Guest Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Not true Cain did it in Round 1 in their second fight lol. After that TD everything changed. As a TD spammer who gets tired in rl see Jake Shields lol Difference is he spends a lot of time by the cage working for the TD not constant shooting TD's. It's true. Cain is not real, he is fighter from PlayStation. Fighter who is able to destroy him, like he destroyed JDS hasn't been born yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listerman Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Nice post Do you agree with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw509MgKzns I agree with this, it's a BJJ black belt against a white belt, and it's not 18 sub attempt The fight I'm talking about, my guy was brown belt, and he was either purple or brown too, too close together to get a sub win off his back while exhausted. That's my point of view anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Feel free to bump this in a couple of weeks - very busy at the moment so I don't have any time to work on the fight engine right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPenn Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 From my experience, the engine is actually still slightly biased towards strikers (e.g., I don't think the top 10 has been majority submission artists at any point since I've played this game), and countering takedown spammers hasn't been that difficult. You already have the option to counter-strike, and as far as I know, takedown attempts currently gas your fighter, and takedowns are harder to succeed with when you're gassed. In the UFC, you also see a lot more fighters, even at the higest level, get wall-and-stalled than get KO's from takedown counters. If anything, I'd argue that failed takedowns should end up in the clinch more often. Right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Consensus seems to be that everyone wants failed TDs to end up in more clinches, id like this and it would be neat to see how drastic everyones sliders will change as a result 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 "Lucky" Liam O'Connor will love it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 "Lucky" Liam O'Connor will love it... Hopefully he will have retired by then after his manifold defeats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=614192 8 failed takedowns in 2 minutes, 30% energy lost. No sign of slowing, and no sign of the other fighter being able to adapt to this obvious strategy. Hopefully this is fixed soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Consensus seems to be that everyone wants failed TDs to end up in more clinches, id like this and it would be neat to see how drastic everyones sliders will change as a result This is what I'd like to see, I know they can happen in the game already but I'd estimate that more than half of failed takedown attempts end up in a clinch position, often up against the cage. It's not easy to stuff a takedown and break a hold of the opponent all in the same motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thb Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Nice post Do you agree with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw509MgKzns nice one and as always anything can happen in MMA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentor Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 i would add more transition to clinch, however this would not favor the takedown guy at all. Most of them totally neglect clinch (they usually are Elite Wrestlers + BJJ with Basic boxing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 My experience is that they usually have 12 clinch as well, to avoid being walled and stalled the whole fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveBarrera Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Dude, you sure do like to type... don't feel like reading all of that. Hahaha Why do you think he like to type? hahaha Well out of jokes i think a takedown spammer gets the punishtment in his own fault because the fighter will be gassed very early in the fight if his foe have good takedown defense not to mention he will be predictable and open for counters so i think there is no need for modifications to the game engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I just knocked out a guy who tried 27 takedown attempts in 4 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPancake Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I just knocked out a guy who tried 27 takedown attempts in 4 minutes. So he was running after you until you turned around and knocked him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 3 attempts ended up in a clinch where I battered him around, but it was the 1 non clinch hit that did him in, so yeah I guess so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPancake Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I would like to see such a fight in real life It must look funny if one guy is shooting all the time for five minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBR Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I would like to see such a fight in real life It must look funny if one guy is shooting all the time for five minutes watch any ben asken or joe warren fight -- although they usually land them thats all they do -- im sure plenty of others just not at top level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I would like to see such a fight in real life It must look funny if one guy is shooting all the time for five minutes I may be remembering it incorrectly, but didn't Nik Lentz do this against Andre Winner (albeit against the cage)? I remember that fight being something like 14 minutes of takedown attempts. Also, I think Diego Sanchez went something like 0-27 on takedown attempts against BJ Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveBarrera Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I just knocked out a guy who tried 27 takedown attempts in 4 minutes. This is what i mean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 But it didn't work and he got KTFO. To make it more complicated, a stronger relationship between predictability of non-stop shooting and nothing else, along with % of SHIG and/or counter could increase likelihood of future takedown failures and successful counter beatdowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Knee face FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 It links in with the other idea of standing submissions, but as well as the possibility of having knees to counter takedown attempts, we should be able to counter takedowns with guillotines. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 It links in with the other idea of standing submissions, but as well as the possibility of having knees to counter takedown attempts, we should be able to counter takedowns with guillotines. Yes! but we mustbe careful not to destroy takedowns completely,just end spamming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Interesting reading. One idea that springs to mind. Make the rate of rate of takedowns attempted diminish as energy levels decrease. So someone may attempt 10 TD's in the first minute, but would only be able to attempt 6 in the second. I feel like this would quite accurately represent something we see quite commonly in real life, where fighters come out initially with a wrestling heavy game, but after a round of desperately working for TD's they can only find the energy for a couple of lazy shots by the second. I think that this could encourage more people to set their game plans to be more realistic with their percentage of TD attempts. Which again, would bring the game more in line with reality. I mean, even Ben Askren throws a higher percentage of strikes than a lot of the pure wrestlers on this game and he's one of the more extreme examples available in real life. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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