grey bars... And, ALL my secondary skils are grey bars... I would have thought with such elite skills in a certain area, I would have to train to maintain them, but apparently not? For reference, the fighter is here: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=2711 His percentages from the skill maintenance page are as follows: Physicals 73 % Primaries 64.4 % Secondaries 51.6 % Can anyone tell me why this is? I'm not complaining as I suppose it's good news for me, I'm just wondering what the barometer is which determines when I would have to start maintaining those elite level secondaries ... His percentages from the skill maintenance page are as follows: Physicals 73 % Primaries 64.4 % Secondaries 51.6 % I think thats why. The closer you get from the cap, the more you would need to maintain. Since your total secondary percent is low, you dont have to worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 When you are single skill focussed like this BJJ specialist, you don't really have to do maintenance at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyster89 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Ok I am confused, as most of my fighters are newer fighters, or FA's that aren't necessarily "beasts", I have a LOT of grey bars on my skills screen and therefore don't have to worry as much about maintenance. However, I just picked up a guy off FA who is a BJJ red belt. He has sensational submission and elite defensive grappling, yet, both of those are grey bars... And, ALL my secondary skils are grey bars... I would have thought with such elite skills in a certain area, I would have to train to maintain them, but apparently not? For reference, the fighter is here: http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=2711 His percentages from the skill maintenance page are as follows: Physicals 73 % Primaries 64.4 % Secondaries 51.6 % Can anyone tell me why this is? I'm not complaining as I suppose it's good news for me, I'm just wondering what the barometer is which determines when I would have to start maintaining those elite level secondaries ... I have fighters who are similar to what you described, and others who are virtually all green bars at nearly equal skills to the afore mentioned fighters. As far as I can tell, there are a few things that impact the "grey bar" availability. fighter's age the aptitudes we set the primary/secondary relationship the fighter's natural hiddens I may be wrong, but that is what I am going with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I just picked up a free agent today. His triggers have been reset as expected, but he declined in his Boxing Primary on the 16th July (When he was sitting on the free agent list). I can't remember what the deal was with free agent declines so just wanted to check whether or not it's an error and if he should have decreased or not? If he was meant to decrease that's cool, just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 they still decline during free agency -- but reset once you pick them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 So here's my thing. I see that having natural aptitude of all 7 points in BJJ, allows you to have very high BJJ + relevant secondaries without maintenance. However, it does not seem like having that high BJJ natural aptitude relieves you fighter of the opposing skill pressure put on MT and Boxing. Am I right? I'm kinda thinking it should, as there otherwise is huge pressure on MT + boxing for a ground specialist fighter. Of course it works other way arounds too, for standup fighters. BTW: I vote for a one more chance on resetting of aptitudes =) /Kamp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I took a free agent http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=88852 And between the time i saw it in the free agency and the time i get it (about 4days ) , He lost about 15 points in primary and 15 points beetween secondary/physicals (maybe more ) that's a lot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted July 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I took a free agent http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=88852 And between the time i saw it in the free agency and the time i get it (about 4days ) , He lost about 15 points in primary and 15 points beetween secondary/physicals (maybe more ) that's a lot . That must have been a while ago because in 4 days now the most you can lose in primaries is 4 points total (1 point in each). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-17 BJJ Wonderful Remarkable 16 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-17 Conditioning Exceptional Wonderful 1 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-15 Balance Sensational Exceptional 34 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-14 Wrestling Exceptional Wonderful 22 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-12 Boxing Elite Sensational 6 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-11 Flexibility Remarkable Superb 1 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-08 Conditioning Sensational Exceptional 38 Negative Yeah it was about one week ago, i just see the news where it changed , FUUUU What a bad timing :( ,he lost 5 months of training ,i hope he's fast learner . An other subject i wonder if sparring with 2 fighters or 4 fighters are worthy ?? One of my fighter seems training very slowly with sparring is it the new changes or is it my fighter fast learner hidden who droped ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 An other subject i wonder if sparring with 2 fighters or 4 fighters are worthy ?? One of my fighter seems training very slowly with sparring is it the new changes or is it my fighter fast learner hidden who droped ?? from the wiki: Sparring one on one with an elite fighter is great but it’s not as good as sparring with 4 elite fighters. We’ve introduced a sparring group size factor so that sparring in groups of less than 5 total (including your own fighter), is less effective. Sparring with just 1 other fighter of the same skill will be 12% less effective than sparring with 4 other fighters of the same skill. Example. Training with one 145/150 skill fighter, will now be the same as sparring with 4 128/150 fighters. So maybe thats ur problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-17 BJJ Wonderful Remarkable 16 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-17 Conditioning Exceptional Wonderful 1 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-15 Balance Sensational Exceptional 34 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-14 Wrestling Exceptional Wonderful 22 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-12 Boxing Elite Sensational 6 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-11 Flexibility Remarkable Superb 1 Negative Demissie Selassie (22) 2011-07-08 Conditioning Sensational Exceptional 38 Negative Yeah it was about one week ago, i just see the news where it changed , FUUUU What a bad timing :( ,he lost 5 months of training ,i hope he's fast learner . An other subject i wonder if sparring with 2 fighters or 4 fighters are worthy ?? One of my fighter seems training very slowly with sparring is it the new changes or is it my fighter fast learner hidden who droped ?? Just because he dropped a level like sens-excep it doesn't mean he lost a lot of points, it could be 0.5 for all we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky67 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Just because he dropped a level like sens-excep it doesn't mean he lost a lot of points, it could be 0.5 for all we know. it could be but it's not the case i saw his primary with the free agent system and he lostat least 15 primary , some of his physicals get from exceptional to wonderful + , so it's at least 5 and it could be 15 . I think he lost about 60-80skills point in one week or more,i said 30 to be sure . Well what can i do ,now the system is fixed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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