Check this anti gun bullshit out.

[clydebankblitz]

I Ireland at one stage the junior prison had PS3s and I didn't. Seems like they had it easier.

[Timmy]

I can't say that I know how that feels, but it's just a strange feeling to know that child molesters, rapists, serial killers etc can just sit in their cells and watch television and study also. It looks as if the system works, but on the other hand, it' feels so odd. If someone in my family would have been victim of a crime, I wouldn't like to hear that the offender is able to watch the Simpsons , play videogames and study. I would hope that he would get a miserable time for the misery that he did to my family in that case.

 

It's a very interesting theme in my opinion, the prison system, but it's not easy to find a near perfect system. It's always like that when speaking about the law. Were does the line need to be drawn? That's the one million dollar question I guess .

 

Even when the official line is rehabilitation, child molesters and rapists are subject to the rules of "prison society" where they are the lowest of the low. No legislation can ever change that. I think everyone knows that other prisoners will break their arms anytime they are given the chance, and I am (I believe) reliably informed that prison officers do their best to make their life as bad as possible also, or at least do nothing to intervene. I think they must have the miserable time they deserve in any case.

As Mannetsen points out, most European countries have a system where an offender's release can be prevented by authorities if they feel the offender is likely to be any risk at all, so the most serious cases spend their whole lives inside. In cases where somone is deemed to be rehabilitated and released the punishment is not neccessarily over because they are often hunted down and exposed in their "new life" by the media.

The only thing that bothers me about the "rehabilitation method" is the amount of money it must cost. Great if you are getting a young burglar off drugs and into an honest job, but not so good when it means paying to feed and house a murderer forever.

Trouble is, the only other option I can see for the serious crimes is capital punishment (cheap at least) but I disagree with that in principle because of the risk of unjustly executing innocent people. I think it's a bit barbaric for a state to indulge in violent revenge anyway.

[Guest]

Money is disposable. Human dignity and a human life isn't.

[UniConor]

You can tell a quality of a country by the way it treats it's prisoners.

 

What do you think about America being the only country that condemns children to die in prison?

[fbwellman]

sadly that amendment is under fire just as the 2nd -- there really is no free speech anymore -- lots here want to do away with the constitution completely -- and 99% of those wanting to do that are immigrants from other countries -- honestly america is killing itself and has been since late 70's -- since the early to mid 80's with so much illegal immigration and america importing so many products, supporting other countries instead of buying america made products supporting itself -- all of this has turned america into a 3rd world country pretty much -- many will say it was the consumer's that did this but actually no it wasnt, it was pretty much forced cause of government

Wait wait wait. The U.S has turned into a 3rd world country? I wasn't aware of this and I live here hahaha

[fbwellman]

If you are going to blame Obama for everything that goes wrong with this country you also have to blame him for everything done right in this country during his tenure

[clydebankblitz]

The amendments are just some stupid 1800s bullshit or whatever. Go ask the founders of America what their opinions on school shootings or the Bloods and Crips is.

[bjornmma1]

Just BEING in prison sucks balls. It's horrible... I know that from my own experience.....

Tv or not, makes little difference... just makes it bearable i guess, to have access to one.

 

Where would you draw the line.... no TV?, no books? Isolation?

 

I haven't been there, so I cant know , but I would love to learn more about it. It's a very interesting topic I think .

 

It's very hard to draw a line somewhere and not having to requestion why you drew the line there. Not a single situation is the same, so it's hard to find a common rule that applies to everyone.

[Guest]

A lot of the guys I grew up with have spent time in the joint and mostly talk about the claustrophobic feeling of constantly being watched. If I asked them about which playstation they had they'd probably punch me.

[kenlow73]

The amendments are just some stupid 1800s bullshit or whatever. Go ask the founders of America what their opinions on school shootings or the Bloods and Crips is.

1800s? try 1700's

[Rambo]

Money is disposable. Human dignity and a human life isn't.

 

I don't know if I agree with that. If a dude touches a kid, rapes a girl, etc. they need to be put down like a rapid dog. Wasting resources. The world needs to take a more permanent stance with rapist and child pedophiles.

 

If there's a huge uproar about it, make "accidents" happen instead. Pedophiles get arrested, let's "send them to Alaska" and in reality we can just euthanize them and not tell nobody if their panties get that tied in a bunch over it.

 

The world's overpopulated with humans, we need to find ways to balance this or do the honorable thing and just remove ourselves from it completely.

[clydebankblitz]

1800s? try 1700's

 

That's why I said "whatever". It's outdated. Some people in America think the constitution and the Christian bible are all that should be followed, but both of them have teachings and beliefs that just don't apply to today's society.

[Timmy]

 

That's why I said "whatever". It's outdated. Some people in America think the constitution and the Christian bible are all that should be followed, but both of them have teachings and beliefs that just don't apply to today's society.

 

Yep. As soon as any writing becomes viewed as infallible it becomes useless dogma. No matter how wise it may have been when written, no document can withstand the passage of time and remain faultless.

