EzekelRAGE Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I must say, feels good to have a stable full of 20 year olds who are ready to be molded like clay Waywyd maybe just send them to KT orgs? Maybe the high lvl subs + bjj + def g > def g + bjj (or w/e the formula is for trans)for trans would be the equivalent of a true bjj specialist(knows every faucet of the ground) and a guy who got a rushed black belt in the real world idk, just guessing. How would you be a god at transitioning if you didnt even know if you tried to move this way while on bottom/top, you would open yourself up to a sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortfuse122829 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Yea agreed JLP, I have fighters with 136 in wrestling, 127 in BJJ and 151 in d grapple and bc I only kept enough subs to defend (strong ++) my max transitions is wonderful +? I'm sorry that's BS and any fighter who had high subs will trounce guys who are too old to train them. I mean it'll take me 60-75 sessions which I guess is bearable but ow for upcoming fights. Who knew submissions would decide the future of tycoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Almost all my guys are in contracts already... most are in long term contracts. (ie on the bottom of four or five fight deals) Going the KT route might not really be feasible either. They have been MMA fighters for so long that they have "wasted" years of training on other skills that the KT guys have not. While neglecting skills that KT fighters would have been focused on. It took a lot of training time to bring DG, and TDD up to Sensational. That time should have been spend focusing on MT and Boxing Sparring (I actually have been doing a lot of that, but would have been doing much more if I was in a KT org), Kicks, Punches, SD, Knees, Elbows, and Clinchwork are all WAY more important in KT orgs than MMA ones... SO since many non MT guys ignore or only have minimal levels of Elbows and Knees then that means that those will be deficient in a KT org. While the fighters might fare better in KT orgs they will still be outmatched more than likely due to the more focused training those fighters had. Also the initial build points were not distributed to ANY ground skills for a fighter made for a KT org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Almost all my guys are in contracts already... most are in long term contracts. (ie on the bottom of four or five fight deals) Going the KT route might not really be feasible either. They have been MMA fighters for so long that they have "wasted" years of training on other skills that the KT guys have not. While neglecting skills that KT fighters would have been focused on. It took a lot of training time to bring DG, and TDD up to Sensational. That time should have been spend focusing on MT and Boxing Sparring (I actually have been doing a lot of that, but would have been doing much more if I was in a KT org), Kicks, Punches, SD, Knees, Elbows, and Clinchwork are all WAY more important in KT orgs than MMA ones... SO since many non MT guys ignore or only have minimal levels of Elbows and Knees then that means that those will be deficient in a KT org. While the fighters might fare better in KT orgs they will still be outmatched more than likely due to the more focused training those fighters had. Also the initial build points were not distributed to ANY ground skills for a fighter made for a KT org. True i guess, but if you had stand up guys who were pure strikers with like sens level could probably do well. Even though they had more focused training, there's still only so much they can raise it to, 140-145 striking compared to 130 or so wouldnt be too bad I imagine. Contracts are another problem though. =============================== I imagine org owners are gonna get frustrated as hell after this. Declined fights and cherry picking gonna be on the rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I cannot possibly see any of my fighters taking fights for about 6 MONTHS of real time to get this sorted... Org owners are going to be pissed... I might have to close my org over it... I have too many people declining fights now after this... no way.... I'll be bankrupt in no time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Also the difference between 130 and 145 is HUGE. Not insurmountable, but it is significant... This sucks... I LOVE THIS GAME!!!! But this... I may just quit. I just don't know what I am going to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyM5 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Also the difference between 130 and 145 is HUGE. Not insurmountable, but it is significant... This sucks... I LOVE THIS GAME!!!! But this... I may just quit. I just don't know what I am going to do Don't quit Warwynd. I know it's frustrating but just sleep on it before you make any decisions. You also have a couple weeks to reallocate and figure out what you want to do. It's a setback but in the long run I believe this change is for the better. Just remember that everyone else is having the same problem you are right now. My tip would be to train up your knees/elbows/takedowns or whatever other skill you don't really need for your striker in the next 2 weeks and then reallocate. It'll help a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Like JLP said, Submissions have become so important now that guys like mine that never trained them beyond what they picked up from sparring are fucked... They cannot get the new Goddamned skills high enough to matter... I just looked at my one striker again his fucking Subs are so low that his Transition cap is like 71.5 WOW.... I can get all the way up to Proficient!?! That is so much better than Sensational Defensive Grappling... it will only take me about two game years to get ready to get into the cage again. YAY!