Guest Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 how would you create a rampage jackson? With 150 points in mental after loss and in ducking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 This should also include Clinchwork and Knees. Otherwise, you do not have an Anderson Silva. I addressed the issue of clinchwork at the top. Knees, I will add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis84 Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Think I am going to have to flip the way I create people and go with the no strength/conditioning way for once. Normally I create them with high those two and low others then try and work speed etc up which after reading this does actually sound the worse of the two options logically! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 my guys will pop in cardio and strength (with a ggod stam supp) every 2 sessions until they get to a certain level and then it's more like 4 sessions. cardio and strength are not "learned" skills so they pop regardless of how smart they are. circuits take awhile to pop so it's best to get them up (in ur area of expertise) rite off the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 my guys will pop in cardio and strength (with a ggod stam supp) every 2 sessions until they get to a certain level and then it's more like 4 sessions. cardio and strength are not "learned" skills so they pop regardless of how smart they are. circuits take awhile to pop so it's best to get them up (in ur area of expertise) rite off the bat. Does this mean my new guy is a fast learner as he popped every session in cardio until Superb? (using 156 stamina sup too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 how would you create a rampage jackson? Lots of boxing and wrestling. wonderful punches and striking defense. no muay thai at all lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfu Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Don't forget that BJJ is useless in this game, always make a white belt. I think their success rate speaks for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Does this mean my new guy is a fast learner as he popped every session in cardio until Superb? (using 156 stamina sup too) not really. cardio isn't a learned skill (at least in real life). it's just sumthin u train and it gets better. i think it was tapeleg that said he trained multiple guys in cardio and they always popped at the same time. my guys all pop at the same time but at different levels since i didn't make them all at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 how would you create a rampage jackson? Rampage would be like a Chuck Liddell. If slams are your goal, I would suggest very high strength (remarkable), good takedowns (at least strong), and a solid clinchwork base (respectable at minimum). In reality, Rampage's clinchwork is awful but if you want slam KOs, that is probably the best way to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Rampage would be like a Chuck Liddell. If slams are your goal, I would suggest very high strength (remarkable), good takedowns (at least strong), and a solid clinchwork base (respectable at minimum). In reality, Rampage's clinchwork is awful but if you want slam KOs, that is probably the best way to do so. so there ARE slams on this game? just curious cuz i've never seen one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=38762 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j666 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 TKO(Slam)....SWEEEET! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 They are rare but I have had at least 2 in my org that I can think of. 2 in ~20 cards isn't a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Great stuff, Mike. I definitely made a LOT of mistakes when I made up my guys back in April. I realize many of the mistakes, but it's hard to cut them loose. I'm trying to see if I can salvage them with lots of training and only infrequent fighting. Interesting food for thought, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 They are rare but I have had at least 2 in my org that I can think of. 2 in ~20 cards isn't a lot. My nab wrestler has 2 http://www.mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=1423 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrQuest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 watcha you all consider good rating? 50? 60? 70? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 watcha you all consider good rating? 50? 60? 70? Good question. I'll use a Chuck Liddell as an example as I have 5 of them. When I build a Liddell, I will put ~70 into boxing, ~65 into wrestling, and the rest in BJJ. Don't be afraid to give a fighter 1 point in a stat you aren't going to use, like muay thai. Punches will be around 90 to 100, takedown defense and defensive grappling will be around 80-90. Striking defense will be about 70ish, clinchwork will be in 50s. The rest will be low (1-10). I may put some points into gnp or something if the mood suits me. But like I said, don't be afraid to put like 1 point in something like elbows, kicks, or knees because those points can be better served in other areas you will use. I would say 60-70 is "good." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonkey Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Most of my fighters end up being 'Bispings.' And they seem to do fairly well. It can work. (Most of my 'Bispings' are skilled in wrestling - highest, and a striking skill and BJJ - although some have all 4 primary skills built up) But if you are going to go this way, you need good wrestling, with good takedown offence and defence. That way you can exploit your opponents weaknesses (and those created Mike's way always have acute weaknesses in some areas). In fact, the only fighter I created to be a totally balanced fighter from the begining is getting near to holding a belt in Mike's org Also a note: Mike Tycoon has mentioned that for offence, boxing OR MT is better than a little of both [i would have made my original fighters differently had I known that], but you use the skill you're being attacked with for defence (eg MT vs a kick - along with striking defence, which is universal, of course). So having 1 point in something makes you vulnerable. You might want to start with 1 point, but get up to at least abysmal later, in my opinion. And I have a slam TKO too http://mmatycoon.com/fightcommentary.php?FTID=24845 2 examples of my balanced fighters: http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=4645 http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=3721 and the more 3-skilled type: http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=3714 http://mmatycoon.com/fighterprofilemanager.php?FID=4210 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 not really. cardio isn't a learned skill (at least in real life). it's just sumthin u train and it gets better. i think it was tapeleg that said he trained multiple guys in cardio and they always popped at the same time. my guys all pop at the same time but at different levels since i didn't make them all at the same time.Yeah, that was me, and it's true. Learning speed and popping cardio are independent of each other. I suspect that the same applies to strength and other physical attributes, but haven't had the opportunity to test it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 My first 2 guys are just totally fucked up, I didn't know anything about anything while making them. Still they are 7-1 and 7-2. My most recent guys are remarkable/wonderful at something, usually BJJ / Wrestling and then I just build up another skills, while leaving those secondary skills that I dont want/need to 1. Example of BJJ guy with good boxing(Well needs some training, but its worth it): BJJ: 99 Wrestling: 49 Boxing: 1----->60-80(First thing to train) Muay Thai: 1---->30(Second thing to train) Punches:99 Kicks:1 Elbows:1 Knees:1 Clinchwork:29 Striking Defense:99 Ground n Pound:1 Takedown Off:39 Takedown Def:1 Submissions:69 Defensive Grap:89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 My first 2 guys are just totally fucked up, I didn't know anything about anything while making them. Still they are 7-1 and 7-2. My most recent guys are remarkable/wonderful at something, usually BJJ / Wrestling and then I just build up another skills, while leaving those secondary skills that I dont want/need to 1. Example of BJJ guy with good boxing(Well needs some training, but its worth it): BJJ: 99 Wrestling: 49 Boxing: 1----->60-80(First thing to train) Muay Thai: 1---->30(Second thing to train) Punches:99 Kicks:1 Elbows:1 Knees:1 Clinchwork:29 Striking Defense:99 Ground n Pound:1 Takedown Off:39 Takedown Def:1 Submissions:69 Defensive Grap:89 This guy has serious potential but he needs a lot of work. If he were my fighter, I would do a lot of boxing and wrestling sparring as well as takedowns. I would avoid having him fight for at least a month and a half. I don't think he has the wrestling to take down a good fighter. If you could get his boxing to the respectable/proficient range, he would be a good BJ Penn. But I would turn him into a Maia then work his boxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 This is all pretty interesting and a nice post. Pretty sure the first few guys I put together were all to spread out and not specialized. Now that I know how things work and what to do, this will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Bitter Betty speaking "why give the noobs, the keys to success? Shouldn't they have to learn by trial and error like the rest of us have?" No disrespect- I'm just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 I am slowly starting my new crop of guys after my first batch are all in the bisping range for the most part. Currently my builds are something like this: BJJ: 40 Wrestling: 30 Boxing/Muay Thai: 80 Punches/Kicks: 80 Elbows:1 Knees:1 Clinchwork:20 Striking Defense:80 Ground n Pound:1 Takedown Off:10 Takedown Def:80 Submissions:30 Defensive Grap:80 Somewhere along those lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUMike Posted September 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 ViolentAmbitions - I guess its just because I am a nice guy. You are still on my shit list btw MMAStation - 30 points in wrestling isn't enough to stop the TDs even with 80 in TDD. Trust me on that one. You need to get in the 60 range before your guy will consistenly be able to stuff them over and over against decent wrestlers. I had a respectable wrestler with strong takedown defense get taken down by a feeble wrestler not too long ago. He got back up and beat the holy hell out of the guy shortly there after, but if the guy was decent on the ground, it would have been game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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