 

The first problem for religionists and political radicals is that they don't usually have the will to modernise. The second problem is that even the most logical religionists who do review ideas (reformed jews for example) are forced to hold onto some crazy ideas because the religion would fall apart if it became too rational. I mean by that, for example, you can reform the terms of divorce or something no problem, but you can't declare that "the exodus" probably never happend because it would pull the rug out from under the whole fantasy. And that's reformed jews, there is next to no hope for christian or islamic fundamentalists.

 

Science doesn't have this problem because science ruthlessly re-evaluates itself all the time. If the Origin of Species is found to be innacurate, science will adapt. If only people would apply something like scientific method to politics and religion. I'd be a lot more inclined to praise the "sermon on the mount" or the "wisdom of soloman" if it didn't come packaged with a belief in talking donkeys and talking snakes.

 

Now full circle back to the topic... The US constitution has evolved to some degree. Slavery abolished etc. But still there are people who will deny all of the problems caused by gun proliferation because of a blind faith in "The Constitution". It is simply a pathological fear of change and refusal to make the effort to think about different ideas. And that's being kind, because utter selfishness and a total disregard for the lives of others is another possible explaination.

[clydebankblitz]

I thought your first line sounded sarcastic as fuck haha. But yeah. Like the bible for me is a guide for humans to live as good people, for that timeline. Now we don't burn beds and shower for 15 hours because a girl slept on it while on her period. Hell, back then she'd get blood all over it where as now they've got yucky alternatives and stuff. Times change and things evolve. The constitution didn't have a problem with the drug trade or gangs fighting over fashion senses. It wasn't as big a problem back then as it is now.

[Timmy]

I thought your first line sounded sarcastic as fuck haha. But yeah. Like the bible for me is a guide for humans to live as good people, for that timeline. Now we don't burn beds and shower for 15 hours because a girl slept on it while on her period. Hell, back then she'd get blood all over it where as now they've got yucky alternatives and stuff. Times change and things evolve. The constitution didn't have a problem with the drug trade or gangs fighting over fashion senses. It wasn't as big a problem back then as it is now.

 

With all due respect.. The bible is a guide for jews to live well with other jews. "Other people" are an after-thought at best. Religion gets it's power from creating a "them and us" situation and your example of cleanliness is a good one - We are clean, they are filthy - Them and Us.

[clydebankblitz]

 

With all due respect.. The bible is a guide for jews to live well with other jews. "Other people" are an after-thought at best. Religion gets it's power from creating a "them and us" situation and your example of cleanliness is a good one - We are clean, they are filthy - Them and Us.

 

Isn't the new testament unaccepted by most Jews?

 

Regardless, it's always going to be a "them and us" situation. The American constitution is for the American people, the "us". The Jewish scripture is for Jews, the Christian scripture is for Christians.

[Guest]

I don't know if I agree with that. If a dude touches a kid, rapes a girl, etc. they need to be put down like a rapid dog. Wasting resources. The world needs to take a more permanent stance with rapist and child pedophiles.

 

If there's a huge uproar about it, make "accidents" happen instead. Pedophiles get arrested, let's "send them to Alaska" and in reality we can just euthanize them and not tell nobody if their panties get that tied in a bunch over it.

 

The world's overpopulated with humans, we need to find ways to balance this or do the honorable thing and just remove ourselves from it completely.

yeah giving the state the power to "remove" elements it finds problematic is a great idea and not at all a slippery slope towards an orwellian dystopia

 

I also find your view on humans and human life to be very sad and lacking of nuance.

[kenlow73]

So, the Bible's outdated? How about The Book of Revelation?

[Guest]

How about it... ?

 

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[Guest]

The Book of Revelation is relevant in the sense that the rambling junkie at the bus stop says a lot of the same things.

[clydebankblitz]

Of course the bible is outdated. Society has evolved beyond at lot of it's points. You can still follow the overall code of the bible and be a great person because of it, but a lot of the "rules" don't apply in 2015.

[bjornmma1]

 

I don't know if I agree with that. If a dude touches a kid, rapes a girl, etc. they need to be put down like a rapid dog. Wasting resources. The world needs to take a more permanent stance with rapist and child pedophiles.

 

If there's a huge uproar about it, make "accidents" happen instead. Pedophiles get arrested, let's "send them to Alaska" and in reality we can just euthanize them and not tell nobody if their panties get that tied in a bunch over it.

 

The world's overpopulated with humans, we need to find ways to balance this or do the honorable thing and just remove ourselves from it completely.

 

 

That's a very strong opinion. I have a strong disliking for rapist, pedophiles ,... etc as well and I think that there punishment should be severe and far harder than it is in some countries, but the statistics seem to point in the other direction. Trying to get them ready to function in the society again (with strict control) has proven to be a better way to deal with it. I do admit that if it would be someone of my family or a friend that was the victim, that I would want the offender to be punished extremely hard as well, but the problem is that these offenders really have a sick mind and that it's an illness and that they need help from psychatrics. The easiest thing to do would be to just put them down as you said, but doesn't that turn is into killers as well then? The easiest way isn't always the best way. There needs to be a proactive system put in place.

[Kanis]

I will just leave this here:

 

 

 

According to a recent study by the Crime Prevention Research Center, the election of Barrack Obama may have played a significant part in reducing crime in the U.S. – but not in a way he is likely to brag about. In short, the election of Obama, a very vocal advocate of “gun control, has persuaded more and more Americans that they should keep and bear arms themselves. And that has, in turn, led to significantly lower crime rates.

Each year from 1999 to 2007, a little under a quarter of a million new permits were issued to Americans, allowing them to legally carry concealed firearms. In the four years after that, during Obama’s first term, the rate of new permits being issued more than tripled, and has continued to grow since then. In 2007, about 4.6 million Americans already had concealed-carry permits. Now that number is over 12.8 million, with more new permits being issued to women and minorities than to white males.

That’s a lot of average citizens carrying guns, and these numbers don’t even include those who live in the eight states where one can legally carry a concealed firearm without a permit.

Meanwhile, gun sales have continued to rise since Obama took office. Around 14 million guns were purchased in the U.S. between 2008 and 2011 and over 20 million were purchased between 2012 and 2013 – around five million of those being sold to first-time gun buyers.

So what has been the effect on crime? Advocates of gun control have long insisted that arming average citizens would lead to bloody mayhem and chaos in the streets. However, while the number of Americans carrying firearms has soared, murder rates have fallen by a full 25%, from 5.6 down to 4.2 per 100,000 people, according to the Crime Prevention Research Center study.

As Larry Keene, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, says,

“It puts the lie to the myth promulgated by anti-gun individuals that somehow more law-abiding citizens carrying guns will lead to more crime.”

But some advocates of public disarmament remain clinging to their illogical assertion that more legally-obtained guns mean more violent gun crime. The Violence Policy Center still insists that average citizens with guns “are a threat to public safety,” and that “all too often, private citizens use their concealed handguns to take lives, not to save them.” To support that claim, they point to a total of 561 incidents in which permit holders shot and killed a total of 743 people.

How many of those were justified acts of self-defense? The Center was not specific (shocker), but said that a “tiny fraction of these cases [were] ever ruled to be in self-defense.”

Of course, advocates of gun control such as Obama and the Violence Policy Center never advocate that agents of government be disarmed. However, maybe they should due to the fact that the recent study also shows that average citizens who possess carry permits commit crime at a far lower rate than police officers do.

According to Edward Stringham, although official statistics have historically been scant, we now know that police killed 1,100 Americans in 2014 and 476 Americans in the first five months of 2015. Given that America has roughly 765,000 sworn police officers, that means the police-against-citizen kill rate is more than 145 per 100,000.

That means that police kill more than 30 times that of the average citizen.

In Florida and Texas, for example, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies one-sixth as often as police are, despite how rarely violent police actually get prosecuted for the crimes they commit.



In the battle of ideas, the gun-grabbers are losing. Badly. In a Gallup poll in 2000, 35% of those polled thought that owning a gun made their home safer. By 2014, 63% thought so. And a Pew Research poll in 2014 confirmed that a majority of Americans believe that preserving the right of people to own guns is more important than the government trying to control gun ownership.

“The public increasingly understands that gun control is a failed social experiment, and it doesn’t work,” explains Larry Keene. “All gun control ever does is infringe upon the rights of the law-abiding citizens and does nothing to stop criminals from illegally acquiring firearms, and it doesn’t stop them from misusing them in crime.”

Ironically, what seems to increase gun sales the fastest is politicians calling for “gun control.” Furthermore, when police prove daily that they not only choose not to protect the people but actually pose a threat to the people, it’s no wonder more and more Americans are making it their personal responsibility to defend themselves, their families and their fellow citizens. As that mindset continues to spread, violent crime will continue to decrease.

In the meantime, however, we’ll just sit by and watch while attempts to strip citizens of their means of protection blows up directly in the faces of the politicians trying to make that happen.

[GBK16]

I stopped reading after the first paragraph when I read

 

 

In short, the election of Obama, a very vocal advocate of “gun control, has persuaded more and more Americans that they should keep and bear arms themselves. And that has, in turn, led to significantly lower crime rates.

 

Again, this is basically like all of your other statistics where they take one random fact and say it is the defining cause of lower crime rates, when it doesn't look at the major issue which is "Firearm-Related Incidents", and I can hazard a guess that it doesn't look at economical factors or anything else apart from "People bought more guns, overall crime rates have decreased".

[Kanis]

 

I hope you mistake your child for an armed burglar.

You are a foul human, a real piece of work, Dude. And I cant understand why a forum so overflowing with better morals, will let shit like this flow without comment. But I will get neg'd for posting the latest statistics. Whatever, I am out, I feel dirty in here all of the sudden.