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Don't quit Warwynd. I know it's frustrating but just sleep on it before you make any decisions. You also have a couple weeks to reallocate and figure out what you want to do. It's a setback but in the long run I believe this change is for the better. Just remember that everyone else is having the same problem you are right now. My tip would be to train up your knees/elbows/takedowns or whatever other skill you don't really need for your striker in the next 2 weeks and then reallocate. It'll help a little bit. He's 31 years old. How fast do you think his learning speed is? That is to say nothing of the fact that he may be declining now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMATycoon Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Having subs involved was something that was decided upon very quickly in the middle of the mad rush of all these 5 or so big updates having to come out all at once. It's not undoable if it's universally viewed as a bad thing. I'm off to bed but we'll talk about it tomorrow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I cannot possibly see any of my fighters taking fights for about 6 MONTHS of real time to get this sorted... Org owners are going to be pissed... I might have to close my org over it... I have too many people declining fights now after this... no way.... I'll be bankrupt in no time... Maybe sleep on it and chill. About Org- You seem to have your next 2 cards filled up and only 2 fights missing for the third card next month. Just hold up on booking an event for til like the first week of May. As an ID org with young fighters your roster to adapt more quickly than those with older vet fighters. Been like 2 years since I ran an org. Can't remember if you can have events booked w/o it showing up on the front page of your org, if so my bad. Do you have some invisible events or something where they declining like crazy? Edit: See chill, maybe mike will rework the formula for transitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Things not changing for strikers... 1. Still have the striking advantage over grapplers. Still probably going to be knocking fighters out plenty. 2. Still have takedown defense and fight strategy to keep it on the feet. 3. Still have defensive grappling and the sliders to get the ref to stand it back up (which they love to do on MMATycoon) Personally think it's an overreaction but then again I don't have older fighters either. Even in my short time here it's been obvious the advantage strikers have had though. I agree with others that hopefully it evens things out more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Maybe sleep on it and chill. About Org- You seem to have your next 2 cards filled up and only 2 fights missing for the third card next month. Just hold up on booking an event for til like the first week of May. As an ID org with young fighters your roster to adapt more quickly than those with older vet fighters. Been like 2 years since I ran an org. Can't remember if you can have events booked w/o it showing up on the front page of your org, if so my bad. Do you have some invisible events or something where they declining like crazy? Edit: See chill, maybe mike will rework the formula for transitions. No. The cards that I have booked are the only ones. Although, you can save an event without publishing it and I think that will make it not show up to the public. But many of the fights that you see now are the third or fourth attempts at getting both fighters to accept. Many people don't recognize fair fights when they see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Having subs involved was something that was decided upon very quickly in the middle of the mad rush of all these 5 or so big updates having to come out all at once. It's not undoable if it's universally viewed as a bad thing. I'm off to bed but we'll talk about it tomorrow. Good deal. I'm hoping you can re-do it so subs dont govern the skill cap of transitions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I think we as a collective group need to take a deep breath. Sorry for having farted right before I suggested that. As it has been pointed out this will eventually see a more balanced game between the strikers and grapplers, but it does seem that something has been factored in to the equation to give grapplers a bit more of a short term advantage. Looks like Mike will be looking into correcting that potential mistake tomorrow. So my advice would be to sleep on things and not make any changes to guys right now. Since, especially if he changes things, there will most likely be a roll back tomorrow. Also for all the people screaming that "the sky is falling" just keep in mind, as has already been mentioned as well, we are all in the same boat with these changes so it's not as though manager A is getting any benefit compared to manager B. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Things not changing for strikers... 1. Still have the striking advantage over grapplers. Still probably going to be knocking fighters out plenty. 2. Still have takedown defense and fight strategy to keep it on the feet. 3. Still have defensive grappling and the sliders to get the ref to stand it back up (which they love to do on MMATycoon) Personally think it's an overreaction but then again I don't have older fighters either. Even in my short time here it's been obvious the advantage strikers have had though. I agree with others that hopefully it evens things out more. You are not completely wrong, but there is more to it then that. With the new sliders it will make it way easier for grapplers to counter into a takedown. In order to get the two new skills up to decent numbers you have to take points out of high ranked skills, since everything was weighted instead of simple point re-allocation. Therefore you have to either gimp your striking or your TDD, DG or other Secondaries that you need to be high. As mentioned before, Your DG will probably have to be sacrificed to some extent in order to get these new skills up to even a remotely decent level (which is still Shite!) Older fighters are completely over the fucking barrel now. This is not overreaction.... this is fact. Especially so for those that have focused on keeping the fight standing and neutralizing the ground fighters rather then developing Subs since now that one skill has become the be all end all. I only trained subs for the fighters that I have already retired or am cutting for one reason or the other. It was a worthless skill for my strikers to have... Suddenly a complete reversal and I am fucked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 No. The cards that I have booked are the only ones. Although, you can save an event without publishing it and I think that will make it not show up to the public. But many of the fights that you see now are the third or fourth attempts at getting both fighters to accept. Many people don't recognize fair fights when they see them. You probably wanna pm your fighters and tell them whats up (If you wanna take a month for next event so they can trains skills etc, if you go that route). Looks like a pretty decent org with youngish fighters. ============================================================= Seems like a great time for someone to open up a specialized ground gym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I think we as a collective group need to take a deep breath. Sorry for having farted right before I suggested that. As it has been pointed out this will eventually see a more balanced game between the strikers and grapplers, but it does seem that something has been factored in to the equation to give grapplers a bit more of a short term advantage. Looks like Mike will be looking into correcting that potential mistake tomorrow. So my advice would be to sleep on things and not make any changes to guys right now. Since, especially if he changes things, there will most likely be a roll back tomorrow. Also for all the people screaming that "the sky is falling" just keep in mind, as has already been mentioned as well, we are all in the same boat with these changes so it's not as though manager A is getting any benefit compared to manager B. Unless manager A has wrestler fighters and actually trained subs up.... I am not one of those guys that screams "The sky is falling" but his one has done me in... I see now way for me to survive this without 5-6 months minimum training time... How many org owners are going to be wanting to hear that all the strikers on their roster are not going to fight for 2 game years....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 You probably wanna pm your fighters and tell them whats up (If you wanna take a month for next event so they can trains skills etc, if you go that route). Looks like a pretty decent org with youngish fighters. ============================================================= Seems like a great time for someone to open up a specialized ground gym. Thanks for the compliment. I also mentioned in another thread... or maybe earlier in this one. that older gyms will be fucked too because they won't have the points to hire the new coaches... well I just fired a CT coach and tried to hire a new coach for these skills and... yep you guessed it... cannot squeeze enough points out to get a decent coach without gutting the gym as is. P.S.: Before someone starts screaming multi... I am on staff at my Alliance mates alliance gym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzekelRAGE Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Thanks for the compliment. I also mentioned in another thread... or maybe earlier in this one. that older gyms will be fucked too because they won't have the points to hire the new coaches... well I just fired a CT coach and tried to hire a new coach for these skills and... yep you guessed it... cannot squeeze enough points out to get a decent coach without gutting the gym as is. P.S.: Before someone starts screaming multi... I am on staff at my Alliance mates alliance gym. Looks like you could get rid of like 3 or more coaches. Some of the coaches just have 1 guy in each session and that guy could just join another session with 2 guys or something. Like you could probably have Caleb split SD/Punches and delete Peter and have those guys go to Caleb. Either way you should hold off on firing coaches till you see what effects what (wrestling or bjj), unless your gonna get a double elite bjj/wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadillac Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Wow, this is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_Pidasol Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 My sens + wrestler, exc + BJJ and elite d grapple can get wonderful + lol. OH BOY, I give up lol. Good luck guys My elite wrestler, sensational BJJ - elite Def grap got to 13++ transitions.. I expect him to dominate now. I managed all of that with only 1 full depop on any skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Looks like you could get rid of like 3 or more coaches. Some of the coaches just have 1 guy in each session and that guy could just join another session with 2 guys or something. Like you could probably have Caleb split SD/Punches and delete Peter and have those guys go to Caleb. Either way you should hold off on firing coaches till you see what effects what (wrestling or bjj), unless your gonna get a double elite bjj/wrestling. Was planning on getting a 139/139 BJJ/Wrestling coach (it's far cheaper then a double elite and will become double elite in a week or two with the number of people that would be in his classes ). 2 on 1 training vs. 1 on 1. I know Mike keeps saying that it is not the big a difference but it is. The guy that trains one on one with Elite coaches will out skill a guy that train 2 on 1 with the same coach every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topologies Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 So, how are we going to know our fighter's potential? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwynd Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 My elite wrestler, sensational BJJ - elite Def grap got to 13++ transitions.. I expect him to dominate now. I managed all of that with only 1 full depop on any skills This is exactly what I am talking about. Nothing wrong with you reaping the benefit of your hard work... don't take this wrong, Stu. But those of us that haven't got the skill monsters you have especially if they are not in Submissions are screwed. Your guy is gonna be sick with nearly Sensational Transitions... congrats my friend... This is one more nail in the coffin for me